Caddy Vs BMW

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I dont think Clarkson realised that the engine sitting inside the Solstice was an Opel-designed unit, so, whatever. I'd like to hear what he thinks about the upcomming 2.0L 260HP Solstice GXP... Sure, it looks like a Tamora, but who cares? If anything, he should be taking it as a compliment... We dont get cars like the TVRs, so we decide to make them for ourselves. Thats what happened with the Corvette and Thunderbird in 1953 and 1954, immitating MGs and Triumphs that our GIs were bringing home.

...Chost C, even as a die hard GM guy, I will admit that the Cadillac interiors are rubbish compared to other makes and models in the segment. The plastics look and feel pretty cheap, but thats about it. Button layout is good, the controls have a solid feel to them... All together, much easier to use than the Infiniti or BMW interiors I've been in.

BTW: When Clarkson complains about the ding noise in the CTS-V, did he realise that it was because his key was in the ignition? If he took the time to take it out, it wouldnt beep at him... ITS JUST THAT EASY!

Clarkson may never like American cars, and there are plenty of Americans that would never like European cars. It is a difference of taste and driving styles, as well as driving conditions that sepperate the two.

...I'd like to see Clarkson and the gang come here to the US and drive a few other American models and see what they think. Maybe they could have a meeting with the folks at Car and Driver and Motor Trend, and get the crap kicked out of them for their words about the Corvette, and then drive some cars like nice gentlemen.
 
lol he never said anything bad about the corvette and the top gear mag liked it. On a german car forum everyone keeps saying how good value it is.

Ghost C
I'm not willing to get into this argument all over again, but take it from someone who owns a Cadillac - You, and Top Gear, are wrong.
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No your wrong. Cadillac interiors are nothing to shout about. Theyre below mercedes bmw and audi's standard.

Even saab and volvo interi might be better.
 
YSSMAN
I dont think Clarkson realised that the engine sitting inside the Solstice was an Opel-designed unit, so, whatever. I'd like to hear what he thinks about the upcomming 2.0L 260HP Solstice GXP... Sure, it looks like a Tamora, but who cares? If anything, he should be taking it as a compliment... We dont get cars like the TVRs, so we decide to make them for ourselves. Thats what happened with the Corvette and Thunderbird in 1953 and 1954, immitating MGs and Triumphs that our GIs were bringing home.

...Chost C, even as a die hard GM guy, I will admit that the Cadillac interiors are rubbish compared to other makes and models in the segment. The plastics look and feel pretty cheap, but thats about it. Button layout is good, the controls have a solid feel to them... All together, much easier to use than the Infiniti or BMW interiors I've been in.

BTW: When Clarkson complains about the ding noise in the CTS-V, did he realise that it was because his key was in the ignition? If he took the time to take it out, it wouldnt beep at him... ITS JUST THAT EASY!

Clarkson may never like American cars, and there are plenty of Americans that would never like European cars. It is a difference of taste and driving styles, as well as driving conditions that sepperate the two.

...I'd like to see Clarkson and the gang come here to the US and drive a few other American models and see what they think. Maybe they could have a meeting with the folks at Car and Driver and Motor Trend, and get the crap kicked out of them for their words about the Corvette, and then drive some cars like nice gentlemen.
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It's not all Europeans that think that.
I love American cars. Granted, not as much as the French or British, but still more than the Germans and Japanese.

Buick=Good

The Rivera is one of an extremely few number of cars I'd ever trade a Renault for.
 
Poverty
No your wrong. Cadillac interiors are nothing to shout about. Theyre below mercedes bmw and audi's standard.

Even saab and volvo interi might be better.
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You have your biased opinion - I'm not going to try and change it. I'll just say that I have more REAL LIFE experience with Cadillac interiors from a span of more than 20 model years than you ever will, and I might be a little more qualified to judge them.

YSSMAN
...Chost C, even as a die hard GM guy, I will admit that the Cadillac interiors are rubbish compared to other makes and models in the segment. The plastics look and feel pretty cheap, but thats about it. Button layout is good, the controls have a solid feel to them... All together, much easier to use than the Infiniti or BMW interiors I've been in.
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So the layout is good, controls are solid, and it's easier to use than the foreign brands. Why, again, are you calling the interior rubbish? The OEM cassette deck in my car never worked, even when it left the factory floor, I don't call the interior rubbish because of that, because everything else is flawless.
 
ultrabeat
It's not all Europeans that think that.
I love American cars. Granted, not as much as the French or British, but still more than the Germans and Japanese.

Buick=Good

The Rivera is one of an extremely few number of cars I'd ever trade a Renault for.
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I think you may have just lost all respect for saying that....
 
Any specific reason, or just me in general?
:D
 
YSSMAN
BTW: When Clarkson complains about the ding noise in the CTS-V, did he realise that it was because his key was in the ignition? If he took the time to take it out, it wouldnt beep at him... ITS JUST THAT EASY!
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Yeah he would have known about taking the key out but he left it there so he could pick on something. Think of it this way, Clarkson always finds something to pick on almost all cars, so he picked a very minor thing like the 'Ding' to pick on because he couldn't find anything else.

They liked the CTS-V, they liked the Viper, they liked the Corvette, they like the Mustang (when Richard tested it), they even liked the 300C besides the issues. Don't know why people think they hate American cars.
 
That BMW in the pic is very nice. I'm going with that one. Caddy looks beautiful, but it is SO not me.
 
Ghost C
So the layout is good, controls are solid, and it's easier to use than the foreign brands. Why, again, are you calling the interior rubbish? The OEM cassette deck in my car never worked, even when it left the factory floor, I don't call the interior rubbish because of that, because everything else is flawless.
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Not everything in the interior is about the layout. Knock on a few of the pannels in a Cadillac and then knock on a few in a BMW, and there is a big difference. The pannels almost sound hollow in the Caddy, and most of the materials just feel cheap. If Cadillac could put Lexus or BMW quality materials in their car (the seats are good, same with the floor and headliner), they would easily surpass their competition.
 
You have your biased opinion - I'm not going to try and change it. I'll just say that I have more REAL LIFE experience with Cadillac interiors from a span of more than 20 model years than you ever will, and I might be a little more qualified to judge them.
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Well Im talking about the last decade. Im pretty sure back in the day cadillac was one of the class leaders with interiors but now theyre far from it.
 
Its amazing how good American cars were up untill about the mid 1970s, and then production quality dropped signifigantly. I know that there was a major shift in the way we built our cars post 1973, but going from some of the best in the world to some of the worst, thats just strange...

...Wait, Mercedes-Benz did that too. They were number one in quality in the '80s, but now make some of the worst cars on the market today. Had to believe, I know, but even Cadillac is one of the best rated companies in terms of quality (I belive number five).
 
Still, put to shame by Jaguar.

But since when have we ever been lauded for build quality?
 
In America, every British-built car has a reputation for shoddy electronics. Although I'm sure they have fixed it (although the ghosts of the past resurfaced with Car and Driver's test of the V8 Vantage), its still an ongoing sterotype of British autos.
 
YSSMAN
In America, every British-built car has a reputation for shoddy electronics. Although I'm sure they have fixed it (although the ghosts of the past resurfaced with Car and Driver's test of the V8 Vantage), its still an ongoing sterotype of British autos.
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And its justified. Us brits cant make complicated cars cause they will only break somehow.
 
A nice example of unreliable Brit car would be the roadsters from the '60s.

And the '80s Jags. The Jag design is cool. But its unreliable...

And yeah I read about Mercedes making one of the worst reliable cars somewhere....I think it was the Brit car magazine "Car" (what a name). I do agree, though. One of the M-B I saw the other day had a taillamp that didn't match up on the trunk and the main body. It wasn't a pretty sight, when you bought a S430. Yup, it was on a S430. Not older than 3 years. BMW makes better cars but their "Bangle Butt" neutralizes my opinion. M-B designs somewhat better, makes horrible cars. BMW makes better cars, but its design are horrific (7 series) We have no choice I guess :lol: unless you buy a Cadillac which has a good refreshing design from all the curved stuff you see out there. Stands out.
 
I just wish buying an M-car meant you were buying something that was a bit more minimal like the older models. Now that the M5/M6 and presumably the new M3 are all run by computers, it kinda sucks the soul out of the once great M-brand.
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The new M5 V10 is ridiculous, where the side bolsters in the seats firm up depending on your lateral g. The e34 M5 was the last driver's M5 IMO.👍
 
I loved the previous-gen E39 M5. Nearly every piece of that car was damn near perfect. The looks, the interior, the transmission, the engine, etc. All perfect examples of what cars should be like if youre shopping for a sports sedan.

Although it was computer controled to some extent, it is nowhere near the level at which the current E60 M5 is. Thankfully the traction control had two positions, on and off, and you didnt have to spend ten minutes turning the car to high performance mode. Turn the key, and you were off, driving one of the fastest sedans ever built.

Although I only got to go for a ride in the M5, I would still say its one of my favorite cars that I've ever been in. She was a 2002 in Schwartz, black leather abound, but came without the DVD Navigation. The owner had three-piece BBS chome wheels on it at the time, and kept two extra spare tire sets in the garage for different times of the year. He actually sold the car in 2004, and ended up buying a Corvette C6 Convertable with the magnaride suspension. Thats a nice car too (not the way I'd want mine), but I think I'd rather have the older M5 instead.
 
Yeah. I just checked out some of the old M5 photos and they look damn crazy! The E34 and E39 are the best M5s ever built in terms of design. Why does older BMWs look better than the new ones? :lol: some strange things going on at BMW and Chris Bangle...
 
Ghost C
You have your biased opinion - I'm not going to try and change it. I'll just say that I have more REAL LIFE experience with Cadillac interiors from a span of more than 20 model years than you ever will, and I might be a little more qualified to judge them.
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You're a hardcore Cadillac fan, own a Cadillac, and have driven them for years -- how does that make you not biased? :lol:

Anyway, you're talking about interiors from a span of 20 model years? I'm only talking about the new ones.

VIPERGTSR01
I find it funny watching Jeremy putting them down and Richard defending them.
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Poverty
lol he never said anything bad about the corvette and the top gear mag liked it
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VIPERGTSR01
Clarkson always finds something to pick on almost all cars
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Are you seeing this, YSSMAN? I'm telling ya, the show is primarily for entertainment (damned good entertainment, at that 👍 ), and it's just highly-opinionated banter about cars. :) I'm going to be honest, here -- if I took the show's comments as seriously as you seem to do, I wouldn't be able to stand all of the BMW-bashing, and would hate the show.

If you want to know what they really think about various cars, ya gotta pick up an issue of the magazine. 👍
 
All kidding aside, they are still some of the best edditors out there, so I don't doubt their opinion too much. Sure, Clarkson is an ass, but I love him...

BTW: I've never picked up an issue of Top Gear here in the US... Why? Its $150 a year for a subscription to Top Gear, and unfortunatley it isnt sold in any of the bookstores around Grand Rapids. I've got an issue or two from CAR Magazine, but being that they are more than $10 an issue, its pretty rare that I pick one up unless its an interesting shootout on the cover.

...Maybe if Top Gear was less than $100 a year, I might order a subscription...
 
i usually persuse top gun and evo at the magazine stand/ book store, but i do buy car.

and oddly enough, subscribing is more expensive than buying it from the shelf once a month.

GM needs to get away from the cheap looking interiors thyve used for too long now. in the lower echelon cars its a "high gloss" hard cheap interior and in the more expensive cars its a low gloss, softer, but still cheap looking.

they should take a page out of VW/ audi and use thier plastic supplier.
 
Agreed! GM needs to hire a interior specialist that used to work at those German brands or Japanese makers to improve their interior. Even Ford does better now. The XLR-V's wood trim looks very fake (I'll attach a photo) I don't know about others, but I would not love to spend time inside the car appreciating the elements. GM needs to improve the interior ASAP!

 
Well, in the newer models its a bit better, but far from the best. I'd rate the interior bits and pieces on the newer 2005 and 2006 models such as the Cobalt and Impala are pretty good compared to say a Honda or Toyota, but they definatley are not the best.

Atleast GM makes their interiors functional, as I dont think the same can be said of the new Hondas.
 
It was an easy choice for Elvis, through the 50s to the 70s Cadillac was the pinnacle for luxury, simpler times.:) However, he did own a BMW 507 at one point, which if anything showed the old distinction between luxury cars and sports cars.👍

Elvis' collection
 

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