Bugatti Veyron fully tuned best time Nordschleife

[RX-7_FD3S]

Letting go the braking safety net doesnt equal that you're good, it just show that you prefer to play without assist which is totaly fine but it doesnt make you faster or better. Maybe for your own pride you'll think that you're better but most people dont care. Unless you're in a racing series that use no abs I dont see the point.

I have a question for you Orido (good nickname btw <3 Orido)

Which would you recon is better :

A: 1.30.352 lap time with abs or
B: 1.31.352 lap time without abs ?

Which is the best player A or B ?

 

[rosckolove]

They had a hard time because they didn't take the time to feel it out, like i already stated.

Besides, the point of my post wasn't to argue with you about skill/aids/preferences.

I was trying to point out how annoying it is when...........

-someone asks a question about racing soft tires.
-someone asks a question about sports or comfort tires.
-someone asks a question about car handling in general.
-someone asks about time trials.
-someone posts a new hot lap time.
-someone asks anything at all.

and someone like you comes in and says stuff like "well since your using a different tire then me, its not a valid lap time. I drive under the most challenging circumstances ever, and your a noob for doing anything different"

Good for you bro. good for you.

But remember, my racing soft using noobyness ran over a second faster then you on the last time trial in the 458 with comfort whatever tires, after 20 minutes or so of trying.

cheers.

mate.

EDIT- to the guy above me, A is the better driver, for going faster.

if you master driving without ABS, isn't it faster then using ABS anyway?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Letting go the braking safety net doesnt equal that you're good, it just show that you prefer to play without assist which is totaly fine but it doesnt make you faster or better. Maybe for your own pride you'll think that you're better but most people dont care. Unless you're in a racing series that use no abs I dont see the point.

I have a question for you Orido (good nickname btw <3 Orido)

Which would you recon is better :

A: 1.30.352 lap time with abs or
B: 1.31.352 lap time without abs ?

Which is the best player A or B ?

B, hands down, the faster lap time for me is useless as the driver being helped by the game to prevent wheel lock up, thus lessening the driver involvement in braking. I would value the slower time better as it was done without any assistance by the game. Why ? ABS is the cool word for brake assist, once you drive without it, you'll see the difference, you will drive with more involvement in braking.

It my seem to be hard at start, but the reward is huge, a totally different kind of experience, every braking is not just simple stab on the brake hard - relying on the game making sure you make it perfectly to enter a corner every time. You are on your own, every corner entry is adventure that take demands in concentration, skills and accuracy.

Mind you, it's all just my opinion and preference, since I never use one, I find that when enabling ABS makes the driving sterile, lifeless and like being given Godly assurance, it won't lock up - relax, mash the brake and hang on.

They had a hard time because they didn't take the time to feel it out, like i already stated.

Besides, the point of my post wasn't to argue with you about skill/aids/preferences.

I was trying to point out how annoying it is when...........

-someone asks a question about racing soft tires.
-someone asks a question about sports or comfort tires.
-someone asks a question about car handling in general.
-someone asks about time trials.
-someone posts a new hot lap time.
-someone asks anything at all.

and someone like you comes in and says stuff like "well since your using a different tire then me, its not a valid lap time. I drive under the most challenging circumstances ever, and your a noob for doing anything different"

Good for you bro. good for you.

But remember, my racing soft using noobyness ran over a second faster then you on the last time trial in the 458 with comfort whatever tires, after 20 minutes or so of trying.

cheers.

mate.

I couldn't care less about someone using better tires to get better lap time than me, even more so if he/she uses aids. I don't even care about aliens

 

[D-Max]

Because their grip levels are too high, it takes most of the challenge away. I'd be much more impressed with someone doing this with racing hard tyres at the very most.

Because they use the grip from the tyres. They don't demand a finer setup like Sports tyres do.

 

[rosckolove]

Because they use the grip from the tyres. They don't demand a finer setup like Sports tyres do.

They don't demand a finer tune for what? going fast?

maybe that takes the cake as the dumbest thing i have read recently..

@ ridox

i used a 458 italia, in the TT event. without ABS. i was 1 second faster then you, after 20 minutes.
using a an Italia tuned for 600pp with racing softs. All i did was lower the power limiter to achieve 550pp (obviously) changed to the correct tires and adjusted the camber. It was a Seasonal event with tire restrictions. why would you even say i used a better tire?

after that, i switched to what everyone else was using, a gallardo with abs. at one point i was 113th, after 20 minutes. thus my italia time was erased.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Elitism at its best, lol.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

@ ridox

i used a 458 italia, in the TT event. without ABS. i was 1 second faster then you, after 20 minutes.
using a an Italia tuned for 600pp with racing softs. All i did was lower the power limiter to achieve 550pp (obviously) changed to the correct tires and adjusted the camber. It was a Seasonal event with tire restrictions. why would you even say i used a better tire?

after that, i switched to what everyone else was using, a gallardo with abs. at one point i was 113th, after 20 minutes. thus my italia time was erased.

Should I take your word ? It does not matter if you are faster than me, good on you, just like everyone else who uses ABS being faster than me - they do not concern me at all. There's always better driver or better tune, who knows ? If you think a faster lap time gained by having braking assisted by the game is better than without, I am lost for word.

ABS in GT5 is not comparable to actual ABS at all, which is why most no ABS time are slower than with ABS. It is easier to get faster time when braking is as simple as applying full brake force without any much risk of locking up, and even much harder driving with no ABS in a very close race - you should try it sometime and see how much ABS takes away your driving experience.
Check here for more testament about driving without ABS :

Race without ABS - the difference

Read the whole thread is even better, then try it yourself if you are really interested to go the next level - getting the most out of GT5 driving dynamics - no assist
About better tire, you said it yourself previously ...remember this

But remember, my racing soft using noobyness ran over a second faster then you on the last time trial in the 458 with comfort whatever tires, after 20 minutes or so of trying.

That's why I though maybe you did a free run with similar PP

 

[rosckolove]

ok so i literally have to ask now. can you read?

i didn't use ABS on the 458. your unreal man... unreal.

just forget it man. i will just have to ignore you pushing your opinion that you are better because of your driving options view on everyone. i should have just done that from the beginning and not even replied. my mistake..

 

[TJC_69]

Is the 6.10 sec time set on practice mode or lounge physics ? Just out of curiosity .

I might have a crack at this tomorrow , looks fun !!

 

[praiano63]

Is the 6.10 sec time set on practice mode or lounge physics ? Just out of curiosity .

I might have a crack at this tomorrow , looks fun !!

It's practice mode. Till now i'm 6:05.148. You're right it's very fun. I had a lot of fun today setting this 1218HP monster to not fly away around the ring.
I'll not enter in any polemic, i don't care at all.
What tires, abs, no abs,..... never mind. Don't lose time with this , go driving everybody. The way you want.


><(((((°>°°°°°°°°°

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

It's practice mode. Till now i'm 6:05.148. You're right it's very fun. I had a lot of fun today setting this 1218HP monster to not fly away around the ring.
I'll not enter in any polemic, i don't care at all.
What tires, abs, no abs,..... never mind. Don't lose time with this , go driving everybody. The way you want.


><(((((°>°°°°°°°°°

Just gave this a try Praiano. You're right, even with RS tires, it is still quite a challenge. After a few tries, got my time down to 6:06.251. No aids, ABS1. Not as elite as some but hey, if I want realism, I'll jump in my real car and go for a spin, lol. It has drum brakes and no ABS, lol.

 

[TJC_69]

Just gave this a try Praiano. You're right, even with RS tires, it is still quite a challenge. After a few tries, got my time down to 6:06.251. No aids, ABS1. Not as elite as some but hey, if I want realism, I'll jump in my real car and go for a spin, lol. It has drum brakes and no ABS, lol.

The exhaust is currently blowing on my IRL ride .... wish we could simulate that !

Nice time by the way 👍

It's practice mode. Till now i'm 6:05.148. You're right it's very fun. I had a lot of fun today setting this 1218HP monster to not fly away around the ring.
I'll not enter in any polemic, i don't care at all.
What tires, abs, no abs,..... never mind. Don't lose time with this , go driving everybody. The way you want.

><(((((°>°°°°°°°°°

Yeah i'll try it in practice mode tomorrow for sure . It's currently 3.13am here
That's quick and this car is one hell of a beast to ride
Yeah , I dislike all of these elitist arguments , there's no need . A game is a game , a car is a car etc ...

My attempts will be no aids apart from ABS 1 , on race soft for grippyness . Just to give a baseline kinda check . Might bring out the DFGT just for the lolz also

 

[iainoflo85]

go driving everybody. The way you want.

I've already seen another thread about this kind of thing, but about tires. I totally agree with you Praiano - that for me is all that matters, that I get fun out of driving, not because I care about the best lap times or the best experience with all aids off on CS tires etc. For me thats icing on the cake, if I can drive a car like the Veyron around the ring with all aids on and still get a 6.05 I'd be really happy because that's a great time for that car. So the point is, that's what drives me, getting better, but I know I probably wouldn't be switching to CS tires anytime soon because most of Praiano's tunes, which I use almost exclusively, are not made for them in mind.

So thank you Praiano for a great garage of tunes, I shall keep using them until I learn enough about tuning myself.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I've said this in another thread but I'll said it again :

I see a pattern here, anybody can drive without ABS if they want and willing to practice ... it's not a special ability, ABS drivers are so used to the comfort of applying brakes without risk that maybe they view no ABS as certain doom. Now, why the reaction of certain people are always the same when someone mention no ABS - negativity.

I really don't care if people hates me or considers me elitists, exclusives or minorities or whatever, I am proud of myself of willing to challenge myself, willing to risk, and going further than just relying on the game helping me braking - even with a dire consequences of slower lap times.

Now, the real question ... Why does everyone who used to drive with ABS having a hard time about no ABS ? Don't give me preference or the way of playing as answer, if that's the real reason, there won't be such calling of elitism, or negative reactions. I am suspecting the fear factor or unwillingness to go to a new territory.

Those fast and alien drivers who always stuck with ABS all the time, I kept wondering, if they have the talent, why waste it by driving with aid and not going further and better with their talent by taking off the braking aid, while someone like me who are not that fast or talented willing to drive without one even at risk of getting slower and I still can enjoy it.

Hate me all you want, but think more, why do you all have ill feelings when no ABS is mentioned, why do you all dislike driving without ABS, what is holding you from disabling the ABS assist.

I am doing all these to see more drivers ( fast or slow ) to know how great driving without aid is and improve upon it, not depending on lap time as measurement, but the skills to control the car without any help. I want ABS drivers to realize this, but it seems impossible

Here is another quote to ponder :

For those people that think GT5's ABS 1 is closer to real life, you need to consider that in GT5 with ABS 1 you do not need to judge your braking force you only need to judge your braking distance.

This game is meant to be a racing game, and trust me no race car driver just flattens the brakes no matter the corner or speed, with ABS 0 you have to both judge your braking distance and your braking force.

After all you dont drive in real life and just slam the brakes full on into every corner without consequence do you?

I actually cared so much to the community by trying to ignite interest in no aid driving, hence my sig and video thread. I want everyone to improve from stagnation of ABS only driving - to go further - no ABS or other aid

 

[CyKosis1973]

Just gave this a try Praiano. You're right, even with RS tires, it is still quite a challenge. After a few tries, got my time down to 6:06.251. No aids, ABS1. Not as elite as some but hey, if I want realism, I'll jump in my real car and go for a spin, lol. It has drum brakes and no ABS, lol.

Excellent, the game is afoot..!! Don't worry about this guy, Praiano, I've seen him about, he's a nub Somebody, somewhere needs to find 5 or 6 seconds, I'll await the video replay

Ridox, mate, just drop it, it's not important. I don't think any more or less of you for playing the game the way you do, it really doesn't matter. As long as you're enjoying yourself, that's all that matters. Drop the sermon and move on, Sir...

{Cy}

 

[yanaran]

I see a pattern here, anybody can drive without ABS if they want and willing to practice ...

Then why do you keep posting about it over and over and over? This thread is not even about ABS, you just keep polluting it with your 1000-word essays.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Then why do you keep posting about it over and over and over? This thread is not even about ABS, you just keep polluting it with your 1000-word essays.

That was my last post about it, as now I realized why the dislikes toward no ABS, and the trend of people here who prefer to be the using said aid:tup:

 

[rosckolove]

I've said this in another thread but I'll said it again :

I see a pattern here, anybody can drive without ABS if they want and willing to practice ... it's not a special ability, ABS drivers are so used to the comfort of applying brakes without risk that maybe they view no ABS as certain doom. Now, why the reaction of certain people are always the same when someone mention no ABS - negativity.

I really don't care if people hates me or considers me elitists, exclusives or minorities or whatever, I am proud of myself of willing to challenge myself, willing to risk, and going further than just relying on the game helping me braking - even with a dire consequences of slower lap times.

Now, the real question ... Why does everyone who used to drive with ABS having a hard time about no ABS ? Don't give me preference or the way of playing as answer, if that's the real reason, there won't be such calling of elitism, or negative reactions. I am suspecting the fear factor or unwillingness to go to a new territory.

Those fast and alien drivers who always stuck with ABS all the time, I kept wondering, if they have the talent, why waste it by driving with aid and not going further and better with their talent by taking off the braking aid, while someone like me who are not that fast or talented willing to drive without one even at risk of getting slower and I still can enjoy it.

Hate me all you want, but think more, why do you all have ill feelings when no ABS is mentioned, why do you all dislike driving without ABS, what is holding you from disabling the ABS assist.

I am doing all these to see more drivers ( fast or slow ) to know how great driving without aid is and improve upon it, not depending on lap time as measurement, but the skills to control the car without any help. I want ABS drivers to realize this, but it seems impossible

Here is another quote to ponder :



I actually cared so much to the community by trying to ignite interest in no aid driving, hence my sig and video thread. I want everyone to improve from stagnation of ABS only driving - to go further - no ABS or other aid

No on has a problem with non ABS users dude. we have a problem with you, coming into every god damn thread that ever existed, and saying blah blah blah blah. even your last past was incorrect, you don't see what the problem is. it has nothing to do with using ABS or not using ABS. the problem is, and i feel like an a hole saying this but. your just annoying everyone with your constant blah blah blahness about it.

ignorance is bliss i guess though. and you will probably keep thinking it has something to do with the actual driving aid.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

No on has a problem with non ABS users dude. we have a problem with you, coming into every god damn thread that ever existed, and saying blah blah blah blah. even your last past was incorrect, you don't see what the problem is. it has nothing to do with using ABS or not using ABS. the problem is, and i feel like an a hole saying this but. your just annoying everyone with your constant blah blah blahness about it.

ignorance is bliss i guess though. and you will probably keep thinking it has something to do with the actual driving aid.

Great response, if anyone feel annoyed, my bad, maybe you like brake aid so much you get offended easily. I am cool with all that, and not everyone felt annoyed, only a few responded directly to my post. If anyone think rude response will do any good ... I'll just be on my way, as no one has answered why they want to stick with ABS like a death grip

 

[CyKosis1973]

as no one has answered why they want to stick with ABS like a death grip

I will never drive with ABS turned off, but that's none of your concern, just as it's none of my concern whether you use it or not. And that's the point, just because you or I do something a certain way, doesn't mean we should preach to those who don't do things our way.

Just let it go, it really isn't important how people play this game, as long as they're enjoying themselves and not harming those around them, much like life in general. Move on, Sir...

{Cy}

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I am leaving now

 

[TJC_69]

I see completely off topic posts ....

Everywhere ...

Ahem , Bugatti Veyron anyone ??

 

[rosckolove]

bugatti veyron yes, i'm gonna run some laps with it now.

i hate the offline physics, so it will be online. i'll let you know my result shortly

EDIT-

Never mind. i got one timed lap in. i ran a 6:12. i hate driving this thing. never again.

 

[KiroKai]

I want everyone to improve from stagnation of ABS only driving - to go further - no ABS or other aid

We noticed that by now...

Great response, if anyone feel annoyed, my bad, maybe you like brake aid so much you get offended easily. I am cool with all that, and not everyone felt annoyed, only a few responded directly to my post. If anyone think rude response will do any good ... I'll just be on my way, as no one has answered why they want to stick with ABS like a death grip

Why do you care? Nobody forces you to play with ABS on, so why should you be allowed to force us to drive without?

And by the way. Yes people are annoyed at such OT discussions. Me for example. I've been reading this thread and about 80% was about tyre types and usage of ABS. I didn't want to rant about it to prevent the thread from more pollution but what you keep posting in here is just annoying crap.

 

[Spender1330]

Has anyone seen a thread by a non-ABS user where someone who used ABS jumped in and suggested that there times aren't valid?

Therein lies the issue. This isn't a polar argument. It's a one way street. Some no-ABSers have a problem with those that do and claim their performance, ability and times are invalid. The reverse is not true.

Claiming Praiainos time as not valid is inappropriate. He took a car round the ring in 6:xx? There is nothing invalid about it.

This is racing people. No one gets the Win for finishing anywhere other than first. The fastest time is always the best in a race. You don't get an award for pretty or "more challenging" driving I'm afraid. If I'm wrong, name the race series where that exists and I will eat my racing helmet.

Peace out brothers

 

[namyzarc]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the point of a racing game to... um... win the race?
So in the example rockslove gave, if A & B were racing eachother in a race that was 10 laps, then A would win the race ahead of B by 10 full seconds.
So the way I see it, ANY tire and ANY assistance that a driver is able to use to achieve a better lap time should be just fine... B had the same tuning options available to him that A had.

 

[rosckolove]

^^^i lol'ed for real at that spender

Drifting!

eat your helmet

 

[hairystig]

eat your helmet

You might have to do the (the artist formally known as) prince thing and have a couple of ribs removed to achive that.

Also I considered saying drifting too but his point was so good that I didn't want to spoil it......

 

[TJC_69]

So I tried the Veyron ...

Didn't like it unfortunately

Don't think my setup was that great though . Managed to gain stability by softening the dampers to ride the bumps better . Did a 6.15 sec run in the end .

I'll keep an eye out for your tune Praiano and try again .

PS - Used real grip setting, no aids, ABS 1 .

 

[Spender1330]

Is drifting racing though? (Can of worms open, an me trying to get out of helmet eating!!) Or is it not a bit like gymnastics, points for doing "stuff" but not who does or gets there fastest?

Can you tell I haven't tried drifting yet??!