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I know it's from the Daily Mail, but here goes: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-racial-tensions-ahead-General-Election.html

Britain's second largest police force withheld a report about gangs of Muslim men grooming children in case it inflamed racial tensions ahead of a General Election, it was revealed today.

West Midlands Police were warned more than 100 predominantly white children - some as young as 13 - were at serious risk of child exploitation five years ago.

A document entitled 'Problem Profile, Operation Protection' from March 2010 reveals Asian gangs targeted schools and children's homes across the force area.

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Despite the warnings police did not warn the public or appeal for information about the men responsible and the report was only published this week under the Freedom of Information Act.

In one heavily redacted passage, the document reads: 'In (redacted) a teacher at a (redacted) that a group of Asian males were approaching pupils at the school gate and grooming them. Strong anecdotal evidence shows this MO (modus operandi) is being used across the force.

'Operations in other forces have identified an MO where offenders use a young girl in a children's home to target and groom other residents on their behalf.

'This has also been evidenced within the force in (redacted) and (redacted).

'The girl's motivation to recruit new victims is often that the provision of new girls provides her a way to escape the cycle of abuse.'

The report said police had identified a potential 139 victims, 78 per cent of whom were white while more than half were aged 13 to 15.

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It stated: 'The predominant offender profile of Pakistani Muslim males... combined with the predominant victim profile of white females has the potential to cause significant community tensions.

'There is a potential for a backlash against the vast majority of law abiding citizens from Asian/Pakistani communities from other members of the community believing their children have been exploited.

'These factors, combined with an EDL protest in Dudley in April and a General Election in May could notably increase community tension.

'Police will be criticised if it appears we have not safeguarded vulnerable children, investigated offences and prosecuted offenders.'

The lengthy report concluded authorities in the West Midlands needed to improve its care of missing care home children.

It stated: 'There is strong evidence in the vast majority of all cases that the victims are enticed, stupefied or controlled by alcohol and a mixture of controlled drugs.

While I'm not going to turn this post into a race issue (the report does list that there were men of other races involved in the case), the overwhelming number were of Asian origin, far higher than the proportional representation within Birmingham. But to hide this report just before the General Election, and keep it hidden so that the potential for it to continue happening, is completely wrong. Can't you tell the Labour party are everywhere? I understand the need to avoid any tension, but the deliberate endangerment of vulnerable people is wrong.
 
I know it's from the Daily Mail, but here goes: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-racial-tensions-ahead-General-Election.html



While I'm not going to turn this post into a race issue (the report does list that there were men of other races involved in the case), the overwhelming number were of Asian origin, far higher than the proportional representation within Birmingham. But to hide this report just before the General Election, and keep it hidden so that the potential for it to continue happening, is completely wrong. Can't you tell the Labour party are everywhere? I understand the need to avoid any tension, but the deliberate endangerment of vulnerable people is wrong.
How is this story related to the Labour party?
 
I know it's from the Daily Mail, but here goes: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-racial-tensions-ahead-General-Election.html



While I'm not going to turn this post into a race issue (the report does list that there were men of other races involved in the case), the overwhelming number were of Asian origin, far higher than the proportional representation within Birmingham. But to hide this report just before the General Election, and keep it hidden so that the potential for it to continue happening, is completely wrong. Can't you tell the Labour party are everywhere? I understand the need to avoid any tension, but the deliberate endangerment of vulnerable people is wrong.
Of course it is the Labour party. Despite many studies showing the police to be more conservative than the general population on average.
 
How is this story related to the Labour party?
Well with the Labour party came cover ups, cover ups on a mass scale to avoid rocking the boat - political correctness if you will. The biggest recently have been Rotherham, Trojan Horse and Mid Staffs. The ex-leader of the party when it really took off on its PC crusade is now on a Europe wide mission to shove PC down the throats of any country that will listen (or be forced to listen). The ex-leader from the election announced as part of his manifesto that Labour would criminalise all Islamophobia.

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While I'm not going to turn this post into a race issue (the report does list that there were men of other races involved in the case), the overwhelming number were of Asian origin, far higher than the proportional representation within Birmingham. But to hide this report just before the General Election, and keep it hidden so that the potential for it to continue happening, is completely wrong. Can't you tell the Labour party are everywhere? I understand the need to avoid any tension, but the deliberate endangerment of vulnerable people is wrong.
Well allow me to correct you and say it is a religious issue. The men are Pakistani, and as such Muslim. Sikhs, Hindu and Christian Asians do not do this, and if they do to nowhere near the same extent. Still, British Muslims are more preoccupied with far greater concerns at the moment to worry about sorting out their sex gangs.

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How is this story related to the Labour party?

Of course it is the Labour party. Despite many studies showing the police to be more conservative than the general population on average.

Well with the Labour party came cover ups, cover ups on a mass scale to avoid rocking the boat - political correctness if you will. The biggest recently have been Rotherham, Trojan Horse and Mid Staffs. The ex-leader of the party when it really took off on its PC crusade is now on a Europe wide mission to shove PC down the throats of any country that will listen (or be forced to listen). The ex-leader from the election announced as part of his manifesto that Labour would criminalise all Islamophobia.

Well allow me to correct you and say it is a religious issue. The men are Pakistani, and as such Muslim. Sikhs, Hindu and Christian Asians do not do this, and if they do to nowhere near the same extent. Still, British Muslims are more preoccupied with far greater concerns at the moment to worry about sorting out their sex gangs.

The first two quotes are to show why I didn't want to turn this into a race issue. There seems to be an overwhelming train of thought on this forum (and no, I'm not going to do 'teh MoDz R nothin but NAZIS!!!!11!!!!' thing at all) that is very pro-liberal. While right-wing articulation may not smacked down with the fervour that liberals tend to exhibit, it is held up to much more nay-saying and dismissal than left-wing biased comments.

So, to answer the two comments, the two recent police reports (here in Birmingham, the other in Rotherham) are in Labour-dominant areas, led by pro-liberal Chief Inspectors, under the thumb of Labour-led councils. The reason why the issues are ignored or covered-up is because they don't want to report that Labour's grand plan of 'Multiculturalism' has failed, and instead we have subsections of people who believe they are exempt from the law because of their poorly-disguised 'beliefs'.

Haitch, you probably are right in that the majority of rank and file officers are Conservative-leaning, but those at the top, those that make the decisions on the direction the forces take towards policing (how about crime-solving, regardless of politicisation? There's a novel thought!), are inevitably left-leaning. Which is why the police force is in such a mess.
 
It's silly. We have no problem saying Catholic Priests abuse kids instead of "White religious men", but instantly censor ourselves from saying "Muslim men" and instead opt for "predominantly Asian men". Absolute madness.
 
The first two quotes are to show why I didn't want to turn this into a race issue. There seems to be an overwhelming train of thought on this forum (and no, I'm not going to do 'teh MoDz R nothin but NAZIS!!!!11!!!!' thing at all) that is very pro-liberal. While right-wing articulation may not smacked down with the fervour that liberals tend to exhibit, it is held up to much more nay-saying and dismissal than left-wing biased comments.

So, to answer the two comments, the two recent police reports (here in Birmingham, the other in Rotherham) are in Labour-dominant areas, led by pro-liberal Chief Inspectors, under the thumb of Labour-led councils. The reason why the issues are ignored or covered-up is because they don't want to report that Labour's grand plan of 'Multiculturalism' has failed, and instead we have subsections of people who believe they are exempt from the law because of their poorly-disguised 'beliefs'.

Haitch, you probably are right in that the majority of rank and file officers are Conservative-leaning, but those at the top, those that make the decisions on the direction the forces take towards policing (how about crime-solving, regardless of politicisation? There's a novel thought!), are inevitably left-leaning. Which is why the police force is in such a mess.

Actions taken by liberals which result in disastrous unexpected consequences are said justified because they are motivated by ardent desire for change in the progressive direction.

Actions taken by conservatives which result in disastrous unexpected consequences cannot be justified with this same motivation for progress.
 
It's silly. We have no problem saying Catholic Priests abuse kids instead of "White religious men", but instantly censor ourselves from saying "Muslim men" and instead opt for "predominantly Asian men". Absolute madness.

Frankly, I'd rather not judge or prejudge someone on their ethnicity or religion and I find child rape abhorrent by anyone.

But for what it's worth, a news outlet in a majority white country* doesn't need to point out when someone is white yet might feel the need to do so when someone is not. Wrongly, I might add.

*Don't sting this with particular areas where it isn't true, I am talking about the country as a whole
 
Actions taken by liberals which result in disastrous unexpected consequences are said justified because they are motivated by ardent desire for change in the progressive direction.

Actions taken by conservatives which result in disastrous unexpected consequences cannot be justified with this same motivation for progress.

As long as your intention is liberalism that includes all, and not affirmative action that promotes all minorities at the expense of the majority.

I used to work in a betting office. After having one car stolen, high amounts of anti-social behaviour directed at me, violence, and more, I had to speak to several police officers. After talking to one who was helping me deal with another car of mine being damaged severely, I asked him what was going wrong in this particular area of Birmingham (most Brummies can guess where). He said that the rot had set in when Labour had got into power and insisted on a 'softly-softly' approach to policing where more effort is applied to trying not to offend than actual policing. I asked him what they could do, but he said, and I quote 'It's too late. It's about 10 years too late. We can't do anything'.

This is an example of where the left-leaning get it wrong, and it's the expense of us all. It's not just in terms of application of the law. In Birmingham we have Black History Month. Why not just History Month? We have Black Managers' meetings for the council-run care homes and other Social Care and Health locations. Why not manager's meetings? Why do we need to segregate into unnecessary divisions? These are the kind of things that liberals get wrong. It needs fixing.

Frankly, I'd rather not judge or prejudge someone on their ethnicity or religion and I find child rape abhorrent by anyone.

But for what it's worth, a news outlet in a majority white country* doesn't need to point out when someone is white yet might feel the need to do so when someone is not. Wrongly, I might add.

But because the reporting of such crimes is adjudged to be racist, and become accused of basing it on creed or religion is 'tarring everyone with the same brush', such clarifications need to be made. Where there is a distinct pattern occurring, or a correlation - read Rotherham, this case, and this article -
The Independant
The overall statistics give the lie to such claims. Greater Manchester Police, in whose area the offences took place, has declared that 95 per cent of the men on its sex offenders register are white. Just five per cent are Asian. But things do look different when the focus is narrowed to crimes involving groups of men grooming girls on the street. In 18 child sexual exploitation trials since 1997 – in Derby, Leeds, Blackpool, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield, Rochdale, Oldham and Birmingham – relating to the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by two or more men, most of those convicted were of Pakistani heritage.
- between the crime and the perpetrators, such clarifications need to be made so that potential victims can prepare and defend themselves. If we say 'all men are bastards, they're all going to rape you', you'll end up with a generation of women who are unable to form any kind of relationship because of the poisoning.

The defining differing characteristic of those involved was their race or origin. In the case of a Roman Catholic or a CofE priest involved in child abuse, the overwhelming differing characteristic is that they are a priest (usually the denomination is given).
 
Report backing expansion of Heathrow with Gatwick as a viable alternative.

Most likely option is a third runway at Healthrow. Which would necessitate the destruction of a 1,000 year old village listed in the Doomsday book. We really don't care about our own historical heritage do we.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33340565
 
I thought the Government had already ruled out a 3rd runway at Heathrow.

Can't see it happening myself... far too much public opposition.
 
I thought the Government had already ruled out a 3rd runway at Heathrow.

They have, as have Johnson (likely to be PM candidate in 2020) and Goldsmith (looking to replace Johnson as Mayor). I think the in-the-Thames option is the best option myself, but that said London has reached transport capacity (and exceeded it) in many ways.
 
Does London establish its own transportation policy? Does Uber operate in London?

Does London establish or otherwise manage its own immigration policy?

Presumably Boris was voted into office. What does it take to become a voting citizen of London?
 
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I'm 99% sure London doesn't have its own immigration policy, it's not some sort of city-state like Hong Kong or Singapore. However, it does have a local government body called Transport for London, which is in charge of managing public transport in the city.
 
Report backing expansion of Heathrow with Gatwick as a viable alternative.

Most likely option is a third runway at Healthrow. Which would necessitate the destruction of a 1,000 year old village listed in the Doomsday book. We really don't care about our own historical heritage do we.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33340565


As someone sick of the seemingly London/South East-centric nature of Government and the media. I'm pleased, i'd also say why not add a forth one whilst your at it. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
 
I was born and grew up in a Doomsday town. Absolute crap hole. They could build it over that if they wanted to.
 
I was born and grew up in a Doomsday town. Absolute crap hole. They could build it over that if they wanted to.
Maybe move it to Nevada like they did with London Bridge. Really, it's the Tower of London we want, plus Stonehenge.Pave 'em over once they're gone and you won't miss them.
 
But contrary to popular belief, the financier of the New London Bridge project did know he was getting London Bridge and not Tower Bridge.
 
If there's blame, then just Google image 'London Bridge'...

Well, that's how a search engine enquiry works. It just cross references the words you search for. More people are going to search for Tower Bridge without knowing its name so 'london bridge' and 'that famous bridge in london' or 'tower bridge, london' will come up with similar results.
 
From the Domesday Book to Google in one short leap.

From the Dark Age history I remember, writing was a totally lost art everywhere in the realm, except for one tiny island monastery in the Irish Sea.
 
From the Domesday Book to Google in one short leap.

From the Dark Age history I remember, writing was a totally lost art everywhere in the realm, except for one tiny island monastery in the Irish Sea.

Lindisfarne. After the whole illuminated-writing thing dried up they had a great folk band.
 
As a lefty looking at a Tory budget I am actually quite pleased by that. I thought the cuts would be bigger.

And £9 minimum wage? Bloody hell that is only 50 pence shy of this $15 demand in the states, £1 more than Labour promised and £1 less than the Greens wanted.
 
If the £9 minimum wage were to come in next year then that would be a pleasant surprise, but by the time it does come in to force it probably won't seem like any significant gain.

I also wonder whether low-ish end jobs that currently pay around £1 above the minimum wage will continue to have a £1 margin above it or whether they are going to pay the minimum wage only.
 
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