BMW 5-series Gran Turismo: Miserable Failure

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Automotive News is reporting that the BMW 5 Series GT has been having some unintended and rather unfortunate sales consequences for the German automaker. While the company originally believed that buyers of the old 5 Series Touring would be drawn to the oddball crossover, the truth is that those customers have fled to rival Mercedes-Benz for their wagon needs. Meanwhile, the 5 Series GT has stolen buyers from the more expensive 7 Series line. In Florida, for example, up to 10 percent of 7 Series owners have exchanged keys for the less-expensive GT, which isn't exactly great news for the Bavarians, either.

Of course, overall sales of the 5 Series GT have failed to trend as BMW projected. The company originally said that it intended to move between 4,000 and 8,000 of the models each year, but 2011 has seen only 720 deliveries in the first four months of the year. BMW sold 2,848 examples last year after admitting that they probably incorrectly judged the model mix early on.

While speaking with Automotive News, BMW North America CEO Jim O'Donnell said that he wishes that his company hadn't stopped selling the 5 Series wagon here in the States. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that the big fiver will return to the Land of the Free, at least not in this generation, but the issue will likely be revisited.

The good news is that the automaker may have learned its lesson. Despite the fact that a smaller 3 Series-based Gran Turismo model has been spotted testing (rumored to be called 4 Series), the 3 Series Touring apparently isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

So not only does it look like a pig, but it is one. Note to BMW: Wagon buyers are a different breed than the rest - that's why they buy wagons. That's also why they don't buy anything but wagons. And when the wagons are gone, they will find them elsewhere.

And they went and figured they could give this car the same rear-seat room, even more head room, and similar cargo space as the massive 7 series, while being entire budgets cheaper and also more efficient, without compromising their halo behemoth's sales. Pah! BMW, you never fail to make me laugh in your face.

I called it when I first saw the concept, but nobody listened to me.
 
A guy at the end of my street has one of these ^^ (also has a very new non-touring 5 series sedan), and a guy on the street adjacent to me has an older 5 series wagon. I'd take the older one every time.

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The new one is friggin awful in person. I actually quite like the 2003 in the image above.
 
I think it's about time to bring the Touring models back into the US. There's obviously a large market for it if BMW owners are leaving for Mercedes, who must agree if even they have decided that it's time for an AMG Wagon to return here.

As for the 5GT, it's not a terrible car. Typical BMW stuff, decent driver, little features, etc. But, it doesn't nail the idea of wagon in a new skin. I think it was a bit of a pointless model to introduce & now there's a 3-Series version in the works, which hopefully, doesn't start stealing the 5-Series owners.
 
See, the thing is, I like the 5GT. Its a good looking car, I hear it drives quite well, and is able to handle a lot of work. But, its priced all wrong, and no one really knows that the car exists. BMW should have just given us the wagon, but I can see where they were going with this car. It is an interesting concept... And that's about it.
 
See, the thing is, I like the 5GT. Its a good looking car, I hear it drives quite well, and is able to handle a lot of work. But, its priced all wrong, and no one really knows that the car exists. BMW should have just given us the wagon, but I can see where they were going with this car. It is an interesting concept... And that's about it.

Have you seen it in person?
 
I'm with Yssman on the GT... I've seen a few on the road and as long as they are on big wheels in a decent colour, I think they look quite decent... quite a lot of presence!
 
I could rant on for days in defence of the 5GT.. but the really crucial thing to remember is that to call this car a failure?.. while it may not have reached target... but it STILL sells better than the 5-er wagon in the states... BMW's logic on this one was sound, Wagon's have a bad image in the US, so develop something with key characteristics to replace it, and what they made was a good car... but it is quite ugly, and that I think is the biggest reason it hasn't sold well.
 
See, the thing is, I like the 5GT. Its a good looking car, I hear it drives quite well, and is able to handle a lot of work. But, its priced all wrong, and no one really knows that the car exists. BMW should have just given us the wagon, but I can see where they were going with this car. It is an interesting concept... And that's about it.

I'm with Yssman on the GT... I've seen a few on the road and as long as they are on big wheels in a decent colour, I think they look quite decent... quite a lot of presence!

:yuck:

A great steaming pile of horse manure in the middle of the road has 'quite a lot of presence' too. ;)

I personally think they look ugly and are horrifically proportioned just like many other modern BMW's. They've taken niche marketing too far now and obviously believe that they can stick a BMW roundel on anything and it will sell like hot cakes. Hopefully they'll rein things in a bit now.

I could rant on for days in defence of the 5GT.. but the really crucial thing to remember is that to call this car a failure?.. while it may not have reached target... but it STILL sells better than the 5-er wagon in the states... BMW's logic on this one was sound, Wagon's have a bad image in the US, so develop something with key characteristics to replace it, and what they made was a good car... but it is quite ugly, and that I think is the biggest reason it hasn't sold well.

Only because they don't sell a 5-series estate/wagon in the US.
 
Only because they don't sell a 5-series estate/wagon in the US.

Allow me to rephrase.. the 5GT has sold considerably better than the E61 5 Tourer did at the point at which it was dropped. YTD figures for Jun 2009 were less than 400 units.... this was the point when BMW disclosed there would probably be no touring version for ths US (of the F11)

I could understand Americans being frustrated about loosing a popular model in favour of an ugly one, but the tourer was a dog sales wise... and now everyones up in arms that they've replaced it... Americans are way too stuck in their ways when it comes to cars, but they seem to complain the loudest when they never get any of the good stuff... Now their complaining because they get no tourer? Well maybe if more than 1000 people a year were buying them they would!.. the BEST year BMW had of 5 Touring sales in the US was 2351 units.. so that is still LESS than the 5GT which is considered a 'pointless', 'treasonous' niche product.
 
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I'm in the "ugly" camp. Just calling this a "Gran Turismo" devalues the type, which brings up images of sexy 2-seat and 2+2 hardtops...not the lovechild of a 5er and an X6, which in and of itsself is half X5, Half Eagle SX-4.

The result is an enormous BMW Gremlin.
 
They don't?

Whyever not?

Again...

Allow me to rephrase.. the 5GT has sold considerably better than the E61 5 Tourer did at the point at which it was dropped. YTD figures for Jun 2009 were less than 400 units.... this was the point when BMW disclosed there would probably be no touring version for ths US (of the F11)

I could understand Americans being frustrated about loosing a popular model in favour of an ugly one, but the tourer was a dog sales wise... and now everyones up in arms that they've replaced it... Americans are way too stuck in their ways when it comes to cars, but they seem to complain the loudest when they never get any of the good stuff... Now their complaining because they get no tourer? Well maybe if more than 1000 people a year were buying them they would!.. the BEST year BMW had of 5 Touring sales in the US was 2351 units.. so that is still LESS than the 5GT which is considered a 'pointless', 'treasonous' niche product.

Say 'nobodies buying them' if you want... but it's been a stronger seller than the 5 series Tourer was...

Call it a pointless niche product if you want... but explain to me why convertibles, cabriolets, salloons/sedans, tourers, SUV's, MPV's, 4×4, 4 door coupes or hatchbacks need to exist, when I seem to manage perfectly fine without them (please note there is strong sarcasm here....)

Call it ugly if you want... I'd probably agree, but then there are plenty of other cars I find ugly too that some may disagree on....

My point here is that because you don't need it, or don't like, doesn't make it pointless, or a bad vehicle...

Subject to used prices reaching a certain point (ie. Cheap) I think I will end up buying one at some stage... I'm pretty sure they will end up being huge bargains, and If I can rent a 5GT 530/5d next year I have a road trip in mind :D :D :D :D
 
I have to say I like the 5 Series GT, I've seen loads recently and thought it must been doing quite well, it and the X6 are certainly better looking than any of BWM's proper SUV offerings.
 
Wagon's have a bad image in the US
As I mentioned earlier, wagons are only bought by people who buy wagons. People who buy wagons don't buy anything else, and people who do buy anything else will never buy wagons.

Wagons have a very specific market. Either a car appeals to them (by being a wagon) or it simply doesn't. BMW thought they could still keep this wagon-buying demographic while attracting new buyers by compromising between wagons and SUVs.

In fact, what they have done is alienate their wagon buyers completely because the car is not a wagon specifically, and they have not attracted new buyers because the car is tremendously expensive, hideous, and doesn't make enough sense in between the sedan and X5.

This car is a failure on three levels. It completely killed off a very specific type of customer, it sabotaged sales of BMW's own car, the 7-series, and despite stealing numbers of it's brother, sales figures were still miserably underwhelming.

Doesn't matter how good of a car it may be - it appears to actually be pretty decent - but that fact is that it has created a net loss of sales.

If they still sold the 5 wagon they would still be selling 5 wagons, however few, and 7-series sales would be intact.
 
As I mentioned earlier, wagons are only bought by people who buy wagons. People who buy wagons don't buy anything else, and people who do buy anything else will never buy wagons.

Wagons have a very specific market. Either a car appeals to them (by being a wagon) or it simply doesn't. BMW thought they could still keep this wagon-buying demographic while attracting new buyers by compromising between wagons and SUVs.

In fact, what they have done is alienate their wagon buyers completely because the car is not a wagon specifically, and they have not attracted new buyers because the car is tremendously expensive, hideous, and doesn't make enough sense in between the sedan and X5.

This car is a failure on three levels. It completely killed off a very specific type of customer, it sabotaged sales of BMW's own car, the 7-series, and despite stealing numbers of it's brother, sales figures were still miserably underwhelming.

Doesn't matter how good of a car it may be - it appears to actually be pretty decent - but that fact is that it has created a net loss of sales.

If they still sold the 5 wagon they would still be selling 5 wagons, however few, and 7-series sales would be intact.

Well, I would trust BMW's market research more than your opinions, and also their ability to judge the net value of the shift in sales..

But lets be clear, 5GT sells more than 5 Tourer in the US, 5GT takes 10% of 7-er sales in the US... the net overall difference in BMW Global sales.. less than 0.01%.. Treasonous swine..? maybe an ugly swine, but I'd rather BMW tried something rather than just imitated (*cough A7, cough*).

BMW did not miss the ball on marketing of this, it works well enough in ROW territories, but the styling is absolutley questionable IMO - this and the X1 are two of the ugliest BM's of all time to my eyes, and again I'll say that I believe this is the only reason it has missed it targets in the US.
 
As I mentioned earlier, wagons are only bought by people who buy wagons. People who buy wagons don't buy anything else, and people who do buy anything else will never buy wagons.

This is a sweeping generalization and not really accurate. You are forgetting that people's buying habits change as their lifestyles, financial situation, alternatives, tastes and whims do.

There is a group of hardcore wagon buyers out there, just like there are hardcore off-roaders who will always want a Wrangler or a Defender. But that core group only make up a portion of all wagon buyers. Many wagon owners are not as dedicated to the style as you might think.

My wife drives a wagon. But she used to drive a crossover SUV. Before that, a sedan. Her next vehicle is mostly likely a hardtop vert. Her coworker also has a wagon and used to have an SUV and will probably go back to SUVs.


Wagons have a very specific market. Either a car appeals to them (by being a wagon) or it simply doesn't. BMW thought they could still keep this wagon-buying demographic while attracting new buyers by compromising between wagons and SUVs.

In fact, what they have done is alienate their wagon buyers completely because the car is not a wagon specifically, and they have not attracted new buyers because the car is tremendously expensive, hideous, and doesn't make enough sense in between the sedan and X5.

This car is a failure on three levels. It completely killed off a very specific type of customer, it sabotaged sales of BMW's own car, the 7-series, and despite stealing numbers of it's brother, sales figures were still miserably underwhelming.

Doesn't matter how good of a car it may be - it appears to actually be pretty decent - but that fact is that it has created a net loss of sales.

If they still sold the 5 wagon they would still be selling 5 wagons, however few, and 7-series sales would be intact.

You are combining two separate decisions and confusing the results.

Choosing not to offer a 5er wagon in the US is a separate business decision than offering a 5GT. It was played as part of a strategy, but they are separate moves.

The 5GT is at fault for not attracting wagon buyers.

Losing wagon buyers to rivals is a result of not offering a wagon.

Cannibalization of 7er sales is partly the fault of the 7, for not offering a unique buying proposition to customers.

Product =/= Strategy. BMW took a risk with their strategy and it didn't play out as they'd hoped. In fact, they said it was a risk when they launched it. Doesn't make the 5GT a bad product; it was a result of bad positioning.

I bet the 5GT has the potential to do well in other markets, depending on how it's marketed. Like China, for instance.

Personally, anything that offers people an SUV alternative, I'm generally in favor of.


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Have you seen it in person?

Seen one, sat in one. I've yet to ride or drive in it, but assuming it goes like any other BMW, it would be quite alright. I've had a long history of liking odd vehicles, and I'd say the 5GT comes close to taking the cake.

* Point of Reference: YSSMAN has gone on record, stating that he "likes the Toyota Venza, and prefers it to the Highlander." As well as saying, "I don't understand why so many people don't like the Mercedes R-Class."

Simply put, I like awkward vehicles. The 5GT gets the okay in my book simply because its different, BMW pedigree be damned. It still manages to keep most of the BMW driving dynamics, and with that fancy twin-turbo V8, it goes like stink. Nevertheless, the rear (to most people) is hideous, despite it containing a clever bit of space that makes trips to Lowes a fairly reasonable thing to do without borrowing your father's Silverado.
 
Simply put, I like awkward vehicles. The 5GT gets the okay in my book simply because its different, BMW pedigree be damned. It still manages to keep most of the BMW driving dynamics, and with that fancy twin-turbo V8, it goes like stink. Nevertheless, the rear (to most people) is hideous, despite it containing a clever bit of space that makes trips to Lowes a fairly reasonable thing to do without borrowing your father's Silverado.

I respect this. I'll take a car that has a unique personality that I don't like over a car that I find boring any day.

I actually hope this size catches on. I'm getting tired bimbos in X5's almost running me over when they drift into my lane while on the cell phone. Hopefully the combination of badge, looks, and shiny stuff will attract would-be SUV buyers to stop clogging up the streets with 3 tons of mass driven by incompetence...

That said, I want to test drive one, but I know that I'll be thinking about how much better a 5-series would be.
 
I hope its value depreciate fast, so i can get one for myself... ;)

very nice car in its own right!

It's not so obvious at first, but i think this car is very much under-appreciated.
Peace out!
 
I think one of the problems is that it's ugly, and that half the buyers buy luxury cars because they want to be seen in something that makes a fashion statement of sorts.

Useful? Yes, but too oddball for the amount of money and therefore playing ball in the wrong league. It's sort of like someone at Bavaria said, "Remember the Lincoln Blackwood?"
 
The looks have grown on me, im starting to get passed the funky shape. (probably b/c of all the X6's i keep seeing on the roads). The interior looks posh, and comfortable. And i can guaruntee this thing drives well. Overall im sure it'll make a good car/car parts online.
 
So I dug up some sales figures from BMW's annual reports

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Obviously there are trends and stuff going on here also - with old models disappearing and new ones replacing them - but I think this gives a representative idea of how BMW sales break down.

The 5GT appears to sit nicely at the 'niche' end of the spectrum, with sales figures that would appear to be about the same, or higher than, both 1 series Coupe and Convertible models, total 6 series sales, and the Z4 as well.

It's also suprising to see where the X1 and X6 slot in, two other models that have drawn some negative views from people...
 
The gap between the X5 and X3 is astonishing.

I know the X3 is rubbish, but I'd have bet my house on it being a bigger seller.
 
The gap between the X5 and X3 is astonishing.

I know the X3 is rubbish, but I'd have bet my house on it being a bigger seller.

I'm more surprised about X1 sales. 99,990 people in the world are mighty desperate to have a Beemer badge on the front of their car no matter how ugly it is.
 
The gap between the X5 and X3 is astonishing.

I know the X3 is rubbish, but I'd have bet my house on it being a bigger seller.

New X3 is supposed to be pretty good actually, but it's still uncomfortably positioned in the market. SUVs of that sort of size tend to be workhorses like the Toyota RAV4, which makes the BMW look hugely too expensive, especially when the X5 can be had for relatively little more - and makes more of a statement.

The X1's success doesn't surprise me at all. People are downsizing, and the market it competes in is developing at quite a rate - the Range Rover Evoque is on sale any time, as is the Audi Q3. Great economy figures from any of them but still the presence on the road of a BMW/Audi/RR off-roader.

I still wouldn't say the 5GT is really a success, even considering the sales figures of other models. The 1-Series Coupe and 'vert are really aimed at the same type of buyer, just with subtle preferences (no differently than someone choosing between an Audi TT coupe or convertible), so when you think of it like that it's nearer 50k sales in 2010, and you can then add that to the other 145k 1-Series sold it's pretty successful.

The 5GT is as near as makes no difference an entirely new model, rather than a 5-Series with a different number of doors.

I think the success of the X6 in particular puts a perspective on how small the niche is for the 5GT.
 
I think the success of the X6 in particular puts a perspective on how small the niche is for the 5GT.

I'm no fan of the X6, but the 5GT always looks to me, on the few occasions i actually spot one, like an X6 fitted with really small wheels.

 
That chart to me seems to prove the opposite of what you are saying it does, MatskiMonk.

The gap between the X5 and X3 is astonishing.

I know the X3 is rubbish, but I'd have bet my house on it being a bigger seller.
The X3 never made any sense to buy considering how little more the X5 costs over it. As I recall, the Car and Driver review of the first generation when it originally came out was basically "This thing kinda sucks, the X5 doesn't, and the X5 barely costs any more. Get an X5 instead."
 
That chart to me seems to prove the opposite of what you are saying it does, MatskiMonk.

How so? I'm not saying that it proves the 5GT is a runaway sales success, but it's numbers seem reasonable when compared to other low volume sellers... yet I don't see people hounding BMW to kill off the 1-er coupe or the Z4? either way, those are the numbers... and I think it goes someway to explaining why BMW feel there is a viable business case for GT models (let's not forget there will soon be a 3GT, and it looks like a 1GT is on the horizon too)
 
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