Car of the Week 228: COTY GTS Finale

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As I mentioned just as everyone was leaving, apologies for the rather poor racing on my end! I appear to be in a bit of a slump lately as far as my driving, and the most agonizing part of it is that I'm fully aware of it.

You're not the only one, Nate. I lost my mojo a month ago. To add to that, I switched to manual trans 3 weeks ago and I'm just not doing so well at the moment. Apologies to everyone for my several off course expeditions that ended up with me in the middle of the track blocking everyone.

I think the Supra is not so super. It's been mentioned elsewhere on GTPlanet that it's twitchy. It has some pretty quick turn-in, plus soft suspension and poor lateral grip. I practiced offline and figured out (as did @Vic Reign93 and @05XR8 ) that hanging the back end out and sliding around turns is the way to drive this fast. Unfortunately, missing mojo, I wasn't able to do that effectively on race night. I'm not sure it's better than the '97 Supra RZ. @Baron Blitz Red, @Racer283 and I had a nice battle at Maggiore and BBR's RZ was a match for both of us.

Verdict: neutral

I think my Daigo Saito drift livery must have affected my car's lateral grip. Livery courtesy of kiaryuken1. It's all his fault. :lol:

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I'm heading south to Mississippi for a week-long vacation tomorrow morning, so this will be a quick take. I will say this without hesitation: The new Supra beats the old one we tested previously by a mile. Looks better, feels more powerful, and far more eager on turn-in. If I had to buy a Toyota (a brand I don't have any affinity for) tomorrow, there's a good chance it would be this one. Too expensive in-game is its biggest fault. Neutral verdict.

See you in April!
 
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I was very excited to see us get the all new Supra even before the public could get one. I often don't agree with a lot of decisions PD makes with their product but then sometimes they do stuff that so cool like this.
Wouldn't you know it all my excitement ended after a few short laps in the Supra because this just might be one of the most ill handling cars in GTS and it goes way beyond just getting those tires lose in rear. The new Supra will get away from you with almost no warning and zero driver feedback. You can tell when most cars are on the edge and when & when not to push the limits but not this thing.
The Supra feels like its only design is to be a drift car and attempting any other type of racing will cause the Supra to fight back and lose control.
Let's hope the real cars drives nothing like the game version.
It does however have a top speed of 190+ mph so that's something positive.

It also didn't help that this was my first COTW race after switching to a wheel. I don't recommend this car for your first race on a wheel.

Unfortunately this car earns High Beater Mark's and it's a complete disappointment compared to the past Supra's.
My Beater verdict might change as time goes on because just like the constant evolving updates GTS receives Toyota has announced it will be doing the same with this Supra as the Toyota Tournament get underway. So the Supra we are diving now will not be the same Supra a year from now.

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I expected it to be faster for the price, is it because it's too heavy?
Anyway, has anybody managed sub-8 minutes stock on Nordeschleife?
 
Supra Fun!!!

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Well, the New Supra was an eye opener, as in my humble opinion, she's a totally different drive versus the older models. My mind goes to the race at Autopolis, where I found my "inner drifter" being employed more than not. As an automatic tranny driver (yes, STILL), I found the 2019 version better suited to my liking, but I still found my experience in the 20+ year old RZ to be the one I preferred. Just not as fun though...

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She a looker for sure, and I'm glad they kept the spirit of the Supra style alive. Was the 20 year wait worth it??? Meh, I'm not so sure about that. The R&D that 20 years should have given it, I thought would have blown the '97 out of the water... cue the MX-5 comparison. Similar to that car, the older version was more than just competitive against the much younger model with all the newest tech. Which begs the question... WHY???

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I don't have that answer, but it certainly doesn't justify the wait of an entire generation time wise... it's a fun, way fun and exhilarating drive, but one that needs constant attention to what's happening. Definitely NOT a "point and shoot car", as you'll just shoot off the road if not careful. Neutral status, but looking forward to a real life test drive if I'm lucky enough to see the day.

Cheers
 
Did a 07.25.xxx with it on the Nordschleife. Considering its HP, this thing is absolutely out of this world with its lap times. Unfortunatly, it - along with the DB11, killed my Thrustmaster T300 RS. Obvioulsy it's a huge sleaper!
 
Honda 2&4 powered by RC213V
999 cc
211 hp / 13,500 rpm
87.3 ft-lbs / 11,000 rpm
893 lbs (405 kg)

It's got one of the best naturally-aspirated liter-bike engines ever produced. 211 horsepower per liter. The S2000 only achieved 120 hp/L for example.

After 15 laps at Tsukuba, this was the best I could do. Anyone up for a sub-1:00 challenge?



Cars within 0.500 seconds:

1:00.443 - Citroen GT by Citroen Road Car
1:00.445 - Nissan GT-R
1:00.465 - Lamborghini Diablo GT
1:00.537 - GT Awards (SEMA) 1967 Chevy Nova
1:00.556 - Ford GT40 Mark I
1:00.564 - Ferrari F50
1:00.584 - Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.3 Road Car
1:00.595 - Ford GT
1:00.738 - Honda NSX
1:00.787 - Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
1:00.822 - Shelby Cobra 427
1:00.864 - Honda 2&4 powered by RC213V
1:00.865 - Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3 Road Car
1:00.930 - Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S
1:00.948 - Toyota S-FR Racing Concept
1:00.986 - Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe
1:00.995 - Peugeot RCZ Gr.3 Road Car
1:01.191 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
1:01.226 - KTM X-Bow R
1:01.233 - Porsche 911 GT3 (997)
1:01.237 - Mazda Atenza Gr.3 Road Car
1:01.240 - Ford Mustang Gr.3 Road Car
1:01.249 - Aston Martin DB11

Easily trounces the KTM X-Bow and is evenly matched against the Shelby Cobra. Fantastic screamer of a "car."
 
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New Week, New ride ! And this week, it's that Motorbike engined car that most people knows from Project Cars 2's Japanese Car Pack DLC.

Anyways, here's the Second Investigation board for week 28 (cars are still missing, pls giv mi creditz LOL)


1 – Week 4 – Fittipaldi EF7 VGT : 1'15,991

2 – Week 24 – BMW M3 GT Gr.3 : 1'17,951

3 – Week 9 – Chevrolet Corvette Gr.3 : 1'18,275

4 – Week 21 – Subaru WRX STI Isle of Man Time Attack Car : 1'18,306

5 – Week 17 – Shelby Cobra : 1'21,171

6 – Week 12 – Lamborghini Diablo GT'00 : 1'21,462

7 – Week 9 – Chevrolet Corvette Gr.4 : 1'22,336

8 – Week 3 – Toyota S-FR Racing Concept : 1'22,483

9 – Week 20 – Jaguar F-Type R Coupe'14 : 1'22,719

10 – Week 10 – Renault Megane Gr.4 : 1'22,893

11 – Week 9 – Chevrolet Corvette Stingray'14 : 1'23,778

12 – Week 16 – Dodge Viper GTS'02 : 1'24,113

13 – Week 28 – Honda Project 2&4 : 1'24,543

14 – Week 27 – Toyota GR Supra'19 : 1'25,250

15 – Week 5 – Porsche 911 GT3 996 :1'26,845

16 – (2018 Car of the Year) Week 2 – Alpine A110 Premiere Edition'17 : 1'27,799

17 – Week 24 – BMW M3 Coupe : 1'28,179

18 – Week 7 – Honda NSX Type R'92 : 1'28,450

19 – Week 23 – De Tomaso Pantera'71 : 1'28,488

20 – Week 14 – Sung Kang's Greddy Fugu Z : 1'28,818

21 – Week 22 – Toyota Supra RZ'97 : 1'28,856

22 – Week 1 – Honda Civic Type R'15 : 1'29,156

23 – Week 13 – Subaru Impreza 22B : 1'29,349

24 – (2018 Beater of the Year) Week 11 – Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track'13 : 1'29,503

25 – Week 6 – Nissan 300 ZX : 1'30,978

26 – Week 10 – Renault Megane R.S. Trophy'11 : 1'31,768

27 – Week 15 – BMW M3 Sport Evolution'89 : 1'33,234

28 – Week 19 – Suzuki Swift'07 : 1'41,266

29 – Week 26 – Mazda MX 5 Eunos Roadster'89 : 1'43,429

A scary car to drive, that's for sure. But it is quicker than last week's ride by 7 tenths !
 
On Tsukuba.....

(N500) Shelby Cobra 427 '66: 1:02.560
(N500) Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe '06: 1:02.578
(N700) Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4 '11: 1:02.592
(N800) 1967 Chevy Nova: 1:02.684
(N600) Jaguar F-Type R '14: 1:02.702
(Gr.X) Honda Project 2&4 powered by RC213V: 1:02.752
(N700) Ferrari Enzo Ferrari '02: 1:02.866
(N500) Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe '06: 1:02.882
(N400) Porsche 911 GT3 (997) '08: 1:02.991
(Gr.X) INFINITI CONCEPT VGT: 1:03.061
(N700) Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat '15: 1:03.137


It's a unique vehicle to say the least.....
 
Back from vacation. Haven't driven the Honda Two By Four at all, but I can say it instantly reminded me of Smokey Yunick's infamous "Capsule Car" that he tried to have qualified for the 1964 Indianapolis 500:

Speaking of crazy ideas, what did I do after driving a couple thousand miles for a vacation this past week? Why, drive in a virtual FIA Manufacturer Series race of course!

 
New Week, New Lap !

Here's the board after this week, around Autopolis (Cars are still missing, tho) :


1 – Week 4 – Fittipaldi EF7 VGT : 1'15,991

2 – Week 24 – BMW M3 GT Gr.3 : 1'17,951

3 – Week 9 – Chevrolet Corvette Gr.3 : 1'18,275

4 – Week 21 – Subaru WRX STI Isle of Man Time Attack Car : 1'18,306

5 – Week 29 – Ford Mustang Gr.3 : 1'19,156

6 – Week 17 – Shelby Cobra : 1'21,171

7 – Week 12 – Lamborghini Diablo GT'00 : 1'21,462

8 – Week 9 – Chevrolet Corvette Gr.4 : 1'22,336

9 – Week 3 – Toyota S-FR Racing Concept : 1'22,483

10 – Week 20 – Jaguar F-Type R Coupe'14 : 1'22,719

11 – Week 10 – Renault Megane Gr.4 : 1'22,893

12 – Week 9 – Chevrolet Corvette Stingray'14 : 1'23,778

13 – Week 16 – Dodge Viper GTS'02 : 1'24,113

14 – Week 28 – Honda Project 2&4 : 1'24,543

15 – Week 27 – Toyota GR Supra'19 : 1'25,250

16 – Week 5 – Porsche 911 GT3 996 :1'26,845

17 – (2018 Car of the Year) Week 2 – Alpine A110 Premiere Edition'17 : 1'27,799

18 – Week 24 – BMW M3 Coupe : 1'28,179

19 – Week 7 – Honda NSX Type R'92 : 1'28,450

20 – Week 23 – De Tomaso Pantera'71 : 1'28,488

21 – Week 14 – Sung Kang's Greddy Fugu Z : 1'28,818

22 – Week 22 – Toyota Supra RZ'97 : 1'28,856

23 – Week 1 – Honda Civic Type R'15 : 1'29,156

24 – Week 13 – Subaru Impreza 22B : 1'29,349

25 – (2018 Beater of the Year) Week 11 – Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track'13 : 1'29,503

26 – Week 6 – Nissan 300 ZX : 1'30,978

27 – Week 10 – Renault Megane R.S. Trophy'11 : 1'31,768

28 – Week 15 – BMW M3 Sport Evolution'89 : 1'33,234

29 – Week 19 – Suzuki Swift'07 : 1'41,266

30 – Week 26 – Mazda MX 5 Eunos Roadster'89 : 1'43,429

Slowest Gr.3 So Far, but one of the finest.
 
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"YOU Are One Fun Car!!!!!"
I really quite enjoy lightweight track day cars. The KTM X-Bow, the Suzuki GSX-R4, The LCC Rocket... All comparatively underpowered but no less capable. Remember the time I used a Rocket to take a grid of X2014Jrs?

The Honda 2&4 continues the philosophy of "less is more". Take a small but punchy motorcycle engine, mount it in a body that weighs as close to zero as possible, and then make it handle like an absolute dream! With zero overhang on either end, 200bhp on tap and a power to weight ratio up there with the big names, it goes without saying that this is one capable car!

And truly, it is!

It's not the quickest off the mark, but once it's going, boy is it going! It clings to corners with ease, and sometimes it almost has too much grip, you'll steer too much expecting it to slide or understeer when in fact you end up slamming into the inside wall! It's also surprisingly comfortable to drive in 1st person, which is a bonus as I quite like to drive in car as often as I can.

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The main let down for me wasn't even the car's fault. With my brand new Logitech G29 race wheel and shifter combo, I could shift much faster than the game usually does for the rest of you, meaning instant off the line gains. Unfortunately, being my first day with such a setup, I would always end up crunching a gear or two at some point, losing valuable momentum and watching everyone pull away. Totally not the car's fault, and now I look forward to the next manual car we race that I can use the shifter on!

The 2&4 is an excellent car, and one I'll happily race again! SLEEPER!!! 👍


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I think someone should tell @Baron Blitz Red that's not how chicanes work.

Also, there's still time for me to make more variants of the Mustang COTW livery, for anyone else wanting one last minute.
 
The main let down for me wasn't even the car's fault. With my brand new Logitech G29 race wheel and shifter combo, I could shift much faster than the game usually does for the rest of you, meaning instant off the line gains. Unfortunately, being my first day with such a setup, I would always end up crunching a gear or two at some point, losing valuable momentum and watching everyone pull away. Totally not the car's fault, and now I look forward to the next manual car we race that I can use the shifter on!

It has absolutely nothing to do with you or your setup.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/your-opinions-on-the-h-shifter-clutch-changes.386449/
 
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