Brexit - The UK leaves the EU

Deal or No Deal?

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haitch40
So what does everyone think of May sitting in the House of Lords whilst they debate the bill? Personally I can't agree. The Lords are meant to be separate from the Commons.
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The un-cynical view is that she's there to answer in a timely fashion any questions their Lords and Ladyships might have. That's not my own view however... she's there to demonstrate that pay-to-play peerages are alive and well and the buggers had better remember it.
 
TenEightyOne
The un-cynical view is that she's there to answer in a timely fashion any questions their Lords and Ladyships might have. That's not my own view however... she's there to demonstrate that pay-to-play peerages are alive and well and the buggers had better remember it.
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As an unelected Prime Minister, she has little to moan about.
 
TenEightyOne
Although we never elect a Prime Minister, so her incumbency differs little.
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Perhaps we don't directly elect the PM. But do you really think that a majority of voters vote for their local MP regardless of who the leader of their chosen political party is?
 
DG_Silva
If she's not speaking, I don't see it being too much of a problem. I think she may be wanting to know any potential snagging points sooner rather than latter to give her as much time as possible.
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Yes but there is nothing like the watchful eyes of someone in a position of power.

The problem with May is she wasn't even chosen by the wider Tory party. However I am 100% certain she is better than Dave ever was.
 
TheCracker
Perhaps we don't directly elect the PM. But do you really think that a majority of voters vote for their local MP regardless of who the leader of their chosen political party is?
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There are quite a few areas that do, Labour and Tory heartlands some of whom have never elected another parties candidate since the constituencies creation.
 
Watched the latested episode of Fully Charged yesterday and he talked about some interesting Brexit issue with the Nuclear Waste and what t would mean for us in the U.K.



I wasn't aware we were the dustbin men of the EU when it came to NW.
 
Sprite
I wasn't aware we were the dustbin men of the EU when it came to NW.
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Me either - which other countries' waste are we processing?

[EDIT]Nvm..finally got to that point in the video lol.
 
David Davis, when asked about whether British citizens will retain their EHIC rights, said "I haven't looked into it". What the 🤬 has he been looking into these past 9 months? This sort of thing is exactly the sort of thing people are or should be worried about with regards to leaving the European Union.

The short-sightedness and seeming ill-prepardness of Brexit is incredibly worrying. Especially for an EU expat like myself.
 
Liquid
David Davis, when asked about whether British citizens will retain their EHIC rights, said "I haven't looked into it".
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I had to wait at a junction (and it was my right of way!) for an escorted car to pass the other day, in the back seat was DaviDaviDavisd and he was looking into... the distance.

That could well account for all of the last nine months.
 
Liquid
David Davis, when asked about whether British citizens will retain their EHIC rights, said "I haven't looked into it". What the 🤬 has he been looking into these past 9 months? This sort of thing is exactly the sort of thing people are or should be worried about with regards to leaving the European Union.

The short-sightedness and seeming ill-prepardness of Brexit is incredibly worrying. Especially for an EU expat like myself.
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One can only hope that the UK government are simply playing the cars close to their chest insofar as they do not wish to reveal what their intentions are before formal negotiations have started for fear of giving the EU ammunition. It is, however, also quite likely that they really are not prepared for this or that they have already decided that there are things that the UK is simply going to do without or are not high enough priority to bother with yet.

The future treatment of UK citizens in Europe and vice versa is going to be a major issue for millions of people - one thing that does worry me is that the UK might have whatever policy it sees fit, but that the EU (with 27 veto-wielding member states) may not be able or willing to agree a common policy that will see a failure to make an agreement... so the UK government could have already decided that EU citizens can stay in the UK after Brexit, but a failure of the EU to agree a common policy on the rights of UK citizens could see that deal scuppered. Hopefully everyone will see sense and come to a swift agreement if the UK is smart and decides to make it clear from the outset that the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK will be guaranteed, but if they don't or if they put conditions on it, then both EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in Europe could face a rough ride. I sincerely hope that common sense prevails, but I would not bet the mortgage on that happening.
 
Liquid
David Davis, when asked about whether British citizens will retain their EHIC rights, said "I haven't looked into it". What the 🤬 has he been looking into these past 9 months? This sort of thing is exactly the sort of thing people are or should be worried about with regards to leaving the European Union.

The short-sightedness and seeming ill-prepardness of Brexit is incredibly worrying. Especially for an EU expat like myself.
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I think the government takes the view that the average EU expat is a retired sun seeking lounge lizard whos rights mean very little in the whole scheme if Brexit. They forget that there are actually working age Brits over there!
 
Liquid
That Guardian piece about those old British people in Costa del UKIP was jaw-dropping. I was flabberghasted.
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Bonkers that an EU national who has lived in the UK for 20+ years couldn't vote in the Brexit referendum, but a British expat who has lived in Spain for 20 years (and who has no intention of ever coming back) could.
 
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Liquid
David Davis, when asked about whether British citizens will retain their EHIC rights, said "I haven't looked into it". What the 🤬 has he been looking into these past 9 months? This sort of thing is exactly the sort of thing people are or should be worried about with regards to leaving the European Union.

The short-sightedness and seeming ill-prepardness of Brexit is incredibly worrying. Especially for an EU expat like myself.
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How exactly would he look into it? Surely that's something that will be agreed upon in the negotiations, which we can't start until we've triggered article 50.
 


I wish I could read the whole thing. It's funny... no, strange... that back then conservative newspapers such as the Mail, Telegraph and Times were well in favour of joining the EEC and left-wing national parties such as the SNP and Plaid Cymru were steadfast against it.

How times change.
 
Dover and Out, excellent. I can almost hear Dame Vera Lynn warbling across the channel while she flips the bird to those damned Frenchies.
 
Interesting how all of the PM's rhetoric has been "Brexit will unite us" or "Let's unite behind Brexit together" without any real indication how.

Unconfirmed stories of pro-Brexit civil servants walking out of meetings when presented with reports of negative economic forecasts or negative legal ramifications leave me too worried; this idea that simply getting over the line is enough and no criticism can be applied to it.
 
Liquid
Interesting how all of the PM's rhetoric has been "Brexit will unite us" or "Let's unite behind Brexit together" without any real indication how.
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This sentiment is reflected in Theresa May's attitude towards the Scottish government. Far from 'uniting us', Brexit is (sadly) far more likely to precipitate the break up of the UK. I am not a supporter of the SNP or Nicola Sturgeon, so you know something is very wrong when it is Sturgeon and the SNP that appear reasonable and pragmatic - in contrast, May sounds dogmatic and unreasonable.

That said, 'appear' is a key word - it doesn't mean to say Sturgeon is right and May is wrong - just that Sturgeon is playing her hand far better than May, which is worrying. But Sturgeon and the SNP are demanding the impossible, or at least they are demanding what the EU has already appeared to have ruled out - 'Soft Brexit'. The EU has said it will either be "Hard Brexit or No Brexit", and this pretty much makes sense... as said before, 'Soft Brexit' is too close (way too close) to 'No Brexit' to satisfy the majority of people in the UK who voted to leave the EU.
 
I've not felt the urge to drown my sorrows at 9:30 in the morning for a very long time, I can't help but feel (based on what I know of the lack of preparation on the UK side) see this as ending in anything other than a mess.
 

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