Bugatti Veyron French?

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I was playing in b-spec, trying to level my useless driver up, when i found the Bugatti that i just won works for the French event (amateur cup). I thought Bugatti was owned by Volkswagen and that was German or something, so no idea how this works, but made winning the event as easy as it was in gt4 b spec
 
Bugatti are a French company owned by VW, a German company. GT defines locale by the manufacturer, not who owns them. Just as it should be. Otherwise, Lamborghini, Bentley, SEAT and Mini would be German, too.
 
Although the car is designed by Volkswagen and the resurrected company now owned by VW, the original Bugatti company was French (although Ettore Bugatti himself was an Italian) - but even today the Veyrons are actually still built in France (Molsheim).
 
Fusion
Bugatti are a French company owned by VW, a German company. GT defines locale by the manufacturer, not who owns them. Just as it should be. Otherwise, Lamborghini, Bentley, SEAT and Mini would be German, too.
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Yes but that's the strange thing, Mini IS German in GT5. I know it is in RL, but then what you just said wouldn't make sense either.
 
Mygroth
Yes but that's the strange thing, Mini IS German in GT5. I know it is in RL, but then what you just said wouldn't make sense either.
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The new MINI is no where near being British.

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Having a quick read of this article, the new MINI is a completely different brand. The only thing that links it to the original is the name.
 
RobJackson85
The new MINI is no where near being British.

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Having a quick read of this article, the new MINI is a completely different brand. The only thing that links it to the original is the name.
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True, but the old Rover Mini is also classed as German on GT5 too..
 
It would't make any sense to list the cars under the country the company is owned by. If this would be the case Jaguar would be indian, Opel american, Lotus malaysian and so on.

The would only create a massive confusion

what bothers me though is that the old Mini is listed as german too.
 
Bugatti's nationality is a very interesting subject.

It was founded in Molsheim, Germany by an Italian: Etorre Bugatti.

After WWI border changes, the factory was located in France, and through the 20s it was basically synonymous with French racing (As well as being some of the fastest and most beautiful cars in the world).

After Etorre Bugatti's death, the company floundered. However, Romano Artioli, an Italian, resurrected the name in the 80s and unveiled the EB110 on Etorre's 110th birthday. The factory was in Italy and company was then considered Italian.

Artioli ended up selling Bugatti to the German Volkswagen group in 1997, and Bugatti is now considered French again, with their headquarters and factory returning to Molsheim, France.
 
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pippin4652
True, but the old Rover Mini is also classed as German on GT5 too..
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No way, really!?!?!?!?

That's so out of order, it's one of the most iconic British cars ever.

However, as the other posts mentioned if BMW bought the right's to the Mini name and brand I guess this is why, but still...

Imagine if Italy wasn't recognised as the home of Ferrari, there'd be absolute outrage.

Ok, the Mini is a totally different kind of car to a Ferrari (and Ferrari is a company whereas the Mini is just a single car), but it's a historic, cult and iconic car that is traditionally been linked to Britain, because, funnily enough it's BRITISH.

But now it's German??

:confused:
 
I kind of disagree with the Mini in GT5. Bugatti, for example, is owned by Volkswagen but is French because the factory is there.

Mini is owned by BMW, but aren't classified as British, even though they're assembled in Britain.
 
Interesting stuff.

I thought it was odd to see the Alfa Romeo race car in the German Touring Car Championship extreme race - aren't they an Italian car manufacturer?
 
the.hatter
Interesting stuff.

I thought it was odd to see the Alfa Romeo race car in the German Touring Car Championship extreme race - aren't they an Italian car manufacturer?
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Yes, but the DTM Alfa 155 raced in the DTM both as factory and private teams for many years - it is an actual, genuine DTM car.

Even won the championship once, I think...not sure though...
 
The only one that annoyed me is the old Mini being classified as German. The New Mini is pretty much a BMW just using the Mini name for what I care.

The confusing bit for me is where cars like the Ford RS200 can enter the British Lightweights championship, whilst the GT's enter the American events. It's annoying how Polyphony can correctly distinguish these two correctly, yet can't distinguish the classic Mini as British.
 
The confusing bit for me is where cars like the Ford RS200 can enter the British Lightweights championship, whilst the GT's enter the American events. It's annoying how Polyphony can correctly distinguish these two correctly, yet can't distinguish the classic Mini as British.
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Good point, should be patched.... The only problem is, I've tried reporting bugs to PD, but I can't find an official forum, address or something like it to do so. I'm looking for a forum where official members of PD can be contacted.
 
RobJackson85
The new MINI is no where near being British.

Source

Having a quick read of this article, the new MINI is a completely different brand. The only thing that links it to the original is the name.
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Have you read this article!!!! If anything wikipedia states that the new mini is built in britain and therefore probably designed in britain (and the design incorparates classic elements of the the old British Mini) I used to think that this was probably a German car but now I'm not so sure. In the game all the Minis should be British if the Bugatti is french.

Shame the game doesn't have one of the old bugatti grand prix cars from the 1930s era
 
About the old Mini, I think PD should try to get a license/arrangement to class it as Morris/Austin/BMC, because those were the original brands of the old Mini. (Or do something like with Dodge in GT1)
 
Ettore Bugatti would roll over in his grave if he knew his a Bugatti was represented as German in a Gran Turismo game.


or something
 
Tompie913
After Etorre Bugatti's death, the company floundered. However, Romano Artioli, an Italian, resurrected the name in the 80s and unveiled the EB110 on Etorre's 110th birthday. The factory was in Italy and company was then considered Italian.
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Bugatti actually never went away, it just became a manufacturer of aircraft parts. It's been merged with many other companies over the years but still exists.
 
SO choose your side

1 - If design comes from another country, does that make the brand from that country ?
2 - If the car is manufactured in another country, does that make the brand from that country ?
3 - Does legacy count ?


As a French, I don't even think the Buggati Veyron is 50% French. Nor the new Minis and Lamborghini British and Italian.
Especially when you see how the VW group changed the initial point of Lamborghini, "**** ferrari".
 
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Mygroth
Exactly my point. Not making sense.
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Highlandor
No way, really!?!?!?!?

That's so out of order, it's one of the most iconic British cars ever.

However, as the other posts mentioned if BMW bought the right's to the Mini name and brand I guess this is why, but still...

Imagine if Italy wasn't recognised as the home of Ferrari, there'd be absolute outrage.

Ok, the Mini is a totally different kind of car to a Ferrari (and Ferrari is a company whereas the Mini is just a single car), but it's a historic, cult and iconic car that is traditionally been linked to Britain, because, funnily enough it's BRITISH.

But now it's German??

:confused:
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Hanswurst2k
It would't make any sense to list the cars under the country the company is owned by. If this would be the case Jaguar would be indian, Opel american, Lotus malaysian and so on.

The would only create a massive confusion

what bothers me though is that the old Mini is listed as german too.
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GTP_Ingram
True, but the old Rover Mini is also classed as German on GT5 too..
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RobJackson85
The new MINI is no where near being British.

Source

Having a quick read of this article, the new MINI is a completely different brand. The only thing that links it to the original is the name.
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Strictly speaking, the new MINI is British as well. It was conceived by Rover in the late 90's when BMW owned Rover, and only when Rover went bust did BMW take over the project.
 
Highlandor
Yes, but the DTM Alfa 155 raced in the DTM both as factory and private teams for many years - it is an actual, genuine DTM car.

Even won the championship once, I think...not sure though...
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It won 12 of 20 races in its debut season (1993), winning both driver and manufacturer championships.

I read that in the decription yesterday when i bought the car in the game.
 

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