Braking question

[Tarkata]

Is it faster to slowly brake into a corner or to hard brake in the end? since i started playing with no abs i can only do it slowing down with care not to make a big mess.

 

[Aquarelle]

I find it to be personal preference. Late braking is faster but wears your tires out more and has more chance to go wrong if you time when to get on the brakes and when to let off them wrong.
It also depends on the track, for example the corner at the end of the main straight of the Nurburgring Gran Prix track I tend to late brake to assist in swinging the car around the corner.

Experiment for yourself, pick a car you like and play around with different forms of braking and find what works for you, personally I use a sort of mix between the two and it works well for me.

 

[Giulietta73]

I find it to be personal preference. Late braking is faster but wears your tires out more and has more chance to go wrong if you time when to get on the brakes and when to let off them.
It also depends on the track, for example the corner at the end of the main straight of the Nurburgring Gran Prix track I tend to late brake to assist in swinging the car around the corner.

Experiment for yourself, pick a car you like and play around with different forms of braking and find what works for you, personally I use a sort of mix between the two and it works well for me.

This:tup:

Also mess about with your brake balance. I've brought mine down to 2/1 or 1/0 in order to take the sting out of the tail in some cars - some cars will never be ABS 0 tamed!

 

[Johnnypenso]

This:tup:

Also mess about with your brake balance. I've brought mine down to 2/1 or 1/0 in order to take the sting out of the tail in some cars - some cars will never be ABS 0 tamed!

Actually, 4/0 or 5/0 will better take the sting out of the rear than 2/1 or 1/0. If you use PD logic where 0=1, 1=2 then 2/1 is actually more like 3/2 so you have 40% of the braking force in the rear. at 5/0 (6/1) you only have 14% brake force at the rear.

 

[JJSCHMITTY2000]

Is that how it works? At 1/1 it's the same stopping power as 10/10? Strange, but interesting.

 

[Shoe67]

Actually, 4/0 or 5/0 will better take the sting out of the rear than 2/1 or 1/0. If you use PD logic where 0=1, 1=2 then 2/1 is actually more like 3/2 so you have 40% of the braking force in the rear. at 5/0 (6/1) you only have 14% brake force at the rear.

Really? So 10/8 is the same at 5/4???

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I would say that anything between 4-10 is an adjustment to input sensitivity, rather than strentgh adjustment. At least in my opinion, I find that braking strentgh is only under 100% if anything is set below 4, the only thing you're doing by having 10/8 compared to 6/4 is giving yourself a shorter/more sensitive brake pedal, making it easier to lock up.

I personally use 4/1 for road cars and 5/2 for racing cars.

All of the above was aimed towards ABS off.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

If I might add, a total value BB of around 10 to 12 is what I would consider maximum braking force for most cars on street tires can handle, above that, it's more about reducing braking travel on pedal or increasing sensitivity for button users ( no ABS )

I have no issues with high BB due to my input device ( stick ). There are certain cars that need very high BB to get the best out of it when braking, a prime example is triumph spitfire 1500, this car has a weak brake, even at 10/9 and no ABS, I can hardly lock the wheel when braking from high speed and trail braking is a lot easier than most modern cars, this might be that GT5 also model old cars drum brakes.

 

[Giulietta73]

Actually, 4/0 or 5/0 will better take the sting out of the rear than 2/1 or 1/0. If you use PD logic where 0=1, 1=2 then 2/1 is actually more like 3/2 so you have 40% of the braking force in the rear. at 5/0 (6/1) you only have 14% brake force at the rear.

I tried all sorts of ratios from 100% front-0% rear to 0%front-100%rear and everything inbetween. The values I ended up with suited my driving style with a DS3. 👍

 

[Aquarelle]

6-4 is normally where my brake balance sits at to tame a rear end, it works well for my driving and tuning style

 

[Argon]

Really? So 10/8 is the same at 5/4???

In terms of stopping power then yes but in terms of how quickly that stopping power is achieved then no.

The values PD use in the BB relate to how quickly the brakes come on relative to pedal/trigger/stick movement not how hard they squeeze the disc once they are applied. All values will ultimately get you full braking power but you will definitely feel the difference between a 10/8 setting and a 5/4.

 

[phil bell]

Is it faster to slowly brake into a corner or to hard brake in the end? since i started playing with no abs i can only do it slowing down with care not to make a big mess.

Initial pedal pressure is hard, then let off off the pressure as you get closer to the corner.

In terms of stopping power then yes but in terms of how quickly that stopping power is achieved then no.

The values PD use in the BB relate to how quickly the brakes come on relative to pedal/trigger/stick movement not how hard they squeeze the disc once they are applied. All values will ultimately get you full braking power but you will definitely feel the difference between a 10/8 setting and a 5/4.

No. The higher it is the more braking force you get. If the tires can handle it is another matter, my race car runs 4 2 but it varies car to car.

I use a G27 without abs, and have used it competitively in numerous leagues.
Having tested numerous cars with a low brake setting (~2) it does not have enough braking force to use the tire.
I increased it and it has increased braking power. Simple as that.

 

[Argon]

Initial pedal pressure is hard, then let off off the pressure as you get closer to the corner.


No. The higher it is the more braking force you get. If the tires can handle it is another matter, my race car runs 4 2 but it varies car to car.

I use a G27 without abs, and have used it competitively in numerous leagues.
Having tested numerous cars with a low brake setting (~2) it does not have enough braking force to use the tire.
I increased it and it has increased braking power. Simple as that.

There was quite a discussion about this and accepted I am quoting others when I say the values PD use do not equate to force but following this revelation I have tried it out and I believe the statement is true.

Have a read through this thread https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=203979&highlight=braking+force

Edit: One other point mentioning it's not the brakes that stop the car but the tyres. Regardless of the brakes the car will only stop within the capability of the tyres. You may be confusing braking force with differing tyre capability. The previous example quotes a very old Triumph model that had notoriously skinny cross-ply tyres that were equally notorious for not bringing the car to a halt. [It also had 🤬 brakes too]

 

[phil bell]

There was quite a discussion about this and accepted I am quoting others when I say the values PD use do not equate to force but following this revelation I have tried it out and I believe the statement is true.

Have a read through this thread https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=203979&highlight=braking+force

Edit: One other point mentioning it's not the brakes that stop the car but the tyres. Regardless of the brakes the car will only stop within the capability of the tyres. You may be confusing braking force with differing tyre capability. The previous example quotes a very old Triumph model that had notoriously skinny cross-ply tyres that were equally notorious for not bringing the car to a halt. [It also had 🤬 brakes too]

I know and am NOT confusing it. I have tried it on many different cars, with a brake bias too low the car simply does not stop as well (does not use the tire as well).

 

[Argon]

I know and am NOT confusing it. I have tried it on many different cars, with a brake bias too low the car simply does not stop as well (does not use the tire as well).

OK, we can agree to disagree as that is most definitely not my experience