Body/ Visual mods in GT4

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Body kit to increase down force to front and rear = better high speed handling.
Body kit to increase CD figure of car to reduce resistance = higher top speed.
Body kit manufactured from lightweight material to keep weight increase to minimum.
I have no pictures find your own.
Why cant you understand that the spoilers and aero aids fitted to race cars are basically body kits. If they did nothing why are they on race cars Viper?
 
Originally posted by Uncle Harry
I have no pictures find your own.

Of course you can't, because they don't exist.

Body kits do not increase downforce.
Body kits do not reduce resistance (they create more)
Aero modification is not the same as body kits.

Modifications are done to race cars because they are tested and proven to increase aerodynamic performance. Body kits do not.

Body kits = Rice. Simple as that.
 
Why do you think all body kits are Rice Viper?
AMG do body kits for MB and they are not rice.
HSV do body kits for Holdens in Aus and they are not rice. Grow up your attitude makes me think you are 10 not 19.
 
Originally posted by Viper Zero
Show me one body kit that enhances you car for performance gain.
The full Mugen kit for the RSX does. It was developed by the Mugen race division in Honda's windtunnel. It adds close to 200lbs of downforce above 100mph, all while making the car more aerodynamic than an NSX. And, the kit does add performance. The wider opening in the front aids cooling. The slot at the top of the bumper gives a straight shot to the intake. The hood vents hot air out. The side skirts aid with high speed stability. And the rear wing, obviously, adds downforce. Does that count for functional?? Now, its obviously not cheap since its Mugen, but you at least get a kit that does something to help the performance of the car, not just looks.

Hilg

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You're arguing over definitions.

You both agree that functional aerodynamic refinements should be in the game because they're a legitimate feature in professional motorsport, yet because one person calls them aero modifications and another body kits, one's wrong?

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I really don't care what people call them, or whether they make it in the game. I've just been showing what functional mods look like. The Audi I showed just showed how very little needs to be modified to make a very, VERY competant racer. And, the RSX shows that you can have a street car with aftermarket body pieces that actually serve a purpose over just looks. Thats all.

In the end, I really have no opinion on whether they should or shouldn't be in the game. Are body mods a real part of racing?? Sure, but thats what all the actual race models in the game have been showing and used for. It would be nice to have a functional 'kit' to add to each car in GT, but think how much that would take to implement?? Every car would have to have some sort of kit designed, and aditional modeling done. Thats a lot, especially when we're talking about 500-ish cars. If they put it in the game somehow, fine, all the better. If they don't, I'm not upset. I just want the RING!!!!
Hilg
 
You didn't really need to go defensive dude, you've more than proved your point in the thread.

I'm being really tentative typing this but... It's almost like... We all...

Agree.

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Sorry, that wasn't meant to be defensive, just informative. Just telling my side. There's a saying that I like to refer to with things like this. Its not quite PC, but oh well.

"Arguing on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

I think we all do agree though, to an extent. That is, at least, until Viper shows up again and starts talking :banghead: :D :lol: ;) J/K

Hilg
 
Originally posted by Uncle Harry
Why do you think all body kits are Rice Viper?
AMG do body kits for MB and they are not rice.
HSV do body kits for Holdens in Aus and they are not rice. Grow up your attitude makes me think you are 10 not 19.

Resorting to personal attacks because you have nothing to backup your comments?

All body kits are rice because... they are. They have no performance qualities, only visual ones.

Nice Mugen Aero Kit.

Originally posted by Eagle
You both agree that functional aerodynamic refinements should be in the game because they're a legitimate feature in professional motorsport, yet because one person calls them aero modifications and another body kits, one's wrong?

Yes, the term body kit is not the same as aero modifications. If it's a real modification on a real race car, then it should be in GT if PD decides it to be.
 
I know someone is going to b*tch on me about this, but I, along with others, have already created threads about the "Rice" battles. First of all, take a look at most of the "Race Mods" in GT4 games. You don't see anything that makes it look like at least a GT3 racer (nowdays, just referred to as "GT?" I think I've seen only one that kind of pushes the envelope on how such mods can look a little "ricey," and that is the racing mod for one of the Accord sedans in GT2. It may look a little like the material you all are discussing, but I thought it was kind of good-looking. But as I've said, if you want to make a car a racer, it has to be properly engineered.

What I would suggest is if a car wants to grow up to be a race car, it needs some hopping up. Engine. Tires. Powertrain. The whole shebang. But I won't go any further as this will only p*ss off GTP members rather than create a positively-paced topic.

But I do know one thing. If I see a Monte Carlo, Taurus, Intrepid, or Grand Prix in GT4 and the modification makes it look like a Nextel Cup stock car...

"I'm gonna lose it." -Tom Hnatiw, "Sports Car Revolution"
 
And to further prove the point, on one episode of "Sports Car Revolution," the Dyno Truth-or-Dare girl Jamie Wilson and Sean Hyland dynoed a 1998 Honda Prelude. The owner put on some new headers, and some other stuff to the engine, right? And it all looks like a race car for the street. The guy said he had (he looked older than 30, by the way) 170 hp in it. He was honest. He didn't say he was pumping 400 from an inline-4. BUt the dyno results said that he had about 150. Then Wilson asked him, "you spent $80K on the car and nothing on performance?" So, a point stretched.
 
Sports Car Revolution is a great show. It showcases real tuning and not this fake crap with body kits, nitrous bottles, and Street Glows. Their Mugen RSX project came out really nice, all performance.
 
Originally posted by Viper Zero
Resorting to personal attacks because you have nothing to backup your comments?

Except for like, those lines, above. Yeah. So, if we follow your example and disregard words, sentences and context at random, we get:

Originally posted by Viper Zero
All body kits are rice because... they are.

Which is of course a well backed up comment.

Originally posted by Viper Zero
the term body kit is not the same as aero modifications.

True, but people are just generalising because 'ae' is unnatural to them :p
 
Originally posted by Viper Zero
Yes, the term body kit is not the same as aero modifications. If it's a real modification on a real race car, then it should be in GT if PD decides it to be.
An aero kit IS an body kit Viper, both consist of adding extra body parts to the car or replacing existiong ones. Both are made in mould's both can be made in the same materials. The differences are in the angles and curves. Heres something I bet you didn't know, some race cars even use rice parts as you call them, take the BTCC cars for example they have a large rear wing that adds no downforce, the only reason they are there is because they look good. The front airdam's got a purpose as do other bit's of the body kit's, but the rear wing is only there to look good. Stop trying to argue that black is white, aero mods and show mod's are both types of body kit.
 
Originally posted by live4speed
BTCC cars for example they have a large rear wing that adds no downforce, the only reason they are there is because they look good.
Your telling me that this wing on the Civic here is just there for looks?????? :lol: :lol: :lol:

If there is one thing that is for sure, big time race teams spend very little time worrying about the car looking good. They will paint them with sponsor logos or team colors and what not, but they don't add extra stuff just to show off. This isn't Hot Import Nights we're talking about, there are no style points. If the wing doesn't add downforce, then its just there adding extra drag slowing the car. No team is going to do that just for the sake of 'looking good' :rolleyes:

Hilg

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If you know the rules for BTCC you will know that is a standard wing, the teams have no say on it being ther on adjusting it or anything. The only purpose for thoes wing's is for looks as they are set at angle's that produce pretty much 0 downforce. If the teams could they would make more use of it, but the rules are very specific and versy tight.
 
I remember the old whate tail Porsches that raced in the 80's.
 
Well, after googling a bit, I found that you are correct. Cars have to be based on the standard street car with 'cosmetic' additions allowed. That just loses the BTCC a lot of points in my book. I used to love watching those races. But, no more. Thats just silly. I'm all up for a good looking car, but if a part doesn't help get the car around the track any quicker, I don't want it on my racer. Silly. They should rename it the HINTCC "Hot Import Nights Touring Car Championship" instead. I know the races are good and close, but when they start worrying about how the cars look, thats not good. Oh well.

Hilg
 
One thing is for sure, they may be based on the road versions, but they can still lap a track in half the time.
 
Think I once heard that the BTCC spoilers only take effect @ like 150mph, which is rarely achieved in a race. Still I think this was back in 1998 or something.

I got confused when they altered the BTCC format :dunce: was better before I think. Although its still more interesting to watch than F1 in my book & nice bumper to bumper racing :)
 
Originally posted by Eagle
Which is of course a well backed up comment.

I'll back up my comment then. Body Kits are rice because they have no performance qualities, only the appearance of 'speed'. I use 'speed' very loosely, most Body Kits reduce aerodynamical performance and slow the car down.
 
You'll find most aerodynamics don't come into play until above a certain speed, 150mph seems a bit extreme but if the wings really are that bad and underused it could be true.
 
Aero mods can be tuned to work at just about any speed, not just higher speeds. I have a adjustable cf splitter that i put on my car when I go to M.A.M. for track days. It makes a very big difference, but I can change where. If I set it for full attack, it makes a huge difference in the low-mid speed corners, but easily takes 6-10mph off the back stretch. Conversly, if I set it to its lowest setting, it helps very little in the low-mid speed corners because of the lack of air hitting it. But, in the mid-high speed corners, its much better because of the greater ammount of air. And, I get back those 10mph or so. All of this with just a simple front splitter. I can't imagine having to tune all of the aero systems on an F1 car.

Hilg
 
Originally posted by Viper Zero
Body Kits are rice because they have no performance qualities, only the appearance of 'speed'. I use 'speed' very loosely, most Body Kits reduce aerodynamical performance and slow the car down.
Body kit's alter a cars performance, even the rice one's do ionly they usually make the car worse at speed. Body kit's made for improving performance, improve performance would you believe it. You give a car the right front splitter, rear wing and a couple of extra intakes and outakes put in the right places and set it all at the right angles and you will get better perfomance from your car. All thoes parts are found in a body kit, what do you not get about the fact that body kit is a very wide term and covers usefull and not so usefull types of kit.
 
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The spoiler, for example, gives as much downforce as the fruitcake
in the back of you're freezer you got from granny last christmas.

Meaning: Not a freaking bit.

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That spoiler tough, gives as much downforce that you're
ass get flat for a week after a ride.

Meaning: A ****LOAD OF DOWNFORCE!
 
It would be nice if you could tune your cars so that you can choose the right amount of downforce for your car. And in the case of race cars, I can recall CART using a different aero package on the rear wing. When the series raced at Michigan and Fontana, I cannot describe it very well because I want to avoid as many "what the hell are you talking about" comments. So I'll leave it there.

When it comes to aero packages, I think you should be honest. If you're not racing 170 with a touring car spoiler, don't go for it. But I think if you want to go for looks, just look at the Mustang's rear wing, not to mention the MazdaSpeed Protege, and even the MazdaSpeed RX-8. I think the Cobra R's (GT3) rear wing cannot be adjusted. I'm not sure. Hey, by the way. Did anyone forget about carbon-fiber body parts? I'm not talking about a yellow Honda with a black CF hood and rear spoiler, but anyone ever thought about using carbon fiber to make normal and tuned cars lighter? Hey. Those are body/visual mods as well. And they can help in the weight department. How about it?
 
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