C230 Kompressor

[benzoboy]

I mean that thing...

My Mum's got one a C180 Kompressor

 

[Young_Warrior]

I like the coupe Id buy one. I sat in a avantgarde c200 coupe and the interior was the second best ive ever sat in after a 911.

 

[Omnis]

My grandma has the sedan, of course. Not that blasphemy crap.

 

[Wolfe]

Aww, why does almost everyone hate the coupe!

I'm guessing you guys aren't fans of this or this , either...

 

[Ghost C]

The new Caddy's are impressive, but they're hardly class-leaders, as Young_Warrior said. There are GM quality issues, as usual, including the fit and finish of the interior, the sportier models' handling characteristics are merely "on par," and the more "luxurious" components, such as the navigation systems and whatnot, are usually below-standard, yet cost a good chunk of cash.

GM quality issues? Such as what? They don't break enough? What does Cadillac have to do, be first instead of second in JD Power's Initial Quality Study? I hate to break it to you, but Cadillacs are far from unreliable.

Now, let me ask you why you think the Caddy's are so much better, especially when it comes to crash safety?

My car was involved in a serious accident. It was rear-ended by a full size truck doing 35mph while my car was standing still. My car took less damage than the truck that hit it, surviving with a minor scrape of sorts - A dented rear bumper.

As far as why I think pretty much any Cadillac would be better than the C230, you could get a better equipped Cadillac for the same price. But who cares, eh? The Cadillac will probably just fall apart as soon as you get it home.

And why do you feel the need to say (severly paraphrased) "omg my car has a powerful engine so I'll make your sister feel stupid by driving fast in a straight line"

I'll go run with the C230 on the Tail Of The Dragon, too, if that would make you feel better. The fifteen year old grandma car will still win. I was half-joking when I said I would race her, as well - Not that it matters.

I don't enjoy talking to americans who rule out foreign cars as a whole; they usually assume they're the only ones who know what they're talking about, and will pounce on anyone who disagrees with them in a bloody rage.

I don't rule out foreign cars as a whole. I actually love foreign cars, whether European or Japanese or Italian, but that doesn't mean that I have to hate American cars, does it? Just because I don't have my head up Europe's ass doesn't mean I hate them.

 

[Wolfe]

GM quality issues? Such as what? They don't break enough? What does Cadillac have to do, be first instead of second in JD Power's Initial Quality Study? I hate to break it to you, but Cadillacs are far from unreliable.

Yes, they are certainly more reliable than GM used to be, but there are other areas, as well, such as cheap plastics, poor fitting of interior pieces, and the overall build quality of the car, breakdowns or not.

My car was involved in a serious accident. It was rear-ended by a full size truck doing 35mph while my car was standing still. My car took less damage than the truck that hit it, surviving with a minor scrape of sorts - A dented rear bumper.

Wow, if nothing moved other than your rear bumper, that's a really unsafe car...on the other hand, if the truck was much newer than your car, that would explain why it crumbled...newer cars are designed to do that. It's safer for the occupants.

As far as why I think pretty much any Cadillac would be better than the C230, you could get a better equipped Cadillac for the same price. But who cares, eh? The Cadillac will probably just fall apart as soon as you get it home.

"Better equipped?" Maybe. "Better?" That's certainly arguable.

I'll go run with the C230 on the Tail Of The Dragon, too, if that would make you feel better. The fifteen year old grandma car will still win. I was half-joking when I said I would race her, as well - Not that it matters.

I'd love to take a shot at the Tail of the Dragon someday...you're lucky that you live so close....

I don't rule out foreign cars as a whole. I actually love foreign cars, whether European or Japanese or Italian, but that doesn't mean that I have to hate American cars, does it? Just because I don't have my head up Europe's ass doesn't mean I hate them.

Well, if you're allowed to assume that Young_Warrior hates all american cars, then why can't I assume that you hate all foreign cars...?? That doesn't seem fair...

 

[Young_Warrior]

The fact that your car took less damage than the truck is a design flaw and not a positive point. Safe cars are meant to crumble to protect passengers.

The other day when coming home from watching F1 at silverstone some american suv crashed into the back of my volvo at 10mph whilst I was at standstill and this truck weighs twice as much as my car. The bumper hung a bit lower and it had a scratch and so damage looked limited but that was because of the under body crumple zones that came into effect and the mechanic actually showed me where they had to cut out a bit of the chassis where it crumpled like it should do to help protect passengers.

You cant compare performance figures from a car thats 50 years old to the ones today if theyre not in the same class with similiar engines.

The caddy would be better equiped but it doesnt have the image or the chassis or the engine for that fact. Not everyone cares about straight line performance and especially not the average girl. Plus she could just go and get a audi then better than the merc and alot cheaper.

In the jd power test the 911 was also one of the top manufactures but all 911's except the gt3 and turbo versions suffer from rms in which the engine leaks and needs replacing and for most 911 owners in average every 11 thousand miles they suffer from RMS. Never own a 911 without a warranty and dont take the jd power tests as gospel. Remeber most owners are biased in the fact that they think thrye cars are the greatest as to otherwise in their mind why did they buy it.

 

[Ghost C]

Yes, they are certainly more reliable than GM used to be, but there are other areas, as well, such as cheap plastics, poor fitting of interior pieces, and the overall build quality of the car, breakdowns or not.

Being that I own a Cadillac, an older Cadillac, when interior quality wasn't as in demand as it is now, I honestly do not know where people get the notion that there's something wrong with the interior.

Wow, if nothing moved other than your rear bumper, that's a really unsafe car...on the other hand, if the truck was much newer than your car, that would explain why it crumbled...newer cars are designed to do that. It's safer for the occupants.

One of the hydraulic bumper supports got pushed in, but that's it. The truck swerved and caught the bumper on one side.

"Better equipped?" Maybe. "Better?" That's certainly arguable.

It's all a matter of opinion. You should test drive a Cadillac sometime, you might change your mind.

I'd love to take a shot at the Tail of the Dragon someday...you're lucky that you live so close....

I haven't gotten to go yet. I may buy a house there or something one day, but it's only a 2 hour drive.

Well, if you're allowed to assume that Young_Warrior hates all american cars, then why can't I assume that you hate all foreign cars...?? That doesn't seem fair...

He said something about the 300C sucking when he was rebutting my point of Cadillacs not sucking! Then went on to edit it to XLR instead of 300C! That would be like me saying that Mercedes has quality issues because the Porsche 911 sucks*.

*I'm not saying that MB has quality issues, or that the 911 sucks. I was just using them as an example.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Bad example. And I must be forgiven for that simple mistake but either way the 300c does kinda blow. If you cant afford a 5 series a6 or e class and you want a big car then I say go buy one but other than that teher are better cars out there.

 

[jammyozzy]

Reckon you could tempt her?

 

[Dougboy]

What does Cadillac have to do, be first instead of second in JD Power's Initial Quality Study? I hate to break it to you, but Cadillacs are far from unreliable.

i love how they use the word Initial quality sure they are reliable when u first buy em. But few years down the road, who knows. Thats why american cars have horrible resale value

oh and i think iceburns live in north carolina and alfas arnt too common in the usa

 

[Ghost C]

i love how they use the word Initial quality sure they are reliable when u first buy em. But few years down the road, who knows. Thats why american cars have horrible resale value

My car's about to roll 200,000 miles. The engine has never been apart for anything other than by my choice. There has never been a major mechanical problem with the car. And I'm not just lucky - Ask Them about how reliable Cadillacs are.

 

[Young_Warrior]

I take your mind back to the merc e class with 2.8 million miles on it. With most cars as long as you service them when they are ment to be they will run forever.

 

[skip0110]

I take your mind back to the merc e class with 2.8 million miles on it. With most cars as long as you service them when they are ment to be they will run forever.

It went through an unspecified number of engine rebuilds, but definitely more than 3. And anyways, 200 thousand miles is very good for any car. Most cars don't last that long.

 

[Dougboy]

well, duhh they will say good things about cadillacs on a cadillac forum.

Thats like a poll on GTP asking if u like gran turismo

 

[Young_Warrior]

You think my volvo s40 would last 200k miles? Obviously cars in america will be more reliable in statistics as you guys have to travel further to get somewhere than in say the UK and most of it will be motorway/highway miles. So in the space taht you own a car it will rack up more miles when generally in the UK people wouldnt want to keep a car that long regardless of wheter it functioned perfectly or not as they would want all the modern luxuries that appear year after year and a car portrays a image and wwhat a person is like.

 

[iceburns288]

Reckon you could tempt her?

I'd do an Alfa

We actually have some old Alfa Spyders around here... I'd drive one if they had 4 seats. Same for my dad's TR6...

 

[Duke]

i love how they use the word Initial quality sure they are reliable when u first buy em. But few years down the road, who knows. Thats why american cars have horrible resale value

oh and i think iceburns live in north carolina and alfas arnt too common in the usa

No, American cars have horrible resale value because too many people read Consumer Reports or listen too much to their other teenage friends. I've been personally involved with at least 4 American cars, from the '60s through the '90s, that have had between 275,000 and 325,000 miles on them. I still own one of them.

 

[1X83Z]

I had a 1998 Pontiac that made it a mere 94 miles before it blew up because it was faulty.

Meanwhile, I had a 1997 Toyota that made it 94 million miles before it needed an oil change.

I love personal experience because it's nearly always a complete lie!!!

 

[Duke]

You always insist this - yet what is marketing research made up of but personal experience?

I wouldn't answer any questions or comments about BMWs because I've never owned one. But I've had my hands on 4 American cars that have made it well over 200,000 miles with no heroic maintenance measures.

My personal experience isn't a lie. I also had a 1982 Supra that made it to about 230,000 miles. For the last 30,000 miles it had hardly any back brakes at all (too impossible to get apart), it was on it's 5th headgasket on 2 engines, and after that I took the thermostat out in order to keep it running cool because I was tired of the damn thing eating headgaskets like they were M&Ms.

By the same token my 1981 Civic 1500 made it to about 250,000 with only oil, brakes, and a clutch or two, but it looked like rolling crap by the time it died.

Why is this untrue?

 

[1X83Z]

You always insist this - yet what is marketing research made up of but personal experience?

The difference being that one guy on a forum talking about the Toyota he's owned going its whole life without a trip to a mechanic isn't the same as marketing research taking thousands or tens of thousands of customers' personal experience. I don't mind comments on this forum about personal experience when the person says "here's my personal experience" and lays it out. That's what you did. I do mind comments when people consider their own personal experience the absolute gospel and use it to defend poorly-constructed points in arguments. That's what most people do.