Mr. McShakeYou don't buy sedans for performance anyways. It's all about style and the Caddy gots style.
FlerbizkyIs this statement based solely on the post above yours ?...
Povertylol caddy and style. Only cause all these rappers like to buy them these days and do them up. Back when both were out the BMW looked nicer and was the better car.
It was more elegant also being european.
YSSMANHow exactly did you become an expert on Cadillacs? They didnt start selling them in Europe up untill a few years ago, right?
Cadillacs for a long time were the leaders in automotive styling here in the United States. Look at cars like the Cadillac 61, ahead of its time for pre-war America...
Ghost CWhat about the Seville and Eldorado introduced in 92? Both of those could still be sold as new cars and they'd look the part, neither one is dated. Hell, sit my car next to any of BMW's sedans from the day, and I've got five bucks that says my car will turn more heads.
Old BMW's look like old BMW's. They looked like crap until the 90's, the same can be said about Cadillacs.
PovertyAnd im talking about BMWs in america during the 70's. They were considered as prestigous elegance taht only the really rich could afford.
YSSMANUmmm, not really in the 1970s. BMW really did not become the marque that it is today (atleast in the US) untill the latter part of the 1980s, into the 1990s. Their cars werent put together particularly well, nor did they hold up as well as the Mercedes, Cadillac, and Lincoln competition. Of course, BMW did eventually change all of that, and to this day have some of the most notorious automobile models ever made, but in the US, the BMW phenominon has only been around for a little more than 20 years.
You have to keep in mind Poverty that in the 1970s, most of the people who would have been buying these cars were either businessmen or retirees. Those retirees often jumped for the Cadillac or Lincoln, as they were still bitter about WWII, and could give two hoots about the sporting abilities of a BMW or Mercedes. Owning a Cadillac or a Lincoln in America was a status thing up untill the 1980s, and thereafter the Germans generally dominated the luxury car market.
YSSMAN...I'm not going to argue against BMW styling, I like it very much. Although Bangle has done his best to practically destroy the good looks BMW has built part of it's reputation uppon, the new 3-Series looks outstandingly good both as a Coupe and Sedan.
As it was said before, it is subjective I suppose, but I can't help to defend Cadillac, as they have made some of the best looking cars to ever be built (atleast, IMO).
neanderthalwhile they were both a leap forward in terms of cadillac styling, they are still rather bland. which is good believe it or not. thier styling has held up very nicely because of that. nicer than an E34 bmw that came a few years before? i dont think. definitely not nicer than an E39 which came only a few years later. which has only just been replaced with that bangle designed monstrosity.
id put the 8 series up on the eldorado anytime and the eldo would lose big time. BIG TIME. each time. probably would have a lot more problems, but it wins on style no competition.
nicely preserved models of each are percieved differently. i see some little old lady puttering around in her cadillac and i immediately get an 80s vibe or 70s vibe. i see the same litlle oldlady puttering around in her BMW and i think "damn that car is clean!!!" the styling is not as blatantly period. it ages better.
but it comes down to personal taste.
GT4_Rulemaybe its just the propeller logo on the blue and white sky. 8-series did not look any better than Eldorado. Indeed it did look sporty (sleek), but it also looks fragile than the Cadillac at the same time. The Cadillac has a massive presence (like the Rolls Phantom, the uglyiest Rolls in century and a shoebox on wheels...) and that's what Americans and Canadians liked until the compact car boom came around. I personally think that the older BMW styling (before the E36) looked average, but those Cadillacs had distinctive style.
the new BMW styling just destroyed the awesome style of the mid-90s. The '99 745i, '00 M5 and '95 330i looked the best. Now all of them just suck. They don't look like expensive cars, expecially the 7. Look at the new trunk lights. It has this awkward gap where the bottom of the trunklight and the fender parts meet. I mean, why didn't they just make it one uniform taillight? Its stupid. When I saw the new 3 series I couldn't believe that car mags were praising the design as ..."clean, modern look" I turned away from the big cut out picture it had because I couldn't bear to look at it. The E46 or even the E36 looked much more BMW-ish and its certainly better looking by miles. If I'm going to buy a BMW, I will no doubt buy the E46 or E36. Not E90. Not a chance.
neanderthali like how you state that as fact, whereas i have been stating it as personal opinion. no way will you get me to say the eldo was better looking in any capacity than the 8. it boils down to personal preference. i think the BMWs are prettier you dont.
dont state your position as fact. it aint.
Alright.
Its our opinions.
My opinion =/= Your opinion
OK?
neanderthalim older, wider and better looking so my opinon > your opinion.
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MattCI think that even the Caddy CTS-V proves people do buy sedans looking for performance, and BMW helped make that an acceptable concept.👍
YSSMANHas anyone seen the reviews done by Top Gear on the Cadillac CTS'? Every time they say the same thing, the car is great on the outside and mechanically speaking, but the interior is rubbish...
Ya know, I like Clarkson, I think hes a good guy. But when he completely writes off every American car simply because its American, that itself is rubbish. I just watched a clip where he and Hammond go through some American models that arent sold in Europe, and he completely tears every single one apart. Cars like the Solstice, SSR, and even the Mustang GT are completely written off by Clarkson simply because they are American. I can understand why they hate the Aztec, but the ones mentioned above arent bad.
...Atleast Hammond thinks with his head, and actually considers that an American car might be a decent drive...
YSSMANHas anyone seen the reviews done by Top Gear on the Cadillac CTS'? Every time they say the same thing, the car is great on the outside and mechanically speaking, but the interior is rubbish...
Ya know, I like Clarkson, I think hes a good guy. But when he completely writes off every American car simply because its American, that itself is rubbish. I just watched a clip where he and Hammond go through some American models that arent sold in Europe, and he completely tears every single one apart. Cars like the Solstice, SSR, and even the Mustang GT are completely written off by Clarkson simply because they are American. I can understand why they hate the Aztec, but the ones mentioned above arent bad.
...Atleast Hammond thinks with his head, and actually considers that an American car might be a decent drive...
YSSMANHas anyone seen the reviews done by Top Gear on the Cadillac CTS'? Every time they say the same thing, the car is great on the outside and mechanically speaking, but the interior is rubbish...
Ya know, I like Clarkson, I think hes a good guy. But when he completely writes off every American car simply because its American, that itself is rubbish. I just watched a clip where he and Hammond go through some American models that arent sold in Europe, and he completely tears every single one apart. Cars like the Solstice, SSR, and even the Mustang GT are completely written off by Clarkson simply because they are American. I can understand why they hate the Aztec, but the ones mentioned above arent bad.
...Atleast Hammond thinks with his head, and actually considers that an American car might be a decent drive...
Wolfe2x7I agree with Top Gear -- Cadillac's interiors are rubbish.
Wolfe2x7The thing to remember is that Top Gear puts down all kinds of cars for all kinds of silly reasons, and that segment in particular -- with the Solstice, SSR, etc. -- was more entertainment than it was evaluation.