Britain - The Official Thread

  • Thread starter Thread starter Ross
  • 13,446 comments
  • 768,442 views

How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%

  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
:lol: Who is it that gets to teach our children which political views result from ignorance, prejudice and bigotry? Who is the arbiter of what is ignorant, prejudicial and bigoted?
The educated, the elite, the highborn, and the media? Perhaps they should be the only ones to vote? Ben Franklin said democracy was only an experiment, not guaranteed to work.
 
Pretty sure that covers why they commoners weren't allowed to vote as well. :lol:
Yes, my point exactly. The view that "commoners" shouldn't be allowed to vote was driven by fear, ignorance, and bigotry.
Who is it that gets to teach our children which political views result from ignorance, prejudice and bigotry? Who is the arbiter of what is ignorant, prejudicial and bigoted?
You don't teach children which views are wrong, you teach them basic morals and then teach them how to form their own views.
 
By next year, most children in Britain will be born from single mothers. Are single mothers then the arbiters of morality?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...dren-will-be-born-out-of-wedlock-by-2016.html
Children don't learn about morality solely from their parents. It's a combination of pretty much everything they see from a very young age. Their parents play a large part, but children also learn about morality from watching other people, various forms of media including television and the internet, their friends, other parents, and of course their teachers.

Please tell me what it means?
It means that their parents aren't married.
 
The parents.
No, that's not true either. It means that the parents aren't married. That's all it definitely means. It could mean that the parents live together but aren't married. It could mean that the child is born to a single mother. It could mean that the parents live separately but still both play a role in the raising of the child.
 
Children don't learn about morality solely from their parents. It's a combination of pretty much everything they see from a very young age. Their parents play a large part, but children also learn about morality from watching other people, various forms of media including television and the internet, their friends, other parents, and of course their teachers.
So media and the educated are arbiters of morality, as I originally posited.

The happiest words are "I told you so."
 
I'm not sure how it is for y'all over there in the third world but I just ate so much food I can literally feel my abdomen stretching out. It kinda hurts actually. America truly is the greatest country on earth. We couldn't have done it without you!
 
So media and the educated are arbiters of morality, as I originally posited.
Will you please, please take the time to actually read my posts rather than just posting all-encompassing statements?
Children don't learn about morality solely from their parents. It's a combination of pretty much everything they see from a very young age. Their parents play a large part, but children also learn about morality from watching other people, various forms of media including television and the internet, their friends, other parents, and of course their teachers.
 
Children don't learn about morality.
FTFY.

What a child learns while growing up is not morality but values. Personal values, family values, societal values, etc. The things that society deems important. Unfortunately, values are not necessarily related to morality. Most people don't even know what morality is or where it comes from until they take an ethics class in high school or college. At that point, it takes them several weeks of study and discussion to realize that the values they've grown up with may in fact be wrong or immoral. Often, this is the first time they'll be exposed to the difference between what people think and what is.

From what I can tell, Dotini was attempting to make you realize this distinction between values - what a person embraces via their environment - and morality which encompasses the actual principles of right and wrong. You seem upset by Dotini's statement that the "media and the educated are arbitors of morality," but you continue to use the word "morality" where you shouldn't. What you are describing is values which the media and the educated do strongly influence, not morality.

Children don't learn about morality. Children learn values. Hopefully somewhere along the road they will realize the difference.
 
Last edited:
@Keef Morality isn't the same for everyone. It's merely how someone distinguishes between right and wrong. It's as ambiguous as values.
 
@Keef Morality isn't the same for everyone. It's merely how someone distinguishes between right and wrong. It's as ambiguous as values.
Totally false.

Ethics is a logical science with the goal of establishing objective criteria of right and wrong. The concepts of life, liberty and property - "natural" human rights - are based on morality and have been developed through ethical study. But values are completely arbitrary things based on nothing but the mood of a person's environment.

For example: I value a delicious greasy hamburger while you value a lean grilled chicken sandwich. Neither of these things are right nor wrong. They just are. Maybe I grew up in Texas where they raise beef and you grew up in Ohio where they raise chickens so we have different preferences.

But I don't think either of us will argue against the fact that killing another human unjustifiably could ever be right. Sure, you can say we "value" human lives but the reason we value human lives isn't because we grew up in Nebraska where they raise humans and therefore we are accustomed to it. It's because there is something deep within our psyches which allows us to understand that we ourselves do not want to be killed unjustifiably, and nobody else wants to be killed unjustifiably, and we can't really pinpoint why but we just know that it shouldn't be done. That is morality, and pinpointing "why" is the purpose of ethics. Pinpointing why I like burgers and you like chicken is nothing more than a Buzzfeed poll.
 
But I don't think either of us will argue against the fact that killing another human unjustifiably could ever be right. Sure, you can say we "value" human lives but the reason we value human lives isn't because we grew up in Nebraska where they raise humans and therefore we are accustomed to it. It's because there is something deep within our psyches which allows us to understand that we ourselves do not want to be killed unjustifiably, and nobody else wants to be killed unjustifiably, and we can't really pinpoint why but we just know that it shouldn't be done. That is morality, and pinpointing "why" is the purpose of ethics. Pinpointing why I like burgers and you like chicken is nothing more than a Buzzfeed poll.
But there are people whose morals do not tell them that killing someone else would be wrong. These people still have morals, they're just different to ours. Morals are not set in stone. Neither are ethics or values.
 
Totally false.

Ethics is a logical science with the goal of establishing objective criteria of right and wrong. The concepts of life, liberty and property - "natural" human rights
No those are American values. Some Marxists hate the idea of property.
 
But there are people whose morals do not tell them that killing someone else would be wrong. These people still have morals, they're just different to ours.
No, they are wrong. This is why we don't simply give them a pat on the back after they murder somebody and tell them it's okay, they're just different. They aren't different, they're wrong. They have committed a moral injustice against the will of the victim.
No those are American values. Some Marxists hate the idea of property.
It's not a value, it's a moral. You guys are getting the concepts of values and morals totally mixed up. We don't care about protecting private property because we like it, we care because the idea of protecting private property is logically justified. You'll note that other systems which have been put into practice - like Marxist ideas - have failed because they are not logically sound and therefore not functional.

Guys, feel free to jump over to the Human Rights thread if that won't interfere with your afternoon tea time and sketch comedy shows. Now if you'll excuse me, I must go contribute to the economy responsible for keeping the German language across your pond.
 
No, it wasn't serious, merely querious.
Then actually ask the right question.

Born out of wedlock doesn't mean someone doesn't have both parents and doesn't mean that both parents don't live with and parent the child, I know of dozens of couples who had kids and then got married. Nor does it mean an immediate end to all moral values.

Your automatic inference that born out of wedlock = single parent = moral breakdown wasn't supported the last time you brought this up, and unless you have something new to bring to the subject its as inaccurate a point to raise as it was last time around.
 
Below is the original question, and most important question I asked. All others I disavow.

:lol: Who is it that gets to teach our children which political views result from ignorance, prejudice and bigotry? Who is the arbiter of what is ignorant, prejudicial and bigoted?
The educated, the elite, the highborn, and the media? Perhaps they should be the only ones to vote? Ben Franklin said democracy was only an experiment, not guaranteed to work.
 
Last edited:
No, they are wrong. This is why we don't simply give them a pat on the back after they murder somebody and tell them it's okay, they're just different. They aren't different, they're wrong. They have committed a moral injustice against the will of the victim.

It's not a value, it's a moral. You guys are getting the concepts of values and morals totally mixed up. We don't care about protecting private property because we like it, we care because the idea of protecting private property is logically justified.
Or not. You just spouted the same thing as you did in the previous post and not really addressed the concern.
You'll note that other systems which have been put into practice - like Marxist ideas - have failed because they are not logically sound and therefore not functional.
Then why do people still believe in it? The main reason it failed so horrifically was because a corrupt person took control. Not what Marx intended. Now I am not a full on communist but you need to understand these things before making judgements on their logic.


Anyway UK.

Hague wants an English tax system separate from the rest of the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31099106
 
Last edited:
Almost had a contender for a Darwin Award in Edinburgh today...

A woman accidentally set herself on fire in the toilets of Costa coffee by attempting to inhale gas while smoking a cigarette.
facepalm.gif


http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotla...ll-horror-in-edinburgh-costa-coffee-1-3679337

I hope the victim recovers from her injuries, and it must have been a pretty horrific sight for the people in the cafe, but the sheer stupidity of some people beggars belief at times.
 
:lol: B&Q is expecting a surge in people coming into store because of the Fifty Shades Of Grey film release and it has sent an internal memo!


The Telegraph
B&Q sends Fifty Shades of Grey memo warning staff to expect soar in demand for cable ties and rope

Staff at B&Q stores have been told to read Fifty Shades of Grey and prepare for a massive rise in demand for rope, cable ties and tape.
A leaked memo reveals that workers at the DIY chain have been asked to prepare themselves for "sensitive" customer questions about such products, which could be used in sexual role play.
The memo, circulated to the DIY store's entire 20,887 workforce at 359 stores, is titled: "Staff Briefing – Preparation for Fifty Shades of Grey Customer Queries."
It says copies of the erotic novel will be delivered to each store and can then be lent to staff on a one week basis.
Staff are urged to familiarise themselves with the book and to deal with any related queries in a "polite, helpful and respectful manner".
The Fifty Shades of Grey film adaptation of the book is released this weekend.
It follows the relationship between college graduate Anastasia Steele, played by Dakota Johnson, 25, and businessman, Christian Grey, played by Northern Irish actor Jamie Dornan, 32.
Grey introduces Steele to the world of bondage and dominant sexual role play and both the book and the film include a scene in which he visits a hardware store to purchase rope, cable ties and tape.
The memo says: "We stock many of the products featured in this notable scene and then used later in the film.
"When the book was released in 2012 DIY and hardware stores in the UK and US reported increased demand of certain products and queries from customers as they tried to recreate their own "Fifty Shades" experiences.
"We need to be prepared for the same effect when the film is released this month.
"All staff are encouraged to familiarise themselves with the content of Fifty Shades of Grey by reading the novel or watching the film upon its release."
A B&Q spokesperson said: "B&Q remains committed to serving our customers in all their DIY needs and we strive to prepare our staff for any enquiry. Customer satisfaction is always our number one priority.”

FULL MEMO
STAFF BRIEFING
PREPARATION FOR FIFTY SHADES OF GREY CUSTOMER QUERIES

OVERVIEW
Following the film release of Fifty Shades of Grey, B&Q employees may encounter increased customer product queries relating to rope, cable ties and masking or duck tape. Store Managers should anticipate the need for extra stock and store staff should read the following brief to prepare them to handle potentially sensitive customer questions.

WHAT IS HAPPENING?
On Saturday 14th February 2015 popular erotic novel Fifty Shades of Grey will be released as a film and is expected to do well in the Box Office. Written by E.L. James, the story follows the relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young, successful business man, Christian Grey, who introduces her to the world of bondage and dominant/submissive sexual role play.
Preview footage depicts a notable scene from the book where Christian Grey visits a hardware store to purchase rope, cable ties and tape. Rather than bought for home improvement purposes, these products are intended to fulfil Mr Grey's unconventional sexual pursuits.

WHY DOES IT AFFECT US?
As the UK's leading DIY store, we stock many of the products featured in this notable scene and then used later in the film. When the book was released in 2012 DIY and hardware stores in the UK and US reported increased demand of certain products and queries from customers as they tried to recreate their own 'Fifty Shades' experiences. We need to be prepared for the same effect when the film is released this month.

B&Q'S POLICY
It is always B&Q's policy that products should only be used for their designed purposes. Nevertheless, all staff should read this briefing notice to prepare for potentially sensitive customer enquiries and managers need to be aware of the implications that the film may have on stock levels.

STAFF BRIEFING
All staff are encouraged to familiarise themselves with the content of Fifty Shades of Grey by reading the novel or watching the film upon its release. Copies of the book will be delivered to each store and can be lent to staff on a one week basis. Understanding the storyline and how some products that B&Q stock feature in the film will better prepare staff for incoming queries.
Queries may be unusual and sensitive in nature but staff are reminded of B&Q's commitment to assist customers in a polite, helpful and respectful manner. A level of discretion is also advised.
Store managers are requested to monitor stock levels of rope, cable ties, masking tape and duck tape to ensure that supplies do not run low. Fifty Shades of Grey is released in cinemas on Saturday 14th February 2015 and the busiest sales periods for these products are expected to run from Sunday 15th February to Sunday 1st March 2015 with a focus on weekend trading.
The date for the DVD and home entertainment release of Fifty Shades of Grey is yet to be confirmed but a second briefing may be issued closer to that time.

STAFF ARE ASKED TO KEEP THE CONTENTS OF THIS BRIEFING WITHIN THE COMPANY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS RELATING TO THE CONTENTS OF THIS BRIEFING PLEASE SPEAK TO YOUR REGIONAL MANAGER.

A&E internal memo coming the next day? :lol:
 
Back