Bush has lost any of the respect I previously had for him!

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It might just be me, but Bush seems to really know how to screw things up. The stock market hit a 4 year low today. All of the selling due to his "war with iraq" crap. Doesn't he realize that he has almost no support?!? You can't win **** if nobody back home cares. It's already been said that Iraq doesn't have the resources to do any damage to us with these so called weapons of mass destruction. Maybe Bush should think about fixing things up back home before he goes and tries to finish his daddy's work. I guess I'm just rambling now, so i'm going to stop.
 
I did not like Bush when he became president. After 9/11/01 I did start to like him. Now that this whole Iraq situation is going on I again am losing my respect for the man. He just needs to "stfu" and try and govern his own country. :rolleyes:
 
Does anyone remember the campaign line from Clinton in '92 - 'it's the economy, stupid'.

Bush Jr's making the same error his old man did - and I can tell you from our perspective the US (or more correctly, Bush) is getting all the blame for the current global economic woes.

If there's one thing markets hate, it's uncertainty - and George W is serving up in bucketloads at the moment.
 
Bush is too warlike...he's going to attract too much unwanted attention. I'm afraid he's not smart enough to resolve conflict without bombing the p*ss out of everything.
 
As much as I didn't like Clinton, i'll admit he did a damn good job at keeping a good economy. And all that crap about how we are just now feeling the effects of the mistakes Clinton makes, that's a bunch of bull****.
 
Originally posted by SublimeDood10
As much as I didn't like Clinton, i'll admit he did a damn good job at keeping a good economy. And all that crap about how we are just now feeling the effects of the mistakes Clinton makes, that's a bunch of bull****.
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Well, Clinton's got a fair bit to answer for, as has Alan Greenspan.

They failed to deal properly with the dotcom boom, the issue with executive remuneration (read - OPTIONS) and shoddy reporting practices, and as a result we're now seeing a massive correction at Wall Street as the rest of the world realises that the supposed US productivity advantage was in fact a load of rubbish (hence the reason the Euro is basically at parity with the US dollar now). Greenspan should have raised rates a lot earlier than he did, completely misreading the misallocation of capital into the booming market in late 1999/early 2000 - if that had been handled properly the crash would not have been as severe. I realise this is all in hindsight, but, jeez, this has been going on since the East India Tea Company, and the Dutch Tulip Boom in the 17th and 18th centuries, so we're not covering new gound here.
 
Unfortunately, my dad has a lot of money invested in the stock market, so that just makes it piss me off even more.
 
Originally posted by SublimeDood10
Unfortunately, my dad has a lot of money invested in the stock market, so that just makes it piss me off even more.
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Well, my superannuation has shrunk by about 20% in the last two years, so I know how you feel. Lucky I'm trying to plan on building up enough assets so that I can retire without it (would be a nice bonus though).
 
Um, other than VM, how much have you guys read into the issue, and how much time have you spent assessing the debate points?
 
Not to dispell anyone's idealistic notions about diplomacy. But if two countries fight and one ceases because of a "deal" from an outside party, well, that's diplomatic in a sense. I do not know everything about Iran Contra, but I do know that arms for hostages was part of it, and I do not believe it absurd to think that a similar, possibly unethical, deal could be made to garner "world stability."

Last point to consider is that some representatives of UN member states supposedly claaped during the speech by a member of the Iraqi government. I have heard that this is out of character. If both points are true, or at least the first is, than such an overt display is inappropriate and calls into question the maturity and sense of listening to such a body.
 
Has anyone else wondered how thick the steel lining is of the Iron Chef Judges' stomachs?
 
Do any of you care that your leftist rambles are causing me stress? I may develop an ulcer. Actually, I think I already have one, but you aren't helping.
 
Originally posted by Talentless
Do any of you care that your leftist rambles are causing me stress? I may develop an ulcer. Actually, I think I already have one, but you aren't helping.
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Me?
 
Well, hope it is pleasant.

Btw, Sublime's proof that Clinton was not responsible is to call the claim bull****? Well, I am not going to argue that he was solely responsible, though I've heard that congress, which was Republican controlled at the time, has a lot of power regarding spending, so a case against congress, and perhaps Clinton, never underestimate the power of rhetoric to influence a body, may be one that can be made.
 
Not directly leftist, but terms and arguments of leftists.

Some are fairly applied, some aren't.

Plenty to criticize about conservatives

The oppressive Mid Est regimes are referred to a conservative, they are a more extreme example than what I would guess most conservatives would be, but they are conservative for their regions.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Ha - that was pretty good, huh, vat_man?
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Well, in Ronnie's defence, you could probably have told him everything about the Iran-Contra deal, and then ten minutes later he probably wouldn't have known anything about it...
 

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