Boxer Spirit

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Ben_Lucas
the best boxer engined car would be my own alfa 33. I wish it would be in gt.

A subaru boxer is just an old alfa 16v anyway. see alfa got fed up with the boxer, so they could develope thier own twin-spark, gave the engine to subaru to keep, they bore it out to 1.8 and "tweek" and come out with less bhp. Japanese crap
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Way to go, swearing and racial slurs all in the same post; neither of which were needed.

Its also a biased and pointless post; the best boxer enginered car happens to be the one you own! Better than a 911 or Impreza 22B; sorry but I used to own a 33 Cloverleaf and while it was a good car to drive, it was also fantastically unreliable, with the worst dealer network in the UK.

Now i'm a big Alfa fan; but at present I would not buy another one; I need a car that offers both performance and looks (which the Alfa's do offer) with reliability and good build quality (which the Alfa's do not).

After all, look at the mass of un-reliable, poor built, slow Subaru models out in the market place.

Alfa may have provided one of its engines to Subaru, but as has been said Subaru were working on its own boxer engine long before than. You should also rememeber than when Alfa needed a diesel engine, it had to ask Fiat to provide one!

The current range of Subaru engines have little to nothing in common with the older Alfa derived engines and as such can be considered Subarus own work, with the their power and reliability proven in the WRC, particulalrly in Group N in which the model must be showroom spec.
 
I also completed the Boxer Spirit with the Subaru Rally Prototype '01 stock. Up against a RUF BTR, CTR 2 and Yellowbird on the Hong Kong track and still won fairly comfortably. And I earned around 110 A-spec points doing so (for what they're worth!)
 
I did the Boxer challenge in a '98 Impreza Coupe 22B-STi with an original turbine, twin clutch, farily low springs but not lowest, front camber 2 and back 1, and fairly highly tuned in most ways (but no fly wheels or crap like that which affects low rpm torque- me likes 'em, nippy!) Beat a few RUFs and other Imprezas with that set up.

Also, what the hell are A-spec points for?! Apart from telling you how much more/less powerful you are compared to the competition in the race.

)))World sucks. Stay happy(((
 
GeGuy
If you're trying to win with any stock Subaru, it's impossible.
I tuned my Impreza WRX STi to around 350-360hp with racing flywheel ,triple-plate clutch and S3 tires and won but it was hard as hell. The Rufs will pull away hard on the straights but they're slow in turns. It's a real challenge using an underpowered car. It get aroound 100 A-Spec points.
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That's more or less the way I did it too with the Subaru STI 4 doors.
As you said, it's not just a walk in the park but winning is manageable.
I could have done it the other way around: win the Impreza LM car from the manufacturer's race then enter the Boxer race with the LM prize car. But as they said in the gyms: no pain, no gain.
 
smellysocks12
Aren't Rufs more expensive than Porsches??
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I think mangadrive was refering to the VW Karman Ghia as a poor man's Porsche, then changed Porsche to Ruf, in a tounge in cheek reference to the fact that we only get Ruf's in the GT series.

At least thats how I read it.
 
smellysocks12
Good question, are there any other Boxer cars in the game other than Subaru's and RUFs? It is nearly impossible to win of a CTR with a Subaru, yet using a RUF feels cheap.
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Get your hands on the Cusco Subaru Impreza JGTC 👍
 
ELgatu
i belive the old bettle its also a boxer car,

the engine of RUF(porsche) its a "replica" from the olds bettles

i think the first porsches use the engine from the bettle
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While you aren't wrong with that statement it is no longer true. If you ahd made it say...in 1974 you might be closer to the truth.

Porsche moved away from the VW engine long long ago. The modern Porsche and Ruf engines have little to do with the old VW engine, especially the water cooled ones.

On this the boxer series. It can easily be won with a stock Subaru Imprezza Spec-C (the 04 model) on N3 tires...no worries. Though the grid with the RUf CTR is a bit dodgy due to the CTRs might grunt on the straights...
 
RxQueen_2.5RS
The 22B puts up a good fight against those Rufs. I had a lightly modded 22B (chip, exhaust, suspension, lightweight 1, etc) and was able to beat the Boxer Spirit. It wasn't easy though.
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thanks for the tip man 👍
I didn't want to use a "Porsche" to beat them but rather a tuned road car you can see everyday (not the 22B I know..)
 
zerob_cool
I did the Boxer challenge in a '98 Impreza Coupe 22B-STi with an original turbine, twin clutch, farily low springs but not lowest, front camber 2 and back 1, and fairly highly tuned in most ways (but no fly wheels or crap like that which affects low rpm torque- me likes 'em, nippy!) Beat a few RUFs and other Imprezas with that set up.

Also, what the hell are A-spec points for?! Apart from telling you how much more/less powerful you are compared to the competition in the race.

)))World sucks. Stay happy(((
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thanks also for the comments on using a Impreza :)

and btw A-spec don't really tell you how much powerful is your car..that would be ncie but it's not working :/

example : I Had a hard time winning in "Turbo challenge" with my Mazda RX-7 bathurst 376cvand even if I could win all the races which was near impossible for me (owned in straights) all I would earn was like 80 A-spec points then I tried the GT-R concept you win in licenses (I cheated to get it..oops) it has 477cv,7 speeds,non-stop acceleration until 270kph and I got..108 A-spec points only because the GTr was heavier the 100cv more it had, the game didn't really see them :/
Baka gamu lol
 
thedeester1
As has been said the Boxer is the flat or hozinontally oposed engine where all the cylinders are horizontal with the ground. The main reason they were developed was because you can have large cylinder capacities in a relativley small engine (compared to a straight 4 or 6). You have more metal between the cylinders therefore they can be bored out larger. The boxers tend to have very short crank stroke wich means they pick up the revs very quickly. Another plus is that because the pistons are moving side to side rather than up and down they are less affected by gravity. ie when the detonation cylinder is moving downwards the power is not lost by lifting two other pistons up. You wouldnt think this was much of a factor but apparenly it is and a boxer engine is supposed to be 5-10 % more powerfull than an upright straight engine of the same cc also producing more torque. boxer engines are also noted as been the best for reliability. this is mostly thought due to the oil flow. Because all the working parts are lower down just above the oil sump, the oil pump works at a lower pressure. This means that old gaskets and seals arent under as much pressure. If you think of a large straight or v engine the oil may have to travel upwards of maybe 60cm or more. The pressure needed to do this is much more than the 25cm ish of the average boxer engine. Also what happens is that when the oil pump starts to wear or the strainer gets dirty the tops of "upright" engines become oil starved and wear much faster!

Thats my waffle!
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Naaa why did I read this...I just saw an ad in Switzerland for imported US Impreza STi with 2.5l_300cv ahhhh I didn't want to know they wehere that good :ouch:
 
Used a RUF CTR 2 straight ahead, no turning beast. Awsome acceleration, but man that car can't turn! Had to soften up the suspension alot. It's really hard to shift weight properly on these cars. Anyone else had theese troubles? Some good tips for tuning? Bought this car 'cause I wanted an allround automobile for asphalt, gravel and snow. Boy! Was I wrong... aprox 500000 down the drain... But I won the series :)
 
i won the boxer race with my Subaru Impreza WRX STi 2004 with 400BHP (No turbo upgrades), sports brakes and stage 1 weight reduction. First lap of each race was hard as teh RUF's have about a 4 second lead by the time i passed 2nd to 5th palce cars. But they are average around the corners and make mistakes so just be patient.
 
22B-STi with drivetrain/suspension upgrades, S3 tires but no extra power.

Against the Yellow Bird, another 22B and 3 random STi.

Challenging, but really not that bad (197p -- almost there but not quite because someone got 200p for the Blitzen!)
 
I also used my 22b with Stage 2.I believe it was around 350hp at the time.I've got it at 475hp now,and it is perfectly setup.A spec-c would have no problem,either.

Boxer engines rule....my two favorite companies are Porsche and Subaru,and that's a big reason why. Like TheDeester1's great write-up illustrates,there are sound technical and engineering advantages to the design for performance reasons.
 
I used one of the new legacy's.. I love the car and it has around 340HP... Is was a challenge... I can't remembe rhow many points I got for it.. I did it a while ago.
 
I used the Subaru Rally Car Prototype, and won all three races easily 👍 (5-6 second leads). No tuning, just soft sports tyres. Watch out for the ProDrive P1 if it appears, its nearly as quick and agile as the Prototype. A-Spec points were all 100+ a race too.
 
PS
Don't forget that Ferarri used to use to use boxers. I think the Testarossa had a boxer. And if anyone is wondering why the Porsche Boxster is named that, it's because it has a boxer (flat 6) engine, on a roadster body. Kind of cheesy.
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Ah, the Testarossa and 512TR....nice cars. Flat 12s. Good cars,very good cars. :drool: I used a midly tuned STi and whooped up on the RUF cars. The spot to get them is in the turns. 400hp should be enough to run with them on the straights...atleast it was for me.
 

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