Career mode AI nearly ruining the game for me

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GT6 has a lot of good things going for it, and I've always loved the career mode and license tests in the GT series, which is I guess why I'm letting the AI's complete lack of etiquette/right-of-way irritate me so much. I've so far gotten all gold on everything up to iA and still going, one-shot most gold license tests, but career races are getting increasingly frustrating. Safely passing 11 other moving roadblocks just in time to get punted, spun, shoved into a wall, or even shoved into the pit lane, is not my idea of fun. Good luck running 3-wide on the oval, or even 1-wide for that matter, for example.

(Not to toot my own horn overmuch, but I think it's important to mention I'm not a complete idiot: I drive with a G27 and no assists (unless mandatory), got the David and Goliath trophy on the first eligible race while eating a burrito in my shifter hand, and have years of competitive league sim experience in rFactor 1/2, iRacing, and others).

A lot of races I've found myself upgrading excessively so I can overpower the field and turn the last four laps into a time trial. Not as much fun, but at least lets me clear content to unlock the races that are fun.

I know "bad AI" is not exactly breaking news for the GT series, but is there anything I'm missing that would make the career mode (which I otherwise love!) any more realistic/less frustrating?
 
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I find that GT6's bright side is Time Trialing or if you're daring, online. I found the career mode more of tutorial on how the cars handle rather than an actual career.

When and if they include "private lounges" like they did in GT5, I'd be a very happy camper. I don't like driving with people I don't know, too unpredictable.
 
Agreed with you there, Blunt. It's just that the career mode is about the only thing that I prefer about GT over other sims. If I want time trialing and detailed car tuning, rFactor + MoTeC + LiveRacers (online rankings) + iHUD. If I want good, close, professional races, well, really, leagues. :-)
 
Krayzi
I know "bad AI" is not exactly breaking news for the GT series, but is there anything I'm missing that would make the career mode (which I otherwise love!) any more realistic/less frustrating?
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Sadly no. I don't think so anyway. The AI is IMO one of the worst things about GT6. The way they pootle along until you pass them, suddenly try to overtake you, and slow down if they do - not to mention the fact that they don't acknowledge your existence, frequently driving into the side and back of you.

I don't like having an overpowered car in the career races. I much prefer being in a car that can only just win. I usually find a setup for the suspension and LSD and only buy parts that don't add power, like the twin plate clutch and weight reductions, in an attempt to out handle the AI. I needn't bother. The AI drives so slow that you can just stick a whacking great turbo in and out do the competition on the fast bits and drive around them (like a maniac) on the twisty bits. There's so little skill to it at times.

Now i've finished the career, and can't play online most of the time due to a poor connection, i replay some of the latter career championships with a fully tuned car (not always max powered, just tuned to my liking) that is way faster than the competion and attempt to complete each race with as few bumps into the back of the AI as they break way too early, and side on collisions as they forget you're overtaking them, as possible, knowing that i can make up the time lost weaving around them.

Where my first attempts were to overtake in as realistic a fashion as possible and have a close, competitive race, now the annoying AI has made me think i'm just weaving around mobile traffic cones in an attempt to catch the gold trophy i.e. the only car that has turned up to race that starts in first or second EVERY DAMN TIME, like some kind of ever evolving license test.

The only way i can see the career races becoming any less frustrating and more realistic is a massive re-do of the way the AI behaves and the addition of qualifying. Obviously the AI would need to be capable of actually racing you otherwise you'd qualify first everytime and spend 5 laps setting lap times. That's not a race. They would need to be able to take alternative lines around corners based on where you are when they're coming past and be able to drive defensivley when you're behind them instead of just appearing to block you as they do at the moment.

This would require PD to stop using copy-paste-remove tactics with their evolutions of GT and actually develop the game not just the physics. GT6 is essentially just GT5 with some updated car physics (that are apparently broken to some extent) and some features removed. I still enjoy it for some reason, i'm just not too sure why anymore. Maybe it's the Moon missions :odd:.
 
The A.I. Pretty much ruined my experience of GT6... Since I've started playing the new gen GTs (GT5) that A.I. challenged me, but I've grown really good on this, so now that GT6 came along the A.I. is just too boring and lifeless. It pretty much becomes obstacles that you need to overtake in races, and that is not right. I am not confy with GT6 to the point where i can just hop in an online race like i would do in GT5. GT6 has not been as good as i hoped it would be. The A.I. sure has a lot of fault on that one. I've been doing every race with the cars that you win, and in some they are just really underpowered but i still win with no effort. And to try and "fix" this, the game just puts an overpowered car against you on one or another race, but it doesn't become challenging it just becomes frustrating. And that is not the worst thing, the worst thing is that GT6 still seems to have that god awful system where the A.I. cheats to become challenging, but again it's just more frustration. And for some reason at times the cars just flat out brake. I remember being against a GT-R and it just had like an instant drop on speed the moment it hit me or i passed it. Like if the game cut the speed on purpose so it would be easier to get away from him. And how the time difference between you and the car in first place is so consistent on the first couple of laps but on the last ones it just drops down 3 or 4 seconds out of nowhere. Again, this all feels like the game just dumbs down so it is easy for the newcomers or the arcade players. But in the end is just this zombie feel from the A.I. that ruins the career mode. I remember Jordan saying a lot of months ago that the A.I. felt really good and that it actually competed and tried to overtake you, but right now that is complete bull. I don't know if PD is going to patch this. It probably is going to make the A.I. do a thousand different things but not address the main issue.

Now that i am in a more skilled stage i just cant find enjoyment on GT... AC is giving me a lot more than GT does. And i never thought it would come to that. I used to stand up for GT5, because i knew that GT6 would be a lot better and actually fix everything GT5 was doing wrong. But instead all i get is things i don't really care about. Sure is great to have new content, but the game does not deliver. The physics issues are also flat out stupid. Some cars look like they will have their rear ends ping of to space when they brake. It's just idiotic. Everything feels a lot more spongy. I didn't like it that GT5 was so "stiff" but GT6 actually exaggerated trying to fix this. I still hope that PD will patch this. But i truly hope that they'll make an actual game from the ground up for the PS4 other than just copying code.

I still respect PD and Kaz and all their work and effort. But c'mon, you guys can do a lot better than this.
 
Here are some ideas:


1) Use very low brake balances with ABS Off. This will increase your braking distances to compensate for the early braking of the AI.

2) Use a tyre compound 2 steps lower than the AI, this will help compensate for their slow cornering.

3) Use a slightly underpowered car, this will compensate for the draft being unrealistically strong in Career mode.

4) In the main Options menu, set the AI slider to 0 - non-aggressive. I'm not sure if this affects Career Mode (or even works for that matter), but hey...it's worth a shot!


Hope that helps you out some. 👍
 
VBR
Here are some ideas:


1) Use very low brake balances with ABS Off. This will increase your braking distances to compensate for the early braking of the AI.

2) Use a tyre compound 2 steps lower than the AI, this will help compensate for their slow cornering.

3) Use a slightly underpowered car, this will compensate for the draft being unrealistically strong in Career mode.

4) In the main Options menu, set the AI slider to 0 - non-aggressive. I'm not sure if this affects Career Mode (or even works for that matter), but hey...it's worth a shot!


Hope that helps you out some. 👍
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Interesting. I'll try this but i worry that in some events catching the rabbit may become almost impossible.
 
VBR
Here are some ideas:


1) Use very low brake balances with ABS Off. This will increase your braking distances to compensate for the early braking of the AI.

2) Use a tyre compound 2 steps lower than the AI, this will help compensate for their slow cornering.

3) Use a slightly underpowered car, this will compensate for the draft being unrealistically strong in Career mode.

4) In the main Options menu, set the AI slider to 0 - non-aggressive. I'm not sure if this affects Career Mode (or even works for that matter), but hey...it's worth a shot!


Hope that helps you out some. 👍
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This to me is stupid. Having to do all this to be able to play a game is ridiculous. And although it is good for you to train having less powerful brakes and worser compound tires, against the A.I. it won't make a difference.

You see GT6's A.I. has two modes. The easy one where it puts a red carpet on your line so you can overtake them, and a hard mode which is a really overpowered car, put 10 places above you, that just gets faster and faster by every lap. The thing is that the later is impossible to overtake with a slow setup. It all becomes frustrating really quick and that just makes me get off the game and go and do something else. I should not feel like this playing a GT game.
 
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This to me is stupid. Having to do all this to be able to play a game is ridiculous. And although it is good for you to train having less powerful brakes and worser compound tires, against the A.I. it won't make a difference.

You see GT6's A.I. has two modes. The easy one where it puts a red carpet on your line so you can overtake them, and a hard mode which is a really overpowered car, put 10 places above you, that just gets faster and faster by every lap. The thing is that the later is impossible to overtake with a slow setup. It all becomes frustrating really quick and that just makes me get off the game and go and do something else. I should not feel like this playing a GT game.
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You are correct. You shouldn't have to do this. But as suggestions go for making races a little more realistic it isn't bad. Unfortunately, as you say, you may struggle to catch 1st place like this. No quick adjustments to car or options will make the AI behave any different.
 

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