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Britain - The Official Thread
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Zinggggg. But remember, we respect authority in this country, whilst muttering our complaints. We've only had two revolutions - one to put a dutch dude everyone loved on the throne and sort out Cromwell's mess (and create the bank of England thereby binding our currency to Florentine banking traditions) and the Industrial Revolution, where we invented hard work.
You can not like the queen, but Japanese tourists love her, so it's best to keep her around because we don't make anything in this country anymore and the money has to come in somehow.
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Then there's the revolution of the Jarls that favoured William the Bastard over Godwin's Son (and the Harrying that finally slapped the Danes back up the Humber), there's the Glorious Revolution that gave Britain a King and a Queen at the same time, there's the Royalist Revolt leading to the 1660 Restoration, Britain is quite good at it.
Umm, no, that revolution created machines that finally gave the poor some chance of survivability. They already knew about hard work, don't doubt that.
There are various ways of looking at how much they take/give to Britain, but you should bear in mind that money spent in the tourist economy goes into private hands and, while VAT may be applicable in the UK, the remainder does not necessarily stay there. Then one has to pay for all one's bobbies, and replacement Land Rovers.
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The Glorious revolution was the first one I was referring to. It's not a subject I am an expert on, so I'll accept my summary may be way off. The other was just an offhanded joke.
And yeah, that tourist money doesn't stick around long. It would be nice if we had some industry, maybe mining, or steelworks or something. Oh, yeah, that's right...
EDIT: One must certainly accept that the French are far better at rioting, blood in the streets, civil unrest type of stuff than us. Not that I think bloody revolution is the way to do anything. We have enough case studies on that.
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No, obviously, but they do a lot of talking about the opinions of younger people, and play off the not so subtle implication that believing Brexit might be a good idea is a result of a desire for some abstract British cultural purity, or resistance to progressive politics, which isnt true. It isnt cognitive dissonance to hold liberal ideas and be against the EU.
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Correlation is not Causation. I'm sure Nationalists and Xenophobes voted leave, but I am also damn sure a lot of Socialists, particularly of the older generation, see it as a valuable opportunity to regain a certain degree of freedom to deal with issues we have on our doorstep. As well as aforementioned fishermen, and farmers who have spent the last 20 years leaving food crops to rot as it is the only tenable way for them to make money under EU regulations.
EDIT @matski, it is. A majority is a majority, regardless how narrow. That's a democracy for you!
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Sadly, until I get hold of the Infinity Gauntlet and snap all non voting adults out of existence, 17.4 million is not a majority of 53.2 million people. It may seem pedantic, but I'd rather be told "It's the will of the voter turnout on 23rd June 2016".
As Baldgye says though... perhaps a better discussion for the Brexit thread.
I'll vote Lib Dem or Green, or Brexit Party or UKIP. The former, because their policies seem to line-up with my beliefs, the latter because I've had it with society and the 'system' and either TBP or UKIP getting in will probably be a step towards bringing down these things.
In reality, these roles aren't going to matter come Halloween, so the real question voters should be asking themselves, is whose behavior is most likely to lead to an advantageous Brexit scenario... combative or collaborative.
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People not voting is on them. Voter apathy is amongst our leading problems, but if all those remaining millions were so passionate about remaining, they would have turned up to vote, just like (You and) I did.
But since multiple people seem unhappy with this being discussed here, and I am a new boi around these parts, I will respect your thread and not vent here further.
I appreciate how civil this discussion remained throughout.
Those are two pretty big extremes to swing from... I’m not sure what the Green’s stance even is nothing in their manifesto even mentions referendum or a second vote... the LibDems seem to be the only option that lines up with me politically... but I just don’t trust them
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They are politicians, pal, the last thing you should be doing is trusting them. I just try to vote for someone with a vested interest in improving things in my community in the broadest sense possible. Here in a Tory safe seat, with a healthy hatred of labour and a Green Party mired in awful election practices, it's rarely that straightforward.
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It is the EUP who get to decide if we can revoke it all though, and if we end up staying will have just as much say as they currently do. If you end up voting UKIP then that basically gives Mr Yaxley Lennon a say in Europe. (Through the party even if he doesn't take a seat assuming they get at least 1 seat)
Kinda what @Lizard said... but also it helps take power away from those who want to push through with the insanity that is Brexit regardless of the mounting losses
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Freddie Starr, the hebephile comedian, has died. The papers are treating this one quite carefully.
After a long career the two things he'll be remembered for most are the Newsnight documentary of 2012* which resulted in hundreds of reports against Jimmy Savile, and the strange documentary he did where he ranted about Light Entertainment in an empty theatre.
* Starr sued for libel but a judge found that he was lying and the the victim was telling the truth
After a long career the two things he'll be remembered for most are the Newsnight documentary of 2012* which resulted in hundreds of reports against Jimmy Savile, and the strange documentary he did where he ranted about Light Entertainment in an empty theatre.
* Starr sued for libel but a judge found that he was lying and the the victim was telling the truth
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The papers are treating it carefully, except of course the Metro who wanna talk about his massive unpaid water bill for some reason. Gotta love the media.
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right here; https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/10/fred...usands-unpaid-water-bills-time-death-9483388/
EDIT: this from the article you linked makes me sad.
After making headlines in the wake of Yewtree, the comedian resolved to move to Spain, revealing: ‘No matter which I way I turned there was a ****ing revolver pointing at my head so I thought: ‘I’m not going to tell anyone, I’m just going to get on a plane and go to Spain, the place I love, and this is where I’m going to die.’
Was there really indication this guy was a Savile like beast? I hear of one allegation of feeling up a girls leg in the 70s. Man, we really went on a ****ing witch hunt after that ****. Yknow, feeling up underage girls isnt exactly model behaviour, but Id hate to get lumped in with an actual demon like Jimmy for getting randy one night 40 years ago.
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ah yeah, I remember that documentary now. Real can of worms type ****, thought I can't say it was super surprising that the BBC weren't very well behaved in the 70s. I'm not sure anybody was. Not that I'm excusing any of it, ykno.
Also: rapacious nastiness. Nice. That's nice English right there. C wot u did.
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Leave has such a simple mandate and the media have given them such an all encompassing mouthpiece... it doesn’t matter the reality of what Brexit will do... and the Remain MP’s can’t get their **** together. Looking at that the only sensible vote as a Remainer, is the Lib Dem’s...Well, he wouldn't be the MEP we need, but he might be the MEP we deserve....
Anywho...as much as you can trust polls... seems it might be Farage's lot hurling abuse at their fellow MEP's, not Are Tommiey!11!
What a ****ing ****-show this country continues to be...
