Braking points and the Blue line.. do you really need it ?

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I must admit I use the driving line. Not so much for the line it self, but as help for when to brake. Id rather turn it off as sometimes its annoying being depending on it, especially if there is another car close in front of me. However there are very few brake markers in the game as it is now.
What i would really like to see in the full game, is some bigger signs at the tracks showing how many meters to the upcoming corners.
 
I turned the line off a few days after getting the game and started doing better in the class events. I never could follow that line perfectly anyway.
 
Nift
I turned the line off a few days after getting the game and started doing better in the class events. I never could follow that line perfectly anyway.
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Do the users of the lines find the line and braking red bit stops you from looking down the track, through corners etc ?? I turned it on for a bit and found I felt like I was suffering target fixation and not taking in all of the peripheral visuals that are your queues for braking, turning in points and found i wasnt looking far enought through th corner.

Like walking a painted line on the road.. if you focus just in front of you, you will wobble and feel unstable.. focus off in the distance and you will walk straight.
 
The question posed is do I really need to the racing line? No I don't, in fact I don't use the racing line most of the time. I use my own lines according to how fast I want/ need to be.

The racing line is 'on' in my game because of the RBE. I am sure it is easy for me to remember where to brake in certain areas. But, because the rubber band effect changes how the car handles from lap to lap and sometimes from corner to corner. I keep the racing line on to tell me two things.

One) It gives me a good idea where I need to start braking. Becuase remember it is different most of the time when up front and leading.

Two) The racing line will tell you how fast you can take some corners. (Dictated in MHP) Well, because of the RBE I don't know how well the car is going to grip in the next corner. So I need to have a good idea of how the car will handle.

Sure I use this 'crutch' but because I use this crutch I don't loose anytime because I over shoot the corner or didn't go fast enough.

In the full version or whatever version they turn the RBE off, That is when I will turn the racing line off. :)

Chad
 
I don't use it because it makes for a inferior visual experience.
 
888 Tuning
Do the users of the lines find the line and braking red bit stops you from looking down the track, through corners etc ?? I turned it on for a bit and found I felt like I was suffering target fixation and not taking in all of the peripheral visuals that are your queues for braking, turning in points and found i wasnt looking far enought through th corner.

Like walking a painted line on the road.. if you focus just in front of you, you will wobble and feel unstable.. focus off in the distance and you will walk straight.
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well you shouldn't be watching the line you should be watching the road. Two great corners for an example are the 130r and the first turn for the double rights. I keep my eye parked on the corner so I can nail the turn in point, and just wait for the line to turn red.

Watching the line instead of the road, or trying to follow the line exactly are crazy. The line is to just be used as a marker. And like CWR said, it is great for compensating the RBE as well as making sure you don't get 'over-excited' during a heated race and wait too long to brake. It helps keep me in check.
 
I don't understand those who use these lines. I turned them off before I even tried the game, I'm not very good but lines that tells you where to drive and when to brake is just ridiculous..
 
PuTTe_TuTTe
I don't understand those who use these lines. I turned them off before I even tried the game, I'm not very good but lines that tells you where to drive and when to brake is just ridiculous..
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Well the line, is good for getting to know the ideal line, until one get familar with the track. Kinda if you went to a track day, you would most likely get some theory about the track with and instructor explaning how to drive the track.
I do agre though, having the line on, its very hard not to focus on it, and thereby not looking ahead up the track. The game seriusly lack some good brake signs 300 m. 200 m 100 m etc. So its kinda like having to chose between ash or fire.
 
BonzoHarry
well you shouldn't be watching the line you should be watching the road. Two great corners for an example are the 130r and the first turn for the double rights. I keep my eye parked on the corner so I can nail the turn in point, and just wait for the line to turn red.

Watching the line instead of the road, or trying to follow the line exactly are crazy. The line is to just be used as a marker. And like CWR said, it is great for compensating the RBE as well as making sure you don't get 'over-excited' during a heated race and wait too long to brake. It helps keep me in check.
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Agreed, but theres no way I will turn it back on... it just doesnt feel right to me :)
 
Is the line useful?

In my honest opinion, after you get to know a track, it shouldn't be. In fact, I believe that it'll harm your laptimes more than most people think.
That line is basically a rought guide to stroll your away around the track, if you're hotlapping using the line, you're not getting far.

Not to mention that it hurts my eyes, looks unrealistic, distracting, etc. It's by no means a question of coolness, same as the aids.
As someone raised the issue, ASM and TCS off, well driven car, will always be faster than with these off.
ASM slows you down on corners just because it thinks a bit of slide is bad. Not necessarily that way.
TCS slows you down, as it refrains your car to put the power down. With the right modulation of the throttle, it's possible to be faster with it off in 95% of in-race situations. Plus, having it off means you can adjust turn lines merely my making proper use of the throttle.

Back to the line, I almost never felt the need for it (only a few times on previous GT games, to know the track faster), because I find references on the track that are much more accurate to me than that fluorescent blue and red line hovering on the tarmac.
It's more realistic visually, it's more realistic in terms of driving, because you HAVE to know the track, and it's a lot better in a long term.
I compare it to driving school, and the difference between driving with the instructor and driving by yourself; sure, it feels safer, but you can never do as good as you'd do by yourself. 👍

The visual part is very important for me, I don't want anything that blows the realism of the game, so that's why I pointed that as a minus for having the line displayed.
 
When i started to play GT5 Prologue i never even thought of using the "Driving Line" feature. But i tried it for a few races and at first it was annoying, but i got used to it. Later when i tried to race without the line i felt totally lost. I missed brake points and found myself going really wide at some corners. I didn't drive so bad before i started to use the line but now it feels like i need it.

What are your experiences with this new feature?
 
hi :) i've been using the line guide on ferrari challenge on tracks that i don't know, as a learning aid

imo that's all it should be though, an aid till you know the track. after that, it spoils the look :D

that said, if you like it, stick with it. it's your game after all 👍
 
Also in Ferrari Challenge it is much easyer to not use the line, as the tracks are very well done. There are big signs when aproching the corners showing hom much meters 200, 100, 50 etc.
 
If you never used it before why-o-why did you start....? Now you only have the choice of using it always or go cold turkey and kick the habit. :(
 
I used to use the line all the time but decided I needed to break the habit. At first it was hard but after a few races you realize you actually know the track and if you raced long enough with the line(as I did) you can still kinda see it. :lol:
 
Used it for the first couple of days.......... switched it off and never looked back.
 
i find it useful. i never race with it on, but occasionally if i am having a real tough time with a particular corner i will flip it on to see what PD wants me to do. of course i still only use it as a guideline.
 
I use it a lot! Just cant seem to get rid of the habit!
Although i really should!

Gonna start racing right now without it, it has to be practice practice
I guess you'll learn the tracks better without it! :)
 
I used it from the day I started GT5P until a few weeks ago. At first I was lost, but after a few races I learned where the braking points are. It's a bit like switching from mouse to controller when playing an FPS or switching from inverted Y-axis (flight sim style) to non-inverted Y-axis. At first you're lost, but you get used to it very quickly.
 
vicheous
I use it a lot! Just cant seem to get rid of the habit!
Although i really should!

Gonna start racing right now without it, it has to be practice practice
I guess you'll learn the tracks better without it! :)
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The benefit of learning tracks without it is that its transferrable from game to game usually, some braking markers might change (like if you use patches of track, rumble strips or other scenery) but otherwise, most sims are easily adaptable with braking zones.
Also, the driving line is a very general basis for braking, many cars can brake later or get on the throttle earlier, and it doesnt help if you are off the racing line, which is almost always when you're racing.
 
You need the line for...

1) To make your own braking points, measure out from red line where is the best point
2) Keep everyone online in order and not everywhere, where a big crash involving everyone.
3) To find out better lines than the line thats there

I have it on but I have different braking points :indiff:
 
No, it's not needed once you know the track. In my own experience when I had the racing line on, I found myself focusing mostly on the line instead of looking ahead on the track. I would set myself up badly for corners and be unaware of other cars just because I was focusing way too much on the line instead of observing what I and others were doing on the track.

Once I turned it off, my lap times improved, and I didn't carelessly cause accidents anymore.
 
I've been using the driving line for my braking points and find myself lost now that I've turned it off. I never used the blue parts of the line but the red parts were my braking cues. I didn't brake at the start of the red line but I knew just how far past the start I had to go before braking. It worked well for me.

As an experiment I tried running S7 with a starting lineup that I was able to take the lead on lap 3 with the lines. But when I turned off the line I was only able to take the lead on lap 5. And that was after a few tries.

But I wanted more realistic driving so I turned it off. Of course there are cues at each corner of each track but now I have to relearn all my braking points.

Oh well. More reason to practice. :)
 

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