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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%

  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
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Since no-one's done it yet I'm gonna list the 2019 grid in order of Hitler's racial approval:

Vettel - ethnic German
Huelkenberg - ethnic German
Verstappen - ethnic Dutch "honorary Aryan"
Magnussen - Scandinavian "honorary Aryan"
Norris - British "honorary Aryan"
Russell - British "honorary Aryan"
Stroll - Canadian, presumably of British descent, therefore "honorary Aryan"
Grosjean - half Swiss half French, with an ancestor called "Brandt" suggesting some German heritage
Gasly - French
Leclerc - Monegasque, possible Mediterranean descent
Raikkonen - Finn
Bottas - Finn
Ricciardo - Australian of Mediterranean descent
Giovinazzi - Italian - Mediterranean descent
Sainz - Hispanic
Perez - Hispanic
Kyvat - Slav
Kubica - Slav
Albon - mixed race - half British, half Thai
Hamilton - mixed race - half British, half West Indies

You missed that Norris and Verstappen are half Belgian, and that Hamilton is half African West Indian, there's a clear difference between the two types of the descendant populations of the West Indies, not that Hamilton was making the list :)

You should also avoid the myth that country of naturalisation equates to Aryanism, that isn't how it works. You will need the papieren of their grandparents for further checks, tell them to report to the Rathaus. And talk to their neighbours.
 
You missed that Norris and Verstappen are half Belgian, and that Hamilton is half African West Indian, there's a clear difference between the two types of the descendant populations of the West Indies, not that Hamilton was making the list :)

You should also avoid the myth that country of naturalisation equates to Aryanism, that isn't how it works. You will need the papieren of their grandparents for further checks, tell them to report to the Rathaus. And talk to their neighbours.

My mistake, though it has no effect on their status as Belgians were as "honorary Aryan" as the Dutch and Hitler presumably thought as little of Africans as he did of Native Americans. Had he conquered the UK then Stroll probably could've been goaded here under some British equivalent of the Volksdeutsche program, assuming the only alternative is having daddy Lawrence and the rest of Racing Point shot.
 
My mistake, though it has no effect on their status as Belgians were as "honorary Aryan"

True, but the Japanese and Han Chinese made that list (under Hitler's mad Herrenfolk doctrine). When push came to shove one would be required to provide proof of ancestry.
 
Ok, now this is getting weird … :p

So … apparently the IMF after some very frenchy years is apparently going brit (or canadian). Would you vote Osborne or Carney?
 
Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested and charged with sex trafficking girls as young as 14. He could face 45 years in prison, and many of his rich and famous friends are nervous about getting caught up in the bag. Prince Andrew has been accused by one of the victims, Ghislaine Maxwell has been accused of working as his madam, and the list is very long, including Trump and Clinton.
 
He could have been supported by our government, he was doing his job. Instead he was thrown away and is now being lambasted as an elitist.

The leak and the total lack of support was all premeditated. The extreme right wanted him gone, and this was a clear hit job.
 
It's already the case that the UK is tied too tightly to the US. When Bojo installs a pol in lieu of a career diplomat as US ambassador and proceeds to Brexit, the poodle status is set in stone. I expect to see independence movements in Ireland and Scotland.
 
I can only assume Trump has not been shown the many negative comments Johnson has publicly made about him.

"Trump has betrayed a quite stupefying ignorance that makes him, frankly, unfit to hold the office of president of the United States.”

"Crime has been falling steadily in both London and New York - and the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump."

"I am genuinely worried that he could become president."

"Donald Trump's ill-informed comments are complete and utter nonsense."

"I would welcome the president to London, except that I wouldn’t want to expose Londoners to any unnecessary risk of meeting Donald Trump.”


 
I can only assume Trump has not been shown the many negative comments Johnson has publicly made about him.

"Trump has betrayed a quite stupefying ignorance that makes him, frankly, unfit to hold the office of president of the United States.”

"Crime has been falling steadily in both London and New York - and the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump."

"I am genuinely worried that he could become president."

"Donald Trump's ill-informed comments are complete and utter nonsense."

"I would welcome the president to London, except that I wouldn’t want to expose Londoners to any unnecessary risk of meeting Donald Trump.”

Well done Bozza! Grade A material from an ex-foreign secretary right there.
 
He could have been supported by our government, he was doing his job. Instead he was thrown away and is now being lambasted as an elitist.

The leak and the total lack of support was all premeditated. The extreme right wanted him gone, and this was a clear hit job.
You are talking total rubbish. Once this leak happened his usefulness as an Ambassador ENDED. He should have been recalled by May and given the usual golden parachute ambassadors typically get at the end of their career.

The problem was the leak. What was the motivation for someone who, if they are British, committed treason? And no. I don't buy into anything you have suggested.
 
You are talking total rubbish. Once this leak happened his usefulness as an Ambassador ENDED. He should have been recalled by May and given the usual golden parachute ambassadors typically get at the end of their career.

The problem was the leak. What was the motivation for someone who, if they are British, committed treason? And no. I don't buy into anything you have suggested.

From the FT

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However, the failure of Boris Johnson, a former foreign secretary, to back Britain’s man in Washington proved the final straw. Had the favourite to be the next prime minister stood by the diplomat, who was due to leave his post at the end of the year, Sir Kim might have been tempted to see if the storm would pass. But Mr Johnson’s refusal to support him in a televised debate with his opponent Jeremy Hunt will only have encouraged the US president to keep up the pressure.


Maybe you’ll clue them in too?
 
Is this how I should have responded to your original reply?
Again. AFTER the LEAK he had ZERO future as an Ambassador. Can you not work that one out? Literally nothing else matters. At. All. That is not opinion. It is called realism.
 
Russian spies did it.
LONDON - UK officials are investigating whether the Russian government hacked secret diplomatic memos which branded Donald Trump " inept and incompetent," Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt has confirmed.

Hunt said the possibility of a Russian cyber-attack to steal a huge tranche of memos written by Sir Kim Darroch, the UK ambassador in Washington, is now an official line of inquiry.

The so-called "Diplomatic telegrams" sent by Darroch to senior UK officials revealed an unfavourable assessment of the current President and his "Dysfunctional" White House administration, prompting a major Foreign Office investigation into the source of the leak.

The inquiry into who leaked the tranche of documents initially focused on senior UK politicians and officials, but senior Foreign Office figures now believe an enemy government hoping to destabilise relations between Western powers could have been behind it.

The Foreign Office Minister Alan Duncan said on Monday that they were "not ruling out" the possibility of a hostile state being behind the leak.

Conservative MP Tom Tugendhat, chair of the Foreign Affairs select committee, on Monday asked the police to investigate the leak, saying: "How can officials give honest advice to politicians if it is stored and leaked for petty point scoring? This is deeply damaging to the integrity of the UK and must be investigated by the police immediately.

Or maybe the CIA did it.
 
Again. AFTER the LEAK he had ZERO future as an Ambassador. Can you not work that one out? Literally nothing else matters. At. All. That is not opinion. It is called realism.

Oh, I thought it was just your opinion. That is why I followed up my opinion with the similar opinion of a qualified commentator, for the FT.

Is your opinion ‘realism’ because it’s in caps?
 
Oh, I thought it was just your opinion. That is why I followed up my opinion with the similar opinion of a qualified commentator, for the FT.

Is your opinion ‘realism’ because it’s in caps?
Is there a way for you to explain how someone who acts on UK/USA issues as an Ambassador can survive in that position after that leak? Seriously.

Even suggesting Johnson should do anything when he is not the relevant minister is the kind of reach that suggests someone has been out in the sun too long.

Hunt is the relevent minister. Has he said anything?

May should have recalled him. Straight away. There really isn't anything else you could ever have done the moment the leak was reported.
 
Is there a way for you to explain how someone who acts on UK/USA issues as an Ambassador can survive in that position after that leak? Seriously.

Even suggesting Johnson should do anything when he is not the relevant minister is the kind of reach that suggests someone has been out in the sun too long.

Hunt is the relevent minister. Has he said anything?

May should have recalled him. Straight away. There really isn't anything else you could ever have done the moment the leak was reported.

Is there a way for you to calm down?

As the FT article I linked mentioned, Boris is the PM in all but name at the moment and political support from him could have meant that the ambassador could have survived, at least until his term ends at the end of this year.

It would have put the ball in Trump’s corner. Trump very clearly wanted him gone as he openly wants Farage as ambassador to the US.
If Boris or indeed anyone with as much political might (is there anyone at the moment in government?) had backed our now former ambassador, then it would have meant that Trump and his government would have potentially have to go after our whole government over someone doing his job.
Once (if) he had the support of our government, the government could launch an investigation into how and why this criminal leak was carried out and prosecute those responsible.
By the time you’ve done all that, the year is over and we get a new ambassador.


Part of the reason I linked that FT article you didn’t bother to read, was because it explained all of that in far more eloquent manner.

See, your original statement wasn’t really that radical, and to be honest it was a position I also held not so long ago (prior to his resignation). So there was no real need for all the dramatics, was there?
 
Is there a way for you to calm down?

As the FT article I linked mentioned, Boris is the PM in all but name at the moment and political support from him could have meant that the ambassador could have survived, at least until his term ends at the end of this year.

It would have put the ball in Trump’s corner. Trump very clearly wanted him gone as he openly wants Farage as ambassador to the US.
If Boris or indeed anyone with as much political might (is there anyone at the moment in government?) had backed our now former ambassador, then it would have meant that Trump and his government would have potentially have to go after our whole government over someone doing his job.
Once (if) he had the support of our government, the government could launch an investigation into how and why this criminal leak was carried out and prosecute those responsible.
By the time you’ve done all that, the year is over and we get a new ambassador.


Part of the reason I linked that FT article you didn’t bother to read, was because it explained all of that in far more eloquent manner.

See, your original statement wasn’t really that radical, and to be honest it was a position I also held not so long ago (prior to his resignation). So there was no real need for all the dramatics, was there?
I am calm. The moment the leak happened his position became untenable. This is not debatable. May is the PM. The response can only come from her. She should have recalled him. I cannot see any other possible response that wouldn't have looked totally stupid and put the ambassador in the position he was then put in. No amount of we have confidence in our man would ever change that. From anyone. Except Trump. And good luck with that one!

Unless actual evidence can be brought forward, and that so isn't going to happen, as to how this happened and why no one can say anyone specifically was behind it.
 
Is there a way for you to explain how someone who acts on UK/USA issues as an Ambassador can survive in that position after that leak? Seriously.

Even suggesting Johnson should do anything when he is not the relevant minister is the kind of reach that suggests someone has been out in the sun too long.

Hunt is the relevent minister. Has he said anything?

May should have recalled him. Straight away. There really isn't anything else you could ever have done the moment the leak was reported.

Do you think Sir Kim was dishonest in his appraisal? It seems to me that throughout this he's done his job - report the honest, brutal truth to Westminster. Trump hasn't done his job - at least he hasn't followed the normal protocol to declare Sir Kim persona non grata. Downing Street didn't recall him because he'd done nothing wrong. The only wrongdoing was the leak of classified diplomatic reports.

With one of the two Prime Ministerial candidates refusing to support him I'm not surprised Sir Kim resigned, it's a complete betrayal by his employer.
 
The only wrongdoing was the leak of classified diplomatic reports.

But what if it was a hack?
Was it a leak or a hack?
The Foreign Office has repeatedly called the incident a "leak" rather than a "hack". It originally described the incident as "mischievous" but launched a formal inquiry on Sunday.

Foreign Office minister Sir Alan Duncan dismissed the idea that the disclosure was part of a conspiracy or "Brexit plan" and called it "a despicable leak," adding that "the first premise is that it is a leak from within".

A Whitehall source told The Times: "The involvement of hostile state actors has not been ruled out" - but Downing Street said there is no evidence to suggest the involvement of foreign powers.

How many people had access to the emails?
Asked if ministers, MPs and special advisors would be investigated, the Foreign Office said that it will be for the inquiry to decide who is looked at.

On the question of how many people within government would typically see cables from an ambassador, Sir Alan said that although he was guessing, it could be around 100 people depending on classification.

An ex-British ambassador to the US and a close friend of Sir Kim's said there was a "possible range of villains" who potentially could have released the emails.

Sir Christopher Meyer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It was clearly somebody who set out deliberately to sabotage Sir Kim's ambassadorship, to make his position untenable and to have him replaced by somebody more congenial to the leaker."

How do you investigate a leak?
In the Commons, there have been calls for the police to investigate amid widespread anger at the diplomatic fall-out.

Tom Tugendhat, chairman of the Commons foreign affairs committee, told MPs he had written to Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick to "ask that a criminal investigation also be opened".

Sir Alan said police could become involved if evidence of wrongdoing over the leak is found, telling the Commons: "If evidence of criminality is found, then yes, the police could be involved."

In April, following the Huawei leak, Lord O'Donnell, the former head of the Civil Service, revealed that officials in this type of situation may decide to investigate the mobile phone and e-mail records of people with access to the information to try to find who was responsible.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48921235
 
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