Cars with rubbish gearboxes

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Title says it all, i was trying to beat the Grand Valley endurance with a stock mustang (the new one) and i realized how bad the gearbox was, firts 3 gears go in a breeze, then you're stuck with a 4th that barely can move the car and the 5th does nothing at all. Max speed 220ish km/h for a car with more than 300 hp. Absolutely rubbish.

Other examples of this are the dodge challengers, the old and the new.
 
At the other end of the scale the Saleen S7 has a ridiculously short 2nd gear. It's almost as if 2nd doesn't need to be there; you can use 3rd down to speeds that 1st gear ends and it still picks up the pace again quickly. Yes, I could change it if I bought a fully customisbale transmission but I prefer to keep many of my cars stock. :sly:
 
Perhaps they are mirroring the RL car? I know my RL 1969 Camaro SS396 topped out at about 120 even though it had the HP for much more. My RL 1970 Corvette, on the other hand, could do 160 mph with a smaller 350ci engine.
 
Dragunov
Title says it all, i was trying to beat the Grand Valley endurance with a stock mustang (the new one) and i realized how bad the gearbox was, firts 3 gears go in a breeze, then you're stuck with a 4th that barely can move the car and the 5th does nothing at all. Max speed 220ish km/h for a car with more than 300 hp. Absolutely rubbish.

Other examples of this are the dodge challengers, the old and the new.
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The cars your mentioned came to mind when I read the title, so I can only really quote you for truth. And I agree they are absolute nonsense.
 
I was going to say, lots of those muscle cars, old and new are like that in real life. Four or five long gears and top out at 140 max.
 
3 Steps to spinning out:

1. Use the Toyota Minolta

2. Go round a corner in 2nd gear

3. Full power anywhere after the corner

4. ????

5. Spin out and (??) profit!
 
The claim is American cars have to use gears such as these in order to meet fuel efficiency requirements.
 
Space Dynamics
The Jensen Interceptor MK3 has 3 gears.
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Yep, because in real life it has a 3-speed automatic gearbox (a Chrysler Torqueflite), in fact driving it manually in the game is quite unrealistic since that's impossible to do in the real one.
About those muscle cars having "rubbish" gearboxes, they're probably accurately modelled after the real ones (some also automatics) and have a higher gear ratio or higher final gear to act as an overdrive to save fuel and offer a "relaxing" cruising speed (less engine noise obviously and possible on these cars as they have tons of torque).
Ofcourse this is useful in a real life roadcar, in a game however focussed on racing these cars you just have to replace them with a custom gearbox to suit the cars new purpose (the new Mustang suddenly makes much more sense "freed" from its original box).
If these cars are turned into race cars in real life, those gearboxes are replaced too.
I do wish PD would make the option for manual/automatic dependant on each specific car instead of a general option it is now (in the same way for example traction control is), seems like a small thing to implement but it's also a small issue not shared by the majority I guess.
 
agreed to the aboves. I also think the maserati gran turismo gearing is too tall stock, and the ferrari f40. I was also sad that my race transmission in the Acura nsx didn't include a 6th gear, since 6 speeds are available on later cars from the factory, it would make sense.
 
That $750,000 Black Trans Cammer is the exact same, 4th gear it just dies, ruins it. Bring on individual gear ratios !
 
You can't reach 6th gear in the premium VW Golf GTI until the very last 10 feet of the monster straightaway at the Nordschleife. That's fairly ridiculous.
 
Didn't most of those old muscle cars have in real life a wide selection of different final gear ratios for different needs by the way? It looks like PD took the versions with the shortest final gear choice possible.
That's also why I think there should be some option in the game (or purchaseable part) to change the final gear ratio without replacing the whole transmission. It's possible in real life after all.
 
Dragunov
Title says it all, i was trying to beat the Grand Valley endurance with a stock mustang (the new one) and i realized how bad the gearbox was, firts 3 gears go in a breeze, then you're stuck with a 4th that barely can move the car and the 5th does nothing at all. Max speed 220ish km/h for a car with more than 300 hp. Absolutely rubbish.

Other examples of this are the dodge challengers, the old and the new.
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Speaking from experience, they completely messed up the Mustang gearbox. The real life one is nothing like the GT5 one.
 
Both Chaparrals have 3 gears

Dragunov
Title says it all, i was trying to beat the Grand Valley endurance with a stock mustang (the new one) and i realized how bad the gearbox was, firts 3 gears go in a breeze, then you're stuck with a 4th that barely can move the car and the 5th does nothing at all. Max speed 220ish km/h for a car with more than 300 hp. Absolutely rubbish.

Other examples of this are the dodge challengers, the old and the new.
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+1. I have one but I hate it now because it kept getting overtaken at Mulsanne at the muscle car nostalgia cup due to the gearing.
 
The caterham with the Motorbike engine

Im not sure what its like in real life but for cryin out loud i can barely get out of 2nd gear!!
 
Mazda RX-8.

3rd, 4th, and 5th gears take for
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...
ever to get through.
when i buy a new car, i give 'er the ol' oil change and put Sport: Soft tires on it and take it to La Sarthe (2009) and give it a test drive. good, long straights for speed with some low and high speed corners to test the handling with. before the first shinanigan (chicane) on the back straight, right before my braking point, the RX-8 found 6th gear...

i thought "wtf? that took forever..."
so i take it to La Sarthe No Shinanigans.

coming off the last turn before the 3.54 mile straight, i hit 4th.
3 days later, i hit 5th.
a LOTR Extended Edition marathon later, i'm in 6th.

this particular car revs to about 9500rpms (in theory) before the limiter kicks.
so i get to 6th gear just before you'd normally brake before the first chicane. so roughly 2.5 more miles of straight to see what kind of top speed this turd has.
only i never found out.
it can't climb past 8000 RPMs.
it just sits there at 157 mph trying its best to go faster... it actually hit 157 fairly quickly, since it switches to 6th at around 150mph. all the road in the world and it can only gain an extra 7mph in the next gear and doesn't get all that close to pegging the tack.

3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th gears are just too tall.
1st and 2nd seems rather ok, however.
 
damaged_case
Mazda RX-8.

3rd, 4th, and 5th gears take for
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...
ever to get through.
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damaged_case
this particular car revs to about 9500rpms (in theory) before the limiter kicks.
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Not in theory. It does.

damaged_case
it actually hit 157 fairly quickly,
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This goes against the first bit I've quoted

damaged_case
3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th gears are just too tall.
1st and 2nd seems rather ok, however.
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But they are pretty much what the real car has. The gears are only slightly out in game.

The real one will do ~99mph in 3rd, ~137mph in 4th and reaches it's (power & aerodynamics limited) top speed of mid 140s in 5th. 6th is there as an "overdrive" to help fuel economy. If it had the power, it would do 162 in 5th and 190ish in 6th before it'll run out of revs.


EDIT: Top speeds are different as the one in GT5 is the Japanese model that has ~250bhp. The UK version has 231bhp.
 
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The Superbird is an awesome car and can top to 780bhp.
But it have a s:censored:tty gearbox. 4 gears and guess what, the top speed is only around 250km/h despite have a horsepower of a half tune Ferrari Enzo.

Well, yes i know. It's a classic muscle car. What do you expect. :p
 
In the few cars that Ive checked, the gear ratios are exactly the same as their real life counterparts. So I would assume that all of the cars are like this. The first gear in the f40 is way too long. It takes forever to get from 0-70mph. Then you can finally switch into second.
 
daan
Not in theory. It does.
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it probably does, but i couldn't get it to. like i said, 6th gear wouldn't get above 8000 RPMs. that's why i said "in theory".
not in some literal scientific sense where they say it can but there's no proof, but that i couldn't get it close to its rev limiter.

i'll try to model myself after the Top Gear episode where they took a Challenger, a ZR1, and a CTS-V from San Francisco to Bonneville. less entertaining, more factual.

This goes against the first bit I've quoted
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how does it? i said 3rd, 4th, and 5th takes forever to get through in the first bit you quoted. i didn't say anything about 6th gear. i wasn't talking about from 0 to 157. i was talking about going from 150, when it switches to 6th, to when it reaches 157mph.

But they are pretty much what the real car has. The gears are only slightly out in game.
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that makes them less bad? i'm confused.
it's still a horrible transmission that takes entirely too long to work through.
 
Tr3x
The Lexus ISF has an 8th gear which is hardly used at all.
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Is that the stock car or the RM because the RM has awesome gears which you can make perfect for absolutely any track.
 

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