Car Classes

[darkglobe80]

I've been searching the old internet for ages for this info, but cannae find nowt.

Is there a site or does anyone know how to tell what class of car a car is?
By this, I mean which cars are GT1's, GT2's, S2000 touring cars, Super Production touring cars etc etc etc.

Any help or info muchly appreciated.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Well, I can give you some classes of the LM cars.

C-class: 88C-V, 92CP, C9, etc.
LM-GTP: Toyota GT-ONE, Bentley speed 8, R390 GT1, etc.
LMP-900: R8, V12 LMR, Pesca's
GT1: Viper GTS-R Team Oreca, etc.
Super Touring: I think the cars which competed in GT3's dream car championship


Is this some sort of what your looking for?

 

[darkglobe80]

exactly the info im looking

how about the different types of touring cars etc?

 

[Greycap]

I'd guess that anything with about 300 bhp goes in the WTCC class. At least the BMW Touring Car is used in that series. The Honda Integra goes there too.

I don't know about the S2000 LM though, it doesn't fit any class that I know.

 

[The Italian]

I'd guess that anything with about 300 bhp goes in the WTCC class. At least the BMW Touring Car is used in that series. The Honda Integra goes there too.

I don't know about the S2000 LM though, it doesn't fit any class that I know.

I'd say the S2000 LM goes in WTCC...But I don't know any Toruing Car classes under it..

 

[Kent]

You're going to have a hard time finding info like this regardless of where you look.

Well, that is, if you are looking for real world classifications.

See, part of the problem is the idea of time.
As in, some of the cars listed will be in different categories technically, but they are actually in the same class.

For example,
Pink the Floyd mentioned "Group-C and LMP" but infact, both of those are the same category, just from different years of Le Mans racing.

With that said, you will also find that many cars are related to very specific races and nothing more.
For example, the JGTC 500 cars could probably be classified in a bunch of different classes based on their specs. However, they are all, simply put, Japanese Grand Touring Cars.

This continues on for much of the game. DTM, GTS, GT, etc etc.
(btw, the Oreca Viper is considered a GTS race car, I don't think it is considered a GT1).

Another problem is that many of the cars in this game are made up "dream cars."
Like the FTO LM and the RX7 LM (I think that includes the S2000 LM as well).

So, basically, to wrap this up.

I don't think you can really classify these cars too easily, and for the most part, you have to come up with the classifications on your own.

A great question to compliment this would be "which cars are racing rivals?"
That would set you up to get answers about which cars are categorized in the same classes.

Btw, with so many race cars in the game, I think you might be better off asking about specific race cars rather than just posting generalized questions. 👍

Good luck with your quest for classifications.
You just might need it.

Here's a start though...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMP
http://db.gtrp.de/gt4_arcade_cars.php (.de database has their own system to classify all the cars in the game!)

 

[CBR250RR]

JGTC300

ASL ARTA Garaiya
Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza
Nissan C-West Razo Silvia
Toyota Wedssport Celica
Toyota Superautobacs apex MR-S


JGTC500

Nissan Pennzoil Nismo GTR
Nissan XANAVI Nismo GTR
Nissan MOTUL Pitwork Z
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GTR
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GTR
Nissan Locktite Zexel GTR
Nissan Calsonic Skyline
Toyota Woodone Tom's Supra
Toyota ESSO Ultrflow Supra
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '01
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '00
Toyota au Cerumo Supra
Honda Takata Dome NSX
Honda Raybrig NSX
Honda Mobil 1 NSX
Honda Locktite mugen NSX
Honda Castrol Mugen NSX
Honda ARTA NSX

Touring Cars

Mazda6 Touring Car
Honda Integra Type R touring Car
Subaru Impreza Super touring car
Mercedes CLK Touring car
Mitsubishi FTO super touring car
Opel Calibra touring car
AMG mercedes 190 E 2.5-16 Evo touring car
Toyota Altezza touring car

Theres all the LM spec cars as well as the standard "race" cars (race versions of production cars) like the calsonic racing skyline, the Ford GT race car, the Honda S2000 Race car, Mazda RX-7 race car etc....there is sooo many classes, cant list the all

 

[darkglobe80]

fascinating stuff.
by the way, by S2000 i didn't mean the honda car, but the touring car class. I think this was used in the BTCC in the mid 90's, things lke the Volvo 850, Ford Mondeo....

the reason i asked this question is cos ive got to a point i need fresh challanges, so making db's of car class comparisons was an idea i had.
That site which Kent linked to is an interesting read, but as you say, with ages and things it all becomes very blurred.

Im surprised the FIA doesnt give this information on thier site....

 

[chinny]

When has the FIA ever given information freely?

 

[Moloch_horridus]

Then there are all the unique race cars like the Falcon V8 Supercar - unique to Australia and only races against Commodore (Holden) V8 Supercars - its a bit pointless having one without the other. Likewise for a lot of the historic race cars, its a bit pointless having one without some contemporary competition.

 

[Wolfe]

Then there are all the unique race cars like the Falcon V8 Supercar - unique to Australia and only races against Commodore (Holden) V8 Supercars - its a bit pointless having one without the other. Likewise for a lot of the historic race cars, its a bit pointless having one without some contemporary competition.

If PD had that mindset, I'd be able to drive my beloved E30 M3, as well as the Group A racing version, in GT4...

*cough*Mercedes190EEvoIIandMercedes190Eracecar*/cough*

 

[Master_Yoda]

JGTC300

ASL ARTA Garaiya
Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza
Nissan C-West Razo Silvia
Toyota Wedssport Celica
Toyota Superautobacs apex MR-S


JGTC500

Nissan Pennzoil Nismo GTR
Nissan XANAVI Nismo GTR
Nissan MOTUL Pitwork Z
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GTR
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GTR
Nissan Locktite Zexel GTR
Nissan Calsonic Skyline
Toyota Woodone Tom's Supra
Toyota ESSO Ultrflow Supra
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '01
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '00
Toyota au Cerumo Supra
Honda Takata Dome NSX
Honda Raybrig NSX
Honda Mobil 1 NSX
Honda Locktite mugen NSX
Honda Castrol Mugen NSX
Honda ARTA NSX

Touring Cars

Mazda6 Touring Car
Honda Integra Type R touring Car
Subaru Impreza Super touring car
Mercedes CLK Touring car
Mitsubishi FTO super touring car
Opel Calibra touring car
AMG mercedes 190 E 2.5-16 Evo touring car
Toyota Altezza touring car

Theres all the LM spec cars as well as the standard "race" cars (race versions of production cars) like the calsonic racing skyline, the Ford GT race car, the Honda S2000 Race car, Mazda RX-7 race car etc....there is sooo many classes, cant list the all

that just abouts sums it up!

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

JGTC300

ASL ARTA Garaiya
Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza
Nissan C-West Razo Silvia
Toyota Wedssport Celica
Toyota Superautobacs apex MR-S


JGTC500

Nissan Pennzoil Nismo GTR
Nissan XANAVI Nismo GTR
Nissan MOTUL Pitwork Z
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GTR
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GTR
Nissan Locktite Zexel GTR
Nissan Calsonic Skyline
Toyota Woodone Tom's Supra
Toyota ESSO Ultrflow Supra
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '01
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '00
Toyota au Cerumo Supra
Honda Takata Dome NSX
Honda Raybrig NSX
Honda Mobil 1 NSX
Honda Locktite mugen NSX
Honda Castrol Mugen NSX
Honda ARTA NSX

Touring Cars

Mazda6 Touring Car
Honda Integra Type R touring Car
Subaru Impreza Super touring car
Mercedes CLK Touring car
Mitsubishi FTO super touring car
Opel Calibra touring car
AMG mercedes 190 E 2.5-16 Evo touring car
Toyota Altezza touring car

Theres all the LM spec cars as well as the standard "race" cars (race versions of production cars) like the calsonic racing skyline, the Ford GT race car, the Honda S2000 Race car, Mazda RX-7 race car etc....there is sooo many classes, cant list the all

Doesn't the Asparadrink RX7 also belong in the JGTC300 class?

 

[Kent]

Yes it does Pink.

Also, all those touring cars at the bottom need to be sorted out.

They are an assortment of DTM and Dream cars, maybe even a few odd ones too.

Plus, they deserve that since the Japanese Touring Cars were not lumped in with them (even though they are clearly touring cars!).
(Japanese Grand Touring Cars!)

Also, that list just covers the little bit of stuff you see... It's not really close to the "sums it up" point of a discussion.

The classes of cars need to cover everything, not just the Touring cars that can be remembered (and even amongst those there are still missing cars like the Rx7 pink mentioned and the aussie super touring cars someone else mentioned).

All in all,
This is one of those subjects that would just take forever to answer.

The creator of the thread should really be involved in the process so he/she can work on getting the classifications needed rather than let us try to list every car in the game and make classes for them.

This is indeed a difficult subject to address, especially if we try to use real world classifications and not generalized Gran Turismo classes.

 

[darkglobe80]

The creator of the thread should really be involved in the process so he/she can work on getting the classifications needed rather than let us try to list every car in the game and make classes for them.

Good point 💡

After reading back whats here, can i just say thanks for everyones input thus far.

So this is where we're at thus far I reckon, with the groups I'm interested in (we're talking in GT4 but using real world groups)

LE MANS
Now, this is a complicated one, as mentioned above, theres group c, LMPGT, LMP1, GT!, GT2, GT3....
But using Pinks post from earlier, we can get these -
C-class
88C-V, 92CP, C9, etc., CLK-GTR, Jaguar XJR-9
LM-GTP
Toyota GT-ONE, Bentley speed 8, R390 GT1, Peogout 905?, BMW F1 GTR
LMP-900 (now LMP1)
Audi R8, BMW V12 LMR, Pesca's
GT1
Viper GTS-R Team Oreca, Saleen S7?, Aston Martin Vantage, Jaguar XJ220 LM
GT2
RUF-RGT,

Theres more, and I'm sure some of that aren't right...

DTM
This ones easy
Audi TT-R
Audi A4
Opel Astra
Mercedes-Benz CLK
Mercedes-Benz 190
Alfa Romeo 155
Opel Calibra

BTCC(british Touring cars)
I think are called Super Production Touring Cars)
This one is not easy, as this is where it starts getting confusing with Super 2000 Tourers.
BTCC's are usually 2.0 Focus/Vectra sized cars, but GT4 doesnt have too many of these.
If any at all.....

WTCC
These I think are mainly Super 2000 tourers. A few of these are in the game.
Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car `01
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R Touring Car `01
Mazda Mazda6 Touring Car `02
BMW 320i Touring Car `03

Aussie V8's
Again, easy, just the Ford and the Holden...

Super GT (Nae JGTC)
two groups here, again, all nicely labelled in the game.
GT300
ASL ARTA Garaiya
Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza
Nissan C-West Razo Silvia
Toyota Wedssport Celica
Toyota Superautobacs apex MR-S
GT500
Nissan Pennzoil Nismo GTR
Nissan XANAVI Nismo GTR
Nissan MOTUL Pitwork Z
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GTR
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GTR
Nissan Locktite Zexel GTR
Nissan Calsonic Skyline
Toyota Woodone Tom's Supra
Toyota ESSO Ultrflow Supra
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '01
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '00
Toyota au Cerumo Supra
Honda Takata Dome NSX
Honda Raybrig NSX
Honda Mobil 1 NSX
Honda Locktite mugen NSX
Honda Castrol Mugen NSX
Honda ARTA NSX

There are many other groups that I simply don't know enouggh about to begin to list, but as a start I think we've done well with what we've got, and hopefully I've explained the kind of thing I'm talking about a bit better now.

Start the corrections

 

[Dave A]

I'd say the S2000 LM goes in WTCC...But I don't know any Toruing Car classes under it..

The S2000 is not and can never be a touring car unless Honda make a 4 seater version of it. The S2000 LM is GT car in much the same way as the 300bhp JGTC cars are.

 

[Dave A]

Good point 💡

After reading back whats here, can i just say thanks for everyones input thus far.

So this is where we're at thus far I reckon, with the groups I'm interested in (we're talking in GT4 but using real world groups)

LE MANS
Now, this is a complicated one, as mentioned above, theres group c, LMPGT, LMP1, GT!, GT2, GT3....
But using Pinks post from earlier, we can get these -
C-class
88C-V, 92CP, C9, etc., CLK-GTR, Jaguar XJR-9
LM-GTP
Toyota GT-ONE, Bentley speed 8, R390 GT1, Peogout 905?, BMW F1 GTR
LMP-900 (now LMP1)
Audi R8, BMW V12 LMR, Pesca's
GT1
Viper GTS-R Team Oreca, Saleen S7?, Aston Martin Vantage, Jaguar XJ220 LM
GT2
RUF-RGT,

Theres more, and I'm sure some of that aren't right...

DTM
This ones easy
Audi TT-R
Audi A4
Opel Astra
Mercedes-Benz CLK
Mercedes-Benz 190
Alfa Romeo 155
Opel Calibra

BTCC(british Touring cars)
I think are called Super Production Touring Cars)
This one is not easy, as this is where it starts getting confusing with Super 2000 Tourers.
BTCC's are usually 2.0 Focus/Vectra sized cars, but GT4 doesnt have too many of these.
If any at all.....

WTCC
These I think are mainly Super 2000 tourers. A few of these are in the game.
Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car `01
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R Touring Car `01
Mazda Mazda6 Touring Car `02
BMW 320i Touring Car `03

Aussie V8's
Again, easy, just the Ford and the Holden...

Super GT (Nae JGTC)
two groups here, again, all nicely labelled in the game.
GT300
ASL ARTA Garaiya
Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza
Nissan C-West Razo Silvia
Toyota Wedssport Celica
Toyota Superautobacs apex MR-S
GT500
Nissan Pennzoil Nismo GTR
Nissan XANAVI Nismo GTR
Nissan MOTUL Pitwork Z
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GTR
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GTR
Nissan Locktite Zexel GTR
Nissan Calsonic Skyline
Toyota Woodone Tom's Supra
Toyota ESSO Ultrflow Supra
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '01
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '00
Toyota au Cerumo Supra
Honda Takata Dome NSX
Honda Raybrig NSX
Honda Mobil 1 NSX
Honda Locktite mugen NSX
Honda Castrol Mugen NSX
Honda ARTA NSX

There are many other groups that I simply don't know enouggh about to begin to list, but as a start I think we've done well with what we've got, and hopefully I've explained the kind of thing I'm talking about a bit better now.

Start the corrections

Can I make a few suggestions, in the GT1 class you've put the Aston Martin Vantage, why? It's a road car and there never was a GT racing variation of it. Also the Saleen S7 is a road car and not a race car, so that should go under the class of supercar. The Mercedes CLK-GTR is a GT-1 and so is the McLaren F1 GTR Longtail and the Panoz Esperante GTR-1, and the Nissan R390 GT1 race car.

GT2, this is where the Viper GTS-R Corvette C5R and the Pagani Zonda race car should be.

GT300, the REAmemiya RX-7 goes in that class.

Hope that help, just post if you have any questions regarding the classes I've mentioned.

 

[Tornado]

ALMS/Le Mans 24 Hours
LM-GTP
Toyota GT-One
Bentley Speed 8
Group C
Toyota MINOLTA 88-CV
Nissan R92CP
Nissan R89C
Mercedes Benz Sauber C9
Peugeout 905
Jaguar XJR-9
Mazda 787B
LMP900/LMP1
BMW V12 LMR
Audi R8
Pescarolo Courage '03
Playstation Pescarolo '04
GT1 (old)
Nissan R-390 GT1
Mercedes Benz CLK-GTR
McLaren F1 GTR (Longtail)
Panoz Esperante GTR-1
GTS/GT2 (new GT1)
Jaguar XJ220 LM**
Pagani Zonda C12 LM*
Chevrolet Camaro LM*
Ford GT LM Spec-II*
Ford GT LM*
Nissan Fairlady Z LM*
Nissan Skyline GT-R LM*
Honda NSX-R LM**
Chevrolet Corvette C5-R
Dodge Viper GTR-R Team Oreca
Lister Storm V12
Mazda RX-7 LM*
Mazda RX-8 LM*
GT3/GT
BMW M3 GTR
Mitsubishi FTO LM*
Subaru Impreza LM*
Honda S2000 LM*
Can-Am
Toyota 7
Chaparal 2J
Prototype
Ford GT40
Chaparal 2D
Rallying
Group B
Ford RS200
Lancia Delta S4
Peugeout 205 T16
Mitsubishi Starion
Nissan Silvia 240RS
Peugeout 205 T16 Evo II
Group A/WRC/Group N
Lancia Delta HF Intergrale
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST-185)
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST-205)
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI
Subaru Impreza WRX STi '99
Subaru Impreza '01
Subaru Impreza '03
Mitsubishi Lancer Super Evolution
Citroen Xsara
Ford Escort
Ford Focus
Peugeout 206
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac*
Group 4
Lancia Stratos
Group 2
Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR
Nissan Bluebird 1600SSS
Paris Dakar Rally Raid
Mitsubishi Pajero Rally Raid
Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution Rally Raid
DTM
Audi TT-R
Audi A4
Opel Astra
Mercedes-Benz CLK
Mercedes-Benz 190
Alfa Romeo 155
Opel Calibra
ETCC
BMW 320i Touring Car
WTCC
Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car `01 (though this might possibly be a play on a GT300 car) *
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R Touring Car `01 *
Mazda Mazda6 Touring Car `02 *
Super GT/JGTC
GT300
ASL ARTA Garaiya
Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza
Nissan C-West Razo Silvia
Toyota Wedssport Celica
Toyota Superautobacs apex MR-S
GT500
Nissan Pennzoil Nismo GTR
Nissan XANAVI Nismo GTR
Nissan MOTUL Pitwork Z
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GTR
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GTR
Nissan Locktite Zexel GTR
Nissan Calsonic Skyline
Toyota Woodone Tom's Supra
Toyota ESSO Ultrflow Supra
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '01
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '00
Toyota au Cerumo Supra
Honda Takata Dome NSX
Honda Raybrig NSX
Honda Mobil 1 NSX
Honda Locktite mugen NSX
Honda Castrol Mugen NSX
Honda ARTA NSX
Japan GT Endurance Series
Gathers Drider Civic Type R race car
JTCC
1600CC
Mugen Motul Civic Si Race Car

*Not real cars.
**Not a real car, but based heavily on one in real life (Honda NSX LM '95, Jaguar XJ220 C TWR)

 

[Dave A]

Thats a nicely done list 👍.

 

[Kent]

Well done with one quick error.

Meet the ...
1995 GT2 NSX LM Racecar

Le Mans race
&
Best Motoring test

 

[ejr_1]

Another error is the Bently Speed 8. It is classified as an LMP 900 race car from 2003.

 

[Tornado]

Another error is the Bently Speed 8. It is classified as an LMP 900 race car from 2003.

Not so.

In 2001 Bentley returned to the famous 24 Hours of Le Mans race, after a gap of 73 years, with the Speed 8. The car, an advanced closed-top sports-prototype, built to the ACO LM GTP regulations

Also, Mulsanne's Corner also counts it as a LM GTP car.

Well done with one quick error.

Meet the ...
1995 GT2 NSX LM Racecar

Le Mans race
&
Best Motoring test

Would that count? I know the NSX-R in GT4 looks similar and is probably based around the design, but would it count as the same car?
Also, if anyone could help, I need some info regarding the XJ220 LM. I know there was one in real life, but I don't know as to whether it had any thing to do with the one in the game. I don't even know if it looks the same.

 

[Kent]

Would that count? I know the NSX-R in GT4 looks similar and is probably based around the design, but would it count as the same car?

Not sure I follow you.
I'm pretty sure the road car was never made, but the racecar is something else...

Looking closely at the cars, I see differences.
Specifically, the elf logo on the hood of the game's car, and the "J-name" logo on the hood of the car from those pictures.
The GT4 car has different race numbers as well as minor sponsor logos.

However, it still seems to be the same car in terms of "model."
The major sponsor logo and paint scheme is the same though.

I think we need to decide if we want to know if the car was made, or if the GT4 car was ever raced in that exact form.

I'm guessing it is the same car with messed up years (maybe license related) and with different minor sponsor logos due to changes during the racing season.

Just a guess there.

Regardless of the exact paint and number scheme, the red Kenwood car with gold rims is enough to convince me.

One more observation... The GT4 model doesn't have any "GT4" logos on it. That might be a sign that the car was modeled from a real world car and wasn't a creation of PD.

 

[Tornado]

Not sure I follow you.
I'm pretty sure the road car was never made, but the racecar is something else...

Looking closely at the cars, I see differences.
Specifically, the elf logo on the hood of the game's car, and the "J-name" logo on the hood of the car from those pictures.
The GT4 car has different race numbers as well as minor sponsor logos.

However, it still seems to be the same car in terms of "model."
The major sponsor logo and paint scheme is the same though.

I think we need to decide if we want to know if the car was made, or if the GT4 car was ever raced in that exact form.

I'm guessing it is the same car with messed up years (maybe license related) and with different minor sponsor logos due to changes during the racing season.

Just a guess there.

Regardless of the exact paint and number scheme, the red Kenwood car with gold rims is enough to convince me.

One more observation... The GT4 model doesn't have any "GT4" logos on it. That might be a sign that the car was modeled from a real world car and wasn't a creation of PD.

I understand the fact that it looks very similar in terms of sponsorship, paint scheme and over all look in general. I'm just wondering because it is based on the 2002 model NSX by looks, such as headlight and tailight designs if it should count as the same car.

Compared to this:

It also has the GT wavy flag thing underneath the car name in the garage screen that all of the other mythical race cars from GT4 (S2000 LM, Atenza Touring Car, etc.). That, along the fact that you can change the wheels (which you can only do on the PD created race cars) confuses me so.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

.Also, if anyone could help, I need some info regarding the XJ220 LM. I know there was one in real life, but I don't know as to whether it had any thing to do with the one in the game. I don't even know if it looks the same.

This is the closest looking one I could find using Google. I'm pretty sure I've seen a better photo posted here on GTP a while ago.

Seems it is the one from GT4, just a few different decals, and different number.

 

[Kent]

Understandingly.

Maybe this car is more of a hybrid real-life/ PD-creation car?

I don't know what it is.

Maybe it's just a PD creation based on a real life car with the rights to make it happen realistically in an updated form?

Whatever the case...

Btw, excellent find radicool. 👍

 

[Tornado]

This is the closest looking one I could find using Google. I'm pretty sure I've seen a better photo posted here on GTP a while ago.

Seems it is the one from GT4, just a few different decals, and different number.

Thanks. It gave me something to go on. List updated.

 

[General Gravy]

And just to tell you, I think the Super Evolution is based on the real WRC version, just different paint jobs and whatnot.

 

[Greycap]

If any of you have played the original GT, you probably remember the NSX GT1 from there. It raced in Le Mans in the nineties and was a real car. The LM Race Car in GT4 is given the same motif colouring, but I don't think it's a real car.

Hope this clears things up.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Here we go. A better picture of the XJ220 LM Racecar. I know that theres another one, and I'm gonna be searching for it for atleast another hour.