Can tuned road-going cars compete with legit race cars?

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I've heard of people taking road-going M3s and Civics and such and upgrading them so that they have ridiculous amounts of horsepower. someone here said that they upgraded a GT-R Spec V to 980 horsepower?!?!?

Do people do this only for straight line top-speed purposes or can "fully upgraded" cars actually compete with legitimate race cars? Can you upgrade stability and handling to match the raw power you can get?
 
It depends on the street car and it depends on the race car. A max tuned GT-R should do fine against some JGTC/GT300 cars but wouldn't last a second against any of the three Formula cars, LMPs, Group C, etc. Not all race cars are created equal.
 
GT-R SpecV can only get about 870 HP. The best performing production car is the McLaren F1 I think, and fully tuned it can beat the historic race cars (except Chaparral 2J and Toyota 7, and it will probably lose to most of them on city courses). The Bugatti Veyron will beat most race cars on Special Stage Route 7. But race cars will always be the best performing cars. If you consider the Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car to be a road-going car then it can beat a few of the race cars such as the historic ones (again, except for the 2J and Toyota 7) as well as the Zonda LM Race Car on most courses, Jaguar XJ220 LM Race Car and even the Super GT cars.
 
my R35 GT-R beats everyday your DTM Racecars. Wanna race PM me.
Nurburgring Nordschleife, Racing soft, no Aids except ABS. COME ON
 
you can use road cars until about 550 pp against race cars.
After 550 pp Race cars and their aero really comes into play and you can no more compete with road cars.
However driver skill is a big factor of course. Road cars are heavier usually and need more attention.
 
I won the entire dream car championship races individually with my fully tuned sl65. The only car that could EVER get close to me was the XJR9. And i havent got a spoiler OR a diff on the SL. So yeah, driver skill is a huge factor. It resulted in a third place finish on autumn ring mini for me in an Alto Works in a field of Le Mans winners and a Zonda R online.

I'm not that amazing, everyone in that room was really terrible.
 
A fully-tuned McLaren F1 can hang with some LMP cars. A fully-tuned Ferrari 458 and Ferrari 430 Scuderia are basically GTC racers.
 
I'd say on shorter racing distances, tuners can be on par to racers. But on longer distances, a racer behaves differently. Tire wear might be a difference and average racing speed in general might have an impact on overall performance..
 
MAidioPT
my R35 GT-R beats everyday your DTM Racecars. Wanna race PM me.
Nurburgring Nordschleife, Racing soft, no Aids except ABS. COME ON
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More helpful information would be if maidiopt said he does better time trials himself in the R35 gt-R than he does in the DTM racecars.
But that's not what he said. He said he beats other people....

Tweetman_277
It resulted in a third place finish on autumn ring mini for me in an Alto Works in a field of Le Mans winners and a Zonda R online.
I'm not that amazing, everyone in that room was really terrible.
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Well that makes all the difference doesn't it.

Just for an example: someone who plays this game for 6hrs per day for the past 6 months is obviously going to be better in something like an alto works than someone who plays 3hrs per week for the past month in whatever they drive. Especially if the casual player has more distractions in their home, and the regular gamer is sitting in isolation not interrupted. LOL ;)

I don't think the OP (& certainly not me) is interested in who can beat who in what car in a dirty online pub game. LOL
The question was - can the cars equal out. And the answer is probably not very.

OR maybe I'm wrong & the question might have been can it be done in Aspec.
My bf says some of the "lower" class race cars are kind of crappy, and in aspec, with predictable AI drivers, someone just decent enough can definitely take some non racecars in some races, and win, or only have trouble with one particular race car and you can roll that one out by reloading the race. Stuff like that.
I think I did some race with a regular car against low race cars because I didn't want to have to buy another car I didn't want to enter it.
 
Anything that can get the rear and front aero in GT auto should be able to compete with race cars, there's not many though.
 
watermelonpunch
More helpful information would be if maidiopt said he does better time trials himself in the R35 gt-R than he does in the DTM racecars.
But that's not what he said. He said he beats other people....

Well that makes all the difference doesn't it.

Just for an example: someone who plays this game for 6hrs per day for the past 6 months is obviously going to be better in something like an alto works than someone who plays 3hrs per week for the past month in whatever they drive. Especially if the casual player has more distractions in their home, and the regular gamer is sitting in isolation not interrupted. LOL ;)
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Youre absoloutely right there! Hardcore gamers will win that race. I dont have that chance. Lol i sit on a sofa and if i get five minutes of peace for games at once then im very lucky. Ive always just had, instantly, a LOT of pace on pretty much any racing game. Except mariokart.:-D but i have a pc sim mate who let me play rfactor and iracing. Im still fast. Had them (sort of) mastered in a few days. Mario kart wii took the last year!
 
Tweetman_277
Youre absoloutely right there! Hardcore gamers will win that race. I dont have that chance. Lol i sit on a sofa and if i get five minutes of peace for games at once then im very lucky. Ive always just had, instantly, a LOT of pace on pretty much any racing game. Except mariokart.:-D but i have a pc sim mate who let me play rfactor and iracing. Im still fast. Had them (sort of) mastered in a few days. Mario kart wii took the last year!
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Oh exactly. What average player could beat a hardcore gamer at any game the hc player is grinding hours per day?

Granted I play more in winter. And at the moment I have more time on my hands than usual. But I too am a "sofa player". LOL

But I think it would surprise some of us to know JUST HOW MUCH some hard core gamers play! Some people probably play 60hrs per week or more. Don't think it isn't true!
I mean some people make video games (or a specific video game) their main leisure time hobby.
(Like when the rest of us are out at the park, or knitting, or reading, or web surfing, or playing with pets, the gamers are playing the game during that time!)
Add in someone with kids, and a parent just couldn't possibly compete with a hard core gamer. (You couldn't possibly be a hard core gamer if you have a spouse and kids demanding your time - AND their own time on the PS3. LOL)

Someone saying "come I beat you" --- in whatever ridiculous challenge they name... I assume they're a "hustler". It's like 5 balls off the table. They know something you don't, and they're much more experienced than they even let on.
 
My fully tuned McLaren f1 can beat a fully tuned super Gt in a time trial. I can get a fully tuned veyron to hang with any racecar except the LMP's, Formula's, Group C's and x2010 on some tracks.
 
This is a good thread. I was thinking of posting a thread asking which cars are worth destroying in the tune shop. No matter what you do the road cars they simply are not on par with the race cars. Weight, downforce, braking distances, body roll, and more I'm sure, make them perform abnormally. Personally I hate the feel of a 700hp road car on a race track. Why not just use a race car?
 
Depends on what you mean by 'tuned'

Most race cars wont have a problem dispatching production cars. The biggest factor being tyres, Race cars have Race tyres, production tyres do NOT.
Than it would come down to how close are the weight/horsepower/downforce.

A tuned Lambo SV for instance would clearly dominate a Nissan MM-R race Car but a SV vs a LMP car would have no chance.
 
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Yes, road cars can beat the likes of full on race cars. I ran a tes at Nurburgring GP/F in a few cars, All tuned to 600pp and run on Racing Softs

Nismo34
3 laps each.

Viper ACR:
Lap 1) 2:03.847
Lap 2) 2:02.422
Lap 3) 2:02.629

70's Challenger R/T (premium dealer)
Lap 1) 2:03.546
Lap 2) 2:02.937
Lap 3) 2:02.691

Audi R10:
Lap 1) 2:00.372
Lap 2) 2:00.754
Lap 3) 2:00.707

Zonda R:
Lap 1) 2:02.196
Lap 2) 2:01.035
Lap 3) 2:00.875 (Invalid due to slight corner cut)

Nascar:
Lap 1) 2:03.230
Lap 2) 2:02.187
Lap 3) 2:01.912

Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 SV:
Lap 1)2:03.709
Lap 2)1:58.001
Lap 3)1:58.720

Nissan Skyline R34:
Lap 1)2:02.056
Lap 2)2:00.881
Lap 3)2:00.592
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It would be alot cooler if you could actually tune a car in GT5. No turbo chargers on 350z? wtf... anyways, there is a preset limit to how much hp and torque that can be on each car. Basically, in real life, your car can only go as fast as you wallet, and GT5 is a game soooo we should be able to do whatever we want. I would also like a more robust body kit line up (or auto sculpt). Im not talking about the showy looking kits (practical kits still look sexy), but the effective wide kits and aero types, therefore would allow a user to basically create a race car themselves... I just think there shouldnt be "limits" in the game as far as tuning goes so it would make it more possible to bridge this gap with more than a select few cars.
 
You have to remember that race cars are limited byt the rules of the serries they race in. Compared to a road car of similar weight and power a race cars should win though because of their aerodynamics, weight distribution, transmission and suspension. They might lose on top speed but the cornering performance and the way they use their tires is far superior to a street car.
 
Sohvakettu
You have to remember that race cars are limited byt the rules of the serries they race in. Compared to a road car of similar weight and power a race cars should win though because of their aerodynamics, weight distribution, transmission and suspension. They might lose on top speed but the cornering performance and the way they use their tires is far superior to a street car.
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Yeah your right, but what im trying to say is, why cant we make a road car that could qualify to be in those brackets by having more modification options available. A JGTC/GT300 car is basically a supped up road car, it is easy to tell the make and model of those cars even though they are full on racers.

Example, if you were to use a production line Skyline and tune it to the max and then race it against race cars, it would still be easier just to use JGTC Skyline because it weighs less and has more aero effects making it handle lots better. But if you could shave more weight off the production model and add more aero, then you have your own custom race car.
 
hawkeye122
I took a Clio cup car in my LFA, does that count?
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Again. It's not a time trial. What would be interesting is which one YOU yourself would get the best lap time in. Heaven only knows who was driving the Clio race car or what kind of a driver you are. Right? ;)

BroncosXR8
Most race cars wont have a problem dispatching production cars. The biggest factor being tyres, Race cars have Race tyres, production tyres do NOT.
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You're kidding right? You CAN put racing tires on production cars. In the game, and in real life. In real life auto cross events, in the modified car class, they use RACING tires on the cars. In the unmodified events, in real life, they use sports tires (NOT 'production tires' - called "comfort" in gt5).
(And in real life, a Lotus sports car would never use "comfort" level tires like in the TGTT special event!! LOL)

Anyway, I think the biggest differences between race cars & production cars is that race cars are specifically designed to go really fast on race tracks - they're NOT street legal, & they're not meant to be used for comfortable commuting, carrying groceries or fitting baby seats!! LOL

drivehard
This is a good thread. I was thinking of posting a thread asking which cars are worth destroying in the tune shop. No matter what you do the road cars they simply are not on par with the race cars. Weight, downforce, braking distances, body roll, and more I'm sure, make them perform abnormally. Personally I hate the feel of a 700hp road car on a race track. Why not just use a race car?
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Exactly... Most road cars are not made with a carbon fiber tub that gets jettisoned along with all the other pieces of the car breaking apart on impact. LOL The idea being that when you strap your child in the seat in the back of your Honda Civic you're not expected to have the kind of crash that's possible in a formula race!

And I agree... I like the road cars in gt5 the best... But once you get above 500 hp it DOES seem to start getting a bit silly. But I'm sure some people enjoy that too. To each their own on that score.
 
Newer JGTC/Super GT cars actually have very little to do with the road going models. If we take the GT-R for example the Super GT version is completely rebuild front and rear of the cabin and the cabin roof is lower than street car. Also it's power train and transmission have never even seen a street going GT-R and same can be said about it's purpose build naturally aspirated v8 racing engine. It's also wider than the road going version.

FIA GT cars are a little closer to the road going version, but even those have gone through heavy modifications including v8 engine and rwd drivetrain.

I'm not sure if GT-R is raced in it's "natural" 4wd turbo v6 form anywhere outside virtual world... :confused:
 

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