Career Mode

[3spddrft]

Has there been any attempt at setting up rules for a sort of Career Mode? One where the prize money was less and you had to rely less on having a very fast car. One where you had to go practice driving for so long before re running a race? Also some system for when you win enough races with one car it gets known and you can get sponsors for tires which you would need to spend money on as they wore out.

I tried to search for career mode but did not find anyone trying to make a set up like this. Sorry if my thread is trash.

BTW I'm tired of people with 50 cars in their garage and millions of credits. Takes so much of the budget racer realism out of it for me. I feel like status isn't earned.

 

[luftrofl]

A career mode would be very awesome indeed.

But after you've won say, a 24hr race at la sarthe, would they let you race in the beginner championships?

 

[FoolKiller]

Has there been any attempt at setting up rules for a sort of Career Mode? One where the prize money was less and you had to rely less on having a very fast car. One where you had to go practice driving for so long before re running a race? Also some system for when you win enough races with one car it gets known and you can get sponsors for tires which you would need to spend money on as they wore out.

I tried to search for career mode but did not find anyone trying to make a set up like this. Sorry if my thread is trash.

BTW I'm tired of people with 50 cars in their garage and millions of credits. Takes so much of the budget racer realism out of it for me. I feel like status isn't earned.

Do you mean like an online racing league type set up or in-game? I can't imagine how much trouble setting an online career mode like you are talking about would be. How do you set up a fake career mode with sponsors and stuff and keep track of everyone?

As for in-game many people want it but uintil PD puts it in we just have GT Mode, which is better than any other racing game can offer as far as I am concerned.

Also, I have 94 cars in my garage and I haven't bought more than 10. The rest I won. For many of us the cars are a huge part of the game. I like being able to take a Viper out to Laguna Seca or an M3 out to The Ring just to drive around and enjoy the car. I'll do photomode or practice and just drive my car around over and over when I just want to relax and not worry about trying to win a race or beat a mission. Car selection is part of what makes GT so great. What's the point of 700+ cars if you only own a handful at a time?

 

[3spddrft]

As for in-game many people want it but uintil PD puts it in we just have GT Mode, which is better than any other racing game can offer as far as I am concerned.

I'm not sure if you are right on this one. I know officially we would still be bound by the rules of GT Mode but if people are so desperate for it couldn't we take the extra winnings being spared as sponsorship money?

Also, I have 94 cars in my garage and I haven't bought more than 10. The rest I won. For many of us the cars are a huge part of the game. I like being able to take a Viper out to Laguna Seca or an M3 out to The Ring just to drive around and enjoy the car. I'll do photomode or practice and just drive my car around over and over when I just want to relax and not worry about trying to win a race or beat a mission. Car selection is part of what makes GT so great. What's the point of 700+ cars if you only own a handful at a time?

I think the point of 700+ cars is not so people can drive whatever they want whenever they want act like spoiled brats. I think it was intended more so that many different types of drivers could have options inside of their niche. So people who like MR street cars can have options or the BMW guy or the Ford guy.

 

[Kylehnat]

I think the point of 700+ cars is not so people can drive whatever they want whenever they want act like spoiled brats. I think it was intended more so that many different types of drivers could have options inside of their niche. So people who like MR street cars can have options or the BMW guy or the Ford guy.

You really don't know how to have fun with this game, do you?

 

[1989therat]

I hope in the next one that you cannot transfer your money/credits to it. It takes the fun out of the game. My favorite races are in the beginning. Career mode would be excellent..great idea.

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm not sure if you are right on this one. I know officially we would still be bound by the rules of GT Mode but if people are so desperate for it couldn't we take the extra winnings being spared as sponsorship money?

The only extra winnings I see are the cars, but that gives it a video game aspect in that certain cars can only be won. It creates a challeneg to get that special car you would love to drive.

An in-game career mode would almost have to be seperate from GT Mode because a career mode would necessitate you using only one car type the entire season and then only changing if a different team or manufacturer sponsor came along. For people who love driving the different cars this would not be fun. Replacing GT Mode with a career mode would eliminate what I believe to be the biggest part of their fan base, at least from what I see here at GTP.

I think the point of 700+ cars is not so people can drive whatever they want whenever they want act like spoiled brats. I think it was intended more so that many different types of drivers could have options inside of their niche. So people who like MR street cars can have options or the BMW guy or the Ford guy.

But what about the car guy, the guy who drools over exotics and sports cars of all kinds, seeing the different yet equally great attributes in them all, while only earning $30,000-$40,000 a year and being forced to drive a four cylinder in real life (me)? I love the little two seater British sports cars but I also love a Shelby GT 350. Not everyone is a niche guy and most people on this board at least love the idea of having multiple cars to drive around and experience the best they will ever be able to.

You may see it as acting like a spoiled brat but it is the closest thing I will get to experiencing many of these cars without winning the lottery. If they wanted the game to focus on niche fans then they would make you choose a region like other games (Forza or Enthusia - I forget which) and limit most of your choices to those cars.

In short (because I am about to leave work and home is split between GT4 and the wife), career mode would be great as an addition but not as a replacement to GT Mode because many people are having fun with the multiple cars instead of being a stickler and trying to stick to only one type. If they wanted us to do that then why do we have a possible 1000 car garage?

I won't see your response until tomorrow morning (EST) so I apologize in advance for not quickly responding.

 

[3spddrft]

An in-game career mode would almost have to be seperate from GT Mode because a career mode would necessitate you using only one car type the entire season and then only changing if a different team or manufacturer sponsor came along. For people who love driving the different cars this would not be fun. Replacing GT Mode with a career mode would eliminate what I believe to be the biggest part of their fan base, at least from what I see here at GTP.

My idea for career mode wouldn't be for PD to replace GT mode in anyway or for people to not have all the cars they wanted. It would just be a new way for them to challenge themselves and spend more time working through the different levels.

But what about the car guy, the guy who drools over exotics and sports cars of all kinds, seeing the different yet equally great attributes in them all, while only earning $30,000-$40,000 a year and being forced to drive a four cylinder in real life (me)? I love the little two seater British sports cars but I also love a Shelby GT 350. Not everyone is a niche guy and most people on this board at least love the idea of having multiple cars to drive around and experience the best they will ever be able to.

like I said it would not be replacing GT mode. Career would just be a new way to enjoy GT4 the game we love.

You may see it as acting like a spoiled brat but it is the closest thing I will get to experiencing many of these cars without winning the lottery. If they wanted the game to focus on niche fans then they would make you choose a region like other games (Forza or Enthusia - I forget which) and limit most of your choices to those cars.

I think if you want it bad enough you can probably get it. I don't know anything about the regions in Forza or Enthusia.

In short (because I am about to leave work and home is split between GT4 and the wife), career mode would be great as an addition but not as a replacement to GT Mode because many people are having fun with the multiple cars instead of being a stickler and trying to stick to only one type. If they wanted us to do that then why do we have a possible 1000 car garage?

Well, I can think of a couple reasons for a 1000 car garage. One, some people like to say "I have every car in GT4". Two, some people come to own a lot of cars because they are heavily involved in doing research on the different cars providing the GTP comunity with useful information.

I'm still trying to work out kinks of how a career mode would even begin to work. I would like for people to pay for their tires. Even the best driver can't get the funds and cars that some people are getting in just weeks in GT4.

 

[marty_one]

Has there been any attempt at setting up rules for a sort of Career Mode? One where the prize money was less and you had to rely less on having a very fast car. One where you had to go practice driving for so long before re running a race? Also some system for when you win enough races with one car it gets known and you can get sponsors for tires which you would need to spend money on as they wore out.

I tried to search for career mode but did not find anyone trying to make a set up like this. Sorry if my thread is trash.

BTW I'm tired of people with 50 cars in their garage and millions of credits. Takes so much of the budget racer realism out of it for me. I feel like status isn't earned.

I know that its not the same as the GT series but if you want something like this why dont you look at "Enthusia" the career mode is based around days, car setup and race competitions.

 

[Uncle Harry]

Closest you could do is this.
1. Use your 10,000 and buy a cheap 2nd hand car on day 1.
2. Enter races with no license requirements. Gradually improve car with winnings. Do not proceed until all races won in this category.
3.Do National B license bronze level only.
4. Enter races open to National B licence.Do not progress untill you won all races in that specific group.
Continue as above, advancing to next level only when all in that level are won.
Do not use prize cars. Do not sell prize cars.
Make your own rules to suit what you want.

 

[JTSnooks]

I can see the draw in a career mode, and I'd definitely play it. But the reason why the GT games are some of the only games I ever buy (I buy less than 1 game a year) is because I love cars, and I'm broke. I can't afford to own these cars in real life, but fortunately someone had the vision to finally make an assemblage of many interesting cars in the world and provide a realistic physics system so we could get a small taste of what these cars are like. If I wanted a game that forced me to progress even slower (only one race event per day, and more likely only one per week if you'd really like to limit yourself to a realistic career mode) I wouldn't play a game at all. I'd take my car in real life and attempt to progress through the racing community, and I'd have a lot more fun doing it. I buy GT games for the cars, not the races.

 

[Alfaholic]

BTW I'm tired of people with 50 cars in their garage and millions of credits. Takes so much of the budget racer realism out of it for me. I feel like status isn't earned.

Read Mr. Slow's "Scrooge Does GT4" race reports as an antidote to the rich Bentley Boys sickness you are feeling.

Personally I wish there were even more cars in GT4 (at least, more that I liked) and I find the ability to drive hundreds of different but recognisable cars to be the big attraction of GT for me, not the racing.

At the same time, I do feel that GT3's GT mode created a more satisfying racing experience for me because you could use a single car for more races and it was harder to become a mega billionaire. There was a definite development path my racing cars took in GT3, and at any time I would only have a single racing car, the rest of my garage being things to mess about with in Arcade mode. In GT4 I seem to have a different car for almost every race, and I have no single preferred racer. Which is a shame. I can still remember my GT3 racers fondly.

A career mode would be cool but then it would have to be a proper racing sim with a reasonable number of opponents controlled by decent AI and provision for car damage. But then all that's been mentioned before.

 

[FoolKiller]

My idea for career mode wouldn't be for PD to replace GT mode in anyway or for people to not have all the cars they wanted. It would just be a new way for them to challenge themselves and spend more time working through the different levels.

I would welcome this with open arms. It would give me a chance to play GT Mode and Arcade Mode to learn the cars and tracks and the individual characteristics of each and then go do a career mode setup where I can select my car for the beginning amateur races and after a season, if I do well enough, I then get a chance for a sponsor to pay for tires or provide me with a car and would continue on up. You could even choose to race in different leagues, such as JGTC or American LeMans or Formula 1 type leagues where teh car choices and track types are limited to that league. It is definitely something I would love to see but much needs to be done to GT to make this work fully. As someone else said a major AI improvement so that it would be a challenge, and maybe a few more real life courses to kind of compliment the leagues.

That is how I would like it to be, and it would add a lot of replayability as it would have no true finish, but if it ends up being a less free-will version of GT Mode I don't think I would like it.

Well, I can think of a couple reasons for a 1000 car garage. One, some people like to say "I have every car in GT4". Two, some people come to own a lot of cars because they are heavily involved in doing research on the different cars providing the GTP comunity with useful information.

I remember an interview with Kazunori Yamauchi back after GT2 came out where he said that he would like Gran Turismo to eventually become an encyclopedia of cars. He talks about GT as if it is about cars first and foremost. I thik teh ability of players to just collect and fill a garage with an insane amount of different cars is his intention.

I'm still trying to work out kinks of how a career mode would even begin to work. I would like for people to pay for their tires. Even the best driver can't get the funds and cars that some people are getting in just weeks in GT4.

The majority of those funds are coming from the selling of the prize cars. You have to be at least 25% of the way through the game before you can start winning huge sums of money. I agree that having someone with a mediocore car being able to win the Rally Raid Car and sell it for 250,000+ is unrealistic and suddenly made everything just open up wide. I remember doing it with the Sunfire you win in the license tests. The actual credit winnings don't seem too far off. I know people who enter individual drag racing events to win a few thousand and will usually enter a couple of different races in a weekend.

If you could only race each series once and didn't have the prize cars the money wouldn't seem ridiculous. Plus, what you are calling a few weeks in GT4 is actually about a year in GT time but would probably be many years in real life considering you can't race your car every day of the week. So if you took every day in GT4 and made it a week I would now be over a thousand weeks into my racing career. That's almost 20 years. I should be retiring by now.

So, I think that if you took out the prize cars and made me pay for tires and other maintenance every race then I think it would seem much more realistic. But as I said before, it is a game and the prize cars add a bit of desire to win races you would otherwise not want to do. So instead of someone saying they aren't going to do the mission tests because they are a pain they are going to say, " I want that DeLorean," or "I want that Tank Car." The same goes for prize cars in the license tests. I have never done all golds before, nor did I have a desire to, but now the Model T is the prize for all golds on the S license. I want that Model T and will put in the time it takes to get it. Oddly enough, I have no clue why, I just want to.

So give me a career mode but leave my willy-nilly spend and race style GT Mode alone. The money amounts may seem crazy and there may not be certain expenses, but I love it and desire to play it whenever I get the chance, even if it is just to drive around The Ring in an original Beetle, because, hey, why not?

 

[Mr.Slow]

Read Mr. Slow's "Scrooge Does GT4" race reports as an antidote to the rich Bentley Boys sickness you are feeling.

Thanks for the plug Alfaholic. 👍

Yes. Read my series if you want to do it on the cheap. I got to 75% using only 202k credits and buying 5 cars (the most expensive being the RAM - 39k). I could have spent less but I made some mistakes and in some cases I was too cheap to begin with so i had to spend more than I should have. I reckon that 75% can be done on 150k or less if you don't count all the useless upgrades I bought.

Here are the links
Part I 0 to 25% on 4k credits https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=64368
Part II 25 to 50% on 50k credits https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=66151
Part III 25 to 50% on 160k(approx) credits https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=67134


I am about to start writing the last part (75% to 100%) but I have already spent 120k on the Mercedes SL race... 109k for a used SL600 and 12k for R2 tyres. The SL 65 was beating me by 49 seconds the first time I run Apricot Hill (Sport tyres) and now after some practice (and R2 Tyres) I can finish 2nd 13 seconds behind. He is lapping at around 1:32 and I am lapping at 1:35. Not bad for a car that is 100+HP down and 50K cheaper! :-).... a little more practice and I will beat the bastard! (or I will fork the 12k for the engine upgrade and close the HP gap...)

 

[3spddrft]

Thanks for everybody's input on my original post. I'm going to play more GT4 because I admit I have just gone for the quick money method and not tried to play from the beginning. The only reason I have any percent complete at all is because of the few cars I really desired to have in my garage. Maybe there is something I'm missing to the current GT mode.

 

[FoolKiller]

Thanks for everybody's input on my original post. I'm going to play more GT4 because I admit I have just gone for the quick money method and not tried to play from the beginning. The only reason I have any percent complete at all is because of the few cars I really desired to have in my garage. Maybe there is something I'm missing to the current GT mode.

Or we could all just be obsessive freaks who have been playing this game in all its carnations for way too long. That's what my wife tells me anyway (as she goes to play The Sims AGAIN).

At first it seems to go slow but then after just a small amount of playing you are thinking, "Oh my god, why do I have all this money?" As I played I became obsessed with hitting 25% to open endurance races and then completing beginner and professional halls to open everything up. After I hit that pont I realized how much money I was amassing and decide to check out the used car lots and bought some cars I would love to drive. I then hit some extreme races and all but one endurance (Bob hates Le Sarthe) and then realized I had a ton of cars that weren't tuned yet.

Since then I have been tuning cars and only have a few left before I decide to move on through the game. While tuning I have been going back and redoing older races with slower cars to increase the challenge and then B specing them all as well to get my points built up. Suddenly my points are all doubled and my percentage has only gone up by two percent.

Now I have almost finished with tuning and I have so much fun driving all the different cars that now I want to reach 100% so I can win all new cars.

Pretty much GT Mode is free ranged enough that it becomes what you make of it.

 

[Alfaholic]

Pretty much GT Mode is free ranged enough that it becomes what you make of it.

I must say I really like the "free range" (great description!) aspect of Gran Turismo. The fact that I can mostly pick and choose what championships I wish to compete in instead of being forced to follow a fixed story line feels much more realistic to me. Even Toca 2 to me felt too restrictive. I do find the prize cars tend to make the game a little bit easier than it perhaps should be because they a) can be sold and can often net more cash than the championship itself and b) they often save you from having to buy an expensive car to enter new championships (Minolta Toyota being a classic example).

At the same time, in some championships it's the prize car that's the incentive and not the race itself. And I wouldn't have cared at all about getting 100% if there wasn't a shiny black FGT car waiting for me when I did it.

 

[FoolKiller]

I must say I really like the "free range" (great description!) aspect of Gran Turismo. The fact that I can mostly pick and choose what championships I wish to compete in instead of being forced to follow a fixed story line feels much more realistic to me. Even Toca 2 to me felt too restrictive. I do find the prize cars tend to make the game a little bit easier than it perhaps should be because they a) can be sold and can often net more cash than the championship itself and b) they often save you from having to buy an expensive car to enter new championships (Minolta Toyota being a classic example).

At the same time, in some championships it's the prize car that's the incentive and not the race itself. And I wouldn't have cared at all about getting 100% if there wasn't a shiny black FGT car waiting for me when I did it.

The restrictiveness of a career mode is why I think it should be a seperate mode altogether. That way nothing that we love about GT is lost but we do get something completely new.

They might want to consider reworking the placement of prize cars though so that I can't make a quarter of a million credits with one of teh easiest races in the game. Granted, I didn't have to go that route, but I did and it rocketed my progress forward early on which allowed me to earn a lot of money. Oddly enough that money and obsession with used car garages is what has suddenly stalled my progression.

 

[Dr_Watson]

if they went to a linear career mode it wouldn't be the same game.
every other game has linear career/story modes that force you to play the game a certain way, then you finish it and put it on the shelf to get dusty.
personally i would hate if that happend to GT. The wide open format of the GT series is what makes it special.

 

[Corvette]

BTW I'm tired of people with 50 cars in their garage and millions of credits. Takes so much of the budget racer realism out of it for me. I feel like status isn't earned.

We should congratulate PD because they completely killed the fun in Gran Turismo by
letting anybody have 500 cars in their garage and have 5,000,000$ in credits.