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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • Total voters
    29
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It did sound like that at times.

I hate the way both Cameron and Miliband flatly refuse to discuss coalitions, much to the annoyance of the audience.

Miliband was also being deliberately obtuse. He point-blank ruled out a Labour-SNP coalition government, and yet today he is saying that he would form a government 'propped up' by the SNP on a 'vote-by-vote' basis (a term used by the SNP for months). OK, I get that this is not strictly speaking a formal coalition, but it is a de facto coalition and completely contradicts his key message from last night that he would rather lose than become Prime Minister of a government that depended on the SNP to operate.
 
Touring Mars
It did sound like that at times.

I hate the way both Cameron and Miliband flatly refuse to discuss coalitions, much to the annoyance of the audience.

Miliband was also being deliberately obtuse. He point-blank ruled out a Labour-SNP coalition government, and yet today he is saying that he would form a government 'propped up' by the SNP on a 'vote-by-vote' basis (a term used by the SNP for months). OK, I get that this is not strictly speaking a formal coalition, but it is a de facto coalition and completely contradicts his key message from last night that he would rather lose than become Prime Minister of a government that depended on the SNP to operate.
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Yeh, he clearly said yesterday that he wouldn't make any deal at all with the SNP, so it seems he's changed his mind then :lol: Also, I missed DCs bit, did I miss much?
 
Not really... but it was a considerably more assured performance from Cameron... however, against Miliband, that is not really saying much.
 
https://gritdigital.co.uk/infographics/uk-general-election/#2015-opinion-poll

Here we have a live pre-election opinion poll. Interestingly the greens are dominating it, holding almost every constituency in England and Wales, Scotland in entirely SNP, and Northern Ireland is mixed. Granted, it doesn't say how many have people have voted, but there's several votes a minute, or the demographic, but it's interesting nonetheless.
 
Robin.
It would be good if we could add a GTP election poll to this thread to gauge the feeling here.
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Should be a separate thread really....

Touring Mars
I hate the way both Cameron and Miliband flatly refuse to discuss coalitions, much to the annoyance of the audience.
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We're in a ridiculous position where it seems highly likely that a coalition will be formed... but no party can afford to support any other party's views before polling day. At least not until they actually have to coalesce.
 
PeterJB
https://gritdigital.co.uk/infographics/uk-general-election/#2015-opinion-poll

Here we have a live pre-election opinion poll. Interestingly the greens are dominating it, holding almost every constituency in England and Wales, Scotland in entirely SNP, and Northern Ireland is mixed. Granted, it doesn't say how many have people have voted, but there's several votes a minute, or the demographic, but it's interesting nonetheless.
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:lol: Shows how much balancing work the pollsters need to do to get the demographic right!

Says a lot though that the top 3 are Green, SNP and UKIP - internet people (which I assume will be mostly younger generations) seem entirely disenfranchised with the Westminster establishment.
 
TRGTspecialist
Says a lot though that
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I don't think it does - they're not providing a sample size and I can only think of one reason for that. For further reference, clicking on some of the constituencies reveals very round percentages - I can see constituencies with 20-30 votes and I've only found one over a hundred. Scale that up nationwide and you're looking at a sample size of about 26,000 - about half a thousandth of the electorate.


I've been aware of the site for a little while and it seems to have always been dominated by green. I've been wondering just how independent it is - perhaps it's a Facebook marketing tool for the Greens, to make people think "Loads of people are voting Green on Facebook"...
 
The small sample sizes and the results detached from what actual polls are showing would suggest that it's being passed around by small communities with majority support either for the Greens or UKIP.
 
It's quite bizarre - it's wildly inaccurate for the rest of the UK, but scarily realistic for Scotland.

50% of the vote and possibly 100% of the seats for the SNP. :rolleyes:

I voted tactically this time around, but I feel it is a waste of time anyway... I really do think that FPTP no longer works in the UK and that we need at least some form of PR.

Also:

http://news.sky.com/story/1475851/freudian-slip-pms-career-defining-mix-up
 
Famine
I don't think it does - they're not providing a sample size and I can only think of one reason for that. For further reference, clicking on some of the constituencies reveals very round percentages - I can see constituencies with 20-30 votes and I've only found one over a hundred. Scale that up nationwide and you're looking at a sample size of about 26,000 - about half a thousandth of the electorate.
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That's true. I'm just speculating off the back of other results here and there - it reminded me of the Twitter worms for the TV debates, which consistently ranked Green and SNP much more positively than the rest, and UKIP generating the most (but highly polarised) traffic. The amount of traffic would have been considerably more than this poll but I don't know what sample size that would have been coming from. But you're right, could be largely down to savvy supporters knowing how to share it round quickly and efficiently.

Either way it does show how good a job the pollsters do. They mostly use sample sizes of 1000-2000 I think, but thanks to good selection they can give much better accuracy than a "throw it out on Facebook" poll ever could.
 
I can't help but feel that PR would also make politicians far more open and upfront about their post election plans. None of this "the plan is to go it alone" (read: we don't want to form a stable government) nonsense.
 
Liquid
Stories like this are just empty column inches. It's a mathematical certainty that we are all related; it's just a matter of degrees.
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Alexander Armstrong is a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. No wonder he still gets shows on the royally-chartered BBC. Disgusting.
 
Liquid
Stories like this are just empty column inches. It's a mathematical certainty that we are all related; it's just a matter of degrees.
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DC is 13th cousin to Kim Kardashian. Allegedly.


TenEightyOne
Alexander Armstrong is a direct descendant of William the Conqueror.
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A Pointless piece of trivia?


The Telegraph posted a picture of the SNP's projected share of MPs in Scottish seats earlier... it looked familiar...

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So, with Kate's pregnancy quickly going nowhere (until today), the commercial news networks down here have lost patience with the whole thing, but nevertheless feel obliged to report on it ... which mostly amounts to interviewing die-hard royal enthusiasts decked out on a Union Jack motif and terrorising parking attendants as they camp outside the hospital.

So could someone - preferably one of our British members - please explain to me why outbursts of British patriotism look like a group of recently-escaped mental patients who have no idea what to do next?
 
I think it may be because we're not allowed to show it that often (lest we be accused of offending some bizarre tribe in the deepest reaches of Africa who have no TV, radio, or indeed electricity, who only heard about it because some fair-trade bint in a fair-trade jumper told them about it), that the sudden release of patriotism affects our brains someway and we can't control it. We're just not trained how to show it.

In the US, there is big business to be made in patriotism. Everyone and everywhere has a US flag, armed forces are immensely well treated compared to the UK (and so they should, we should treat them better here), it's more obvious and transparent.

In the UK, we treat anyone in uniform (not just armed forces) with utter contempt, we are shamed (not ashamed) to show any kind of pride in our country, its flag or its ideals, under the jackboot of multiculturalism. So when we do have something that the Left decide we can take pride in (a royal birth/wedding, a Brit in Wimbledon, etc.), we lose our heads.
 
This is going to sound really ignorant since I'm from the UK but who is Kate Middleton why is she on the TV and why does everyone give a damn about someone having a baby?
 
prisonermonkeys
So could someone - preferably one of our British members - please explain to me why outbursts of British patriotism look like a group of recently-escaped mental patients who have no idea what to do next?
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Because that's mostly what they are. Most fans of most things restrict themselves to paying extra attention to TV coverage, news and relevant publications.

Superfans go that extra mile... combine that with the British love of eccentricity and it becomes terrifying.

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DG_Silva
I think it may be because we're not allowed to show it that often (lest we be accused of offending some bizarre tribe in the deepest reaches of Africa who have no TV, radio, or indeed electricity, who only heard about it because some fair-trade bint in a fair-trade jumper told them about it), that the sudden release of patriotism affects our brains someway and we can't control it. We're just not trained how to show it.

In the US, there is big business to be made in patriotism. Everyone and everywhere has a US flag, armed forces are immensely well treated compared to the UK (and so they should, we should treat them better here), it's more obvious and transparent.

In the UK, we treat anyone in uniform (not just armed forces) with utter contempt, we are shamed (not ashamed) to show any kind of pride in our country, its flag or its ideals, under the jackboot of multiculturalism. So when we do have something that the Left decide we can take pride in (a royal birth/wedding, a Brit in Wimbledon, etc.), we lose our heads.
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This might be true in Birmingham, put around here (40 miles east of Birmingham), there is zero issue with showing your pride in being English, providing that's what you are actually doing (i.e. not wrapping a flag around a brick and throwing it through the local cornershop's window). I also can't think of any instance where I, or someone I know as been shamed for treating someone in uniform with the respect they deserve?
 

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