BMW M3 - PD has made it the worst handling car in GT5P

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I have used almost every car in GT5P and I can say that the BMW M3 using professional setting and all assists OFF, is the most difficult car to handle.

Has "anyone" managed to win a race ONline on professional event using the BMW M3?

I doubt anyone is able to win "professional" using this car, if you do win, please let me know.

In fact if you cant win online using this car, try winning on class A or S races using this car. good luck.

I think it is sad that PD has unethically made the japanese cars faster and handle better than the real world German cars like BMW M3.

can you believe it, PD has made an EVO X faster in a straight line than an M3 in this game.

just search any car reviews on the BMW M3, and they will all tell you that the M3 is the best handling car in its class. but PD has made it the worst handling car. shame on you polyphone digital. dishonestly making german cars perform worst than the japanese cars. shame on you.

If you win a race online in professional using the M3, let me know. impossible
 
All RWD cars are like that in pro physics, it is BS, it effectively limits a RWD car's power by 50% because you can't put the power down at risk of snap spin.

PS- Clearly you haven't driven the Z06 yet.
 
umm maybe you didn't realize its not a race car. Its tuned to give a nice ride and be sporty. "Fastest car in its class" Its class is called sport-luxury. Its class is that of the IS350 and lesser mercedes. An evo would out handle it easy, but I don't know about pulling it straight line unless they are modified.
 
deadlyz33
umm maybe you didn't realize its not a race car. Its tuned to give a nice ride and be sporty. "Fastest car in its class" Its class is called sport-luxury. Its class is that of the IS350 and lesser mercedes. An evo would out handle it easy, but I don't know about pulling it straight line unless they are modified.
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I didnt say fastest car in its class. i said best handling car. and the evo x is no more a race car than the m3. IS350 is no comparison to M3, the new ISF is more like it, but still not as good. you should read the reviews on M3, it is definitely not tuned for a comfy ride. it is a performance vehicle on par but cheaper than R8 and GTR.
 
Whoa ease up, it's no where near the GT-R, not sure about the R8. I think of it more as a sport biased luxury-sport, against cars like RS4 and the Merc whatever in that class.
 
An M3 is nowhere near the class of an R8. I do know what you mean about the handling through. It's not right. Perhaps it's a simple as the Japanese manufacturers giving PD greater access to the inner workings of the their cars?
 
Hmm, I'm not surprised anymore by anything in this game. How did that happen, well the Ferrari F430 can't even match the Evo X's acceleration performance, now how real is that!
Guess we'll have to get used by it.
 
BMW is the best, but seeing as the Japanese made this game the obviously would make the Suzuki Cappucino faster than the M3. they do it just to piss German afficianados off, even though both fought together in World War 2
 
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I didnt say fastest car in its class. i said best handling car. and the evo x is no more a race car than the m3. IS350 is no comparison to M3, the new ISF is more like it, but still not as good. you should read the reviews on M3, it is definitely not tuned for a comfy ride. it is a performance vehicle on par but cheaper than R8 and GTR.
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R8, GTR : Not even close to the same class.
IS350, RS4, etc. You said best handling car in its CLASS. This is it's class. Sport luxury. Wake up.
As for the evo maybe you guys are blind to real life racing but an evo is practically 100% built to race. Extremely good handling car, and everyone knows from the GTR that turbo+awd is helpful in any race. Not sure about how realistically the tuning is portrayed in this game but in real life a modded evo would be excellent competition for a ferrari.
 
Now that you mention it I seen that in a replay, a CPU M3 being over taken down a straight by a 350Z, yeah right, like that will ever happen. Enter me, I'll have to tune her up a bit ;)
 
I disagree with your comments. The BMW M3 handles awesome.

The term great handling is usually applied to cars that don't suffer from understeer. A RWD Ford Mustand is not a great handling car. RWD cars like the NSX, S2000, Lotus, M3 are examples of cars with great handling. The difference in views of the term handling is subjective. A car that handles like these cars allows the driver to take full advantage of the cars agility at the limits. It's a handful if you don't have the hand-eye coordination to drive one.

Metaphor.
The handling of a NSX, S2000, Lotus, M3 is like a sharp knife.
The handling of a Ford Mustang is like a butter knife.

A knife is so sharp, chefs swear that it's the best knife to use always. But the chef would recommend a butter knife when he serves his food because it may be too sharp for the general public use. Safety first.

 
I wouldn't say worst handling but it sure is challenging.
When the Prologue arrived, I made a quick comparison between M3 vs Lexus at Eiger. Ment to be only one lap run. I tried the Lexus first: nice, fast, quite easy to handle through the corners. The M3: very dangerous and seductive, I'd say. It was third try I survived a clean lap And yes, the M3 was quicker, about 0.3 or 0.4 seconds.
If I had to choose a family car of these two, it would be the Lexus. The M3 would be for me and for serious track days.
 
Professional physics are complete rubbish in this game. A powerful rwd car doesn't spin instantly when you apply the accelerator (even a little bit in this game) mid corner. And its not going to spin with with half accelerator and not full lock in rl, which it will in gt5p.
 
Cold Fussion
Professional physics are complete rubbish in this game. A powerful rwd car doesn't spin instantly when you apply the accelerator (even a little bit in this game) mid corner. And its not going to spin with with half accelerator and not full lock in rl, which it will in gt5p.
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Here here.

deadlyz33
all depends on tuning.
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What tuning? The CPU doesn't tune their cars, even if that means they are over the PP limit like in S class.
 
deadlyz33
R8, GTR : Not even close to the same class.
IS350, RS4, etc. You said best handling car in its CLASS. This is it's class. Sport luxury. Wake up.
As for the evo maybe you guys are blind to real life racing but an evo is practically 100% built to race. Extremely good handling car, and everyone knows from the GTR that turbo+awd is helpful in any race. Not sure about how realistically the tuning is portrayed in this game but in real life a modded evo would be excellent competition for a ferrari.
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I dont think you know what you are talking about. why dont you have a read of this article from "car magazine uk" the pages are scanned in the link below:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122409

in this article they compared R8, M3 AND GTR, AND THE M3 was determined to be the BEst.
 
Hey thanks for the heads up, "Car Magazine UK" don't know what they're on about.
 
acwebpage
I dont think you know what you are talking about. why dont you have a read of this article from "car magazine uk" the pages are scanned in the link below:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122409

in this article they compared R8, M3 AND GTR, AND THE M3 was determined to be the BEst.
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Did you read that article too?! I don't know if you noticed but the m3 was the worst performing car on the track. Not to mention the guy who drove the GTR kept on all traction control and had the springs set to standard driving mode! He was afraid to run everything in R mode with no traction control!! But yet the gt-r still rips up the competition.
-------0-60--0-100--lap time--peak speed
GTR:---3.6----8.3----82.20-------109.7
911tt--3.7---8.4------83.20-------114
r8-----4.1---10.2-----83.80------107.9
m3----4.6---10.4-----85.58------106.2


The m3 was by far the slowest. The GTR was clearly the one with an advantage. Not to mention it wasn't even on R mode with TCS off!!! They probably did that on purpose to not make all the other cars look so bad.


Not like this comparison was fair, those cars are in a different class. ;)
The m3 is a very stout car, i'm not denying that.
 
acwebpage
I dont think you know what you are talking about. why dont you have a read of this article from "car magazine uk" the pages are scanned in the link below:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122409

in this article they compared R8, M3 AND GTR, AND THE M3 was determined to be the BEst.
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You mean the article where they determined the GT-R to be the best? Followed by the M3, R8 and 911?

"Step into the M3 after the GTR and it seems somehow blunted."

"GT-R beats all-comers on the road. Can it repeat the feat on the circuit?"

(followed by laptimes putting the GT-R 1st and the M3 4th).


Even reading the text, the praise the GT-R's handling over the M3...

Well done for shooting yourself down there.
 
soptom
The last page states that the M3 "sneaks up to a surprise second place", the GT-R is the articles winner overall.
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yep thats right, but what it shows is that the BMW is comparable to cars such as R8 and GTR, and its actually cheaper than those cars.
but in the game GT5P, PD made the M3 AND R8 performance a lot worse than the GTR. in fact a lot worse than they actually are.
 
deadlyz33
R8, GTR : Not even close to the same class.
IS350, RS4, etc. You said best handling car in its CLASS. This is it's class. Sport luxury. Wake up.
As for the evo maybe you guys are blind to real life racing but an evo is practically 100% built to race. Extremely good handling car, and everyone knows from the GTR that turbo+awd is helpful in any race. Not sure about how realistically the tuning is portrayed in this game but in real life a modded evo would be excellent competition for a ferrari.
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The IS350 is in the same class as the 335i, not the M3 (though I suppose if you're covering all of the 3-series range, then it is).

Someone compare the performance and handling of the IS-F and the M3, because they are pretty similar specs-wise and direct competitors in real life.
 
Famine
You mean the article where they determined the GT-R to be the best? Followed by the M3, R8 and 911?

"Step into the M3 after the GTR and it seems somehow blunted."

"GT-R beats all-comers on the road. Can it repeat the feat on the circuit?"

(followed by laptimes putting the GT-R 1st and the M3 4th).


Even reading the text, the praise the GT-R's handling over the M3...

Well done for shooting yourself down there.
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read my original message. i was not comparing the M3 with GTR. i said the EVO X was faster than the M3. then someone else said that the M3 IS a luxury car that cant be compared to racers, and what this article shows is the the M3 can be compared to other performance vehicles. go read the full article and not just the excerps. and the discussion is regards to performance and handling. point being is that you cant win a race using the M3 in PROLOGUE. if you can, i sure would like to see the video
 
Famine
I did. Where did you manage to lift this gem from?



I expect the answer will be a good one.
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oh well, second best, but you get the point =P

the m3 is well known to be a benchmark for performance cars. its ridiculous to say that it cant be compared.
 
acwebpage
oh well, second best, but you get the point =P

the m3 is well known to be a benchmark for performance cars. its ridiculous to say that it cant be compared.
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Do you honestly thing m3 is a benchmark for performance cars? Maybe you need to stop swingin on BMW's nuts and realize there are faster cars for cheaper. Your paying for the added luxury and BMW name.
 
Cold Fussion
Professional physics are complete rubbish in this game. A powerful rwd car doesn't spin instantly when you apply the accelerator (even a little bit in this game) mid corner. And its not going to spin with with half accelerator and not full lock in rl, which it will in gt5p.
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maybe its just the driver? have you driven the eiger test in pro mode with all assists off?
That will teach you to respect this car, and will reward you.
Ive only managed a 1.17 in pro no assists, but it will teach how to feather the throttle, and feed in the power rather than just boot it, it will teach how to set up your corner entry and balance the car.
At first i was getting massive wheelspin, and spinning out but if you stick with it and learn you will soon find you begin to get the power down more effectively, and gather control.
i even out run the evoX up the hill after the final hairpin.
once you can be consistant on this test in pro no assists, its a dream to take it to the tracks.

Any reasonably powered RWD will spin its wheels without TCS if the car is off balance in a turn especially if its on its limits.
I even witnessed a numpty in an M3 in birmingham just a couple of months back ended up donuting in front of me on a round about, when the car was off balance, and a slightly heavy foot, he was damn lucky i didnt plow my wagon right through him!

This car is all about balance, if your mid turn on the edge and you ask the rear to push a bit more because you want to go faster, your likely going to spin, unless your car control skills are up to it.
 
Now here is a challenge I'd like to try out... Also hated my first contact with it. The M3 seams to have been made abruptly brute. Also was a bit disappointed by the F430, but loved the F40 and the Lotus Elise (all versions).

On a side note, I don't think we should compare the M3 to AWD cars or even MR or RR, when we're discussing it's handling.

Overall and absolute performance, or GT5 lap times, ok, anything can be compared. But cornering and handling, it will be inherently different, or naturally "better" (read faster cornering) on a AWD, because it makes cornering speeds higher, putting more power on the tarmac and making the car easier to control.
 
I only driven the M3 few times on Japanese Spec I version. I'm not big fan of BMW but I must say it did handle well. Sure you can't put down your foot down on the turns and expect it to drive out of it in one piece, its a RWD car, and just like in real life, don't hold down on the Throttle down fro too long. It's a really good handling car in its class, Just look at the speed you are going, and compare it to other cars on the same corner.
I also agree that GT-R is a really good street car, and like Famine said that the car beats all the street cars.
I somewhat disagree that someone said it's a track car, it is in one sense, but I see more people drive it as a everyday ride. I would say CLS and GTR are more of race track ready and should not be an everyday rides.
 

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