Cars with rubbish gearboxes

  • Thread starter Thread starter Dragunov
  • 54 comments
  • 5,973 views
jac31k
The caterham with the Motorbike engine

Im not sure what its like in real life but for cryin out loud i can barely get out of 2nd gear!!
Click to expand...

Yeah, the caterham is probably the only car in the game with a mismatched transmission... it was like that back in GT4 as well. Buy a close ratio or the racing transmission and all will be well again.
 
jac31k
The caterham with the Motorbike engine

Im not sure what its like in real life but for cryin out loud i can barely get out of 2nd gear!!
Click to expand...

UnionStrike
Yeah, the caterham is probably the only car in the game with a mismatched transmission... it was like that back in GT4 as well. Buy a close ratio or the racing transmission and all will be well again.
Click to expand...

It was pointed out to me when I complained about this that motorcycle gearboxes often have an internal step-down of about 3/2, so that the physical ratios of the gear clusters are not the same as those produced at the output shaft (versus the engine speed). PD may well have overlooked this.

Slapping on the fully custom and preserving the ridiculous top speed setting (or just using the 6-speed crossed-ratio box, it's identical in that case) does liven it up a touch, but completely removes all semblance of the original relationship between gears. Another reason PD should allow us to change individual gear ratios.
 
damaged_case
it probably does, but i couldn't get it to. like i said, 6th gear wouldn't get above 8000 RPMs. that's why i said "in theory".
not in some literal scientific sense where they say it can but there's no proof, but that i couldn't get it close to its rev limiter.
Click to expand...

The vast majority of modern street legal cars behave exactly the same way. The top gears in the transmission are for freeway cruising and are intentionally too tall to allow the engine to reach redline in the top gear. If you were to take a real RX-8 out on LaSarthe without the chicanes, it also would not be able to redline in top gear.

Just because the car is aerodynamically limited in speed doesn't mean that the engine's rev limiter is only "theoretically" 9,500 RPM because it's not the rev limiter that's keeping the speed down.
 
One of the Mercedes has this problem too its either the SL 500 or the CL 600 (ucd cars )

Its as bad as the F40 if not worse on a track that i can usally get to top gear on (Rome ) i barely hit 4th gear on the long bits. Around the second corner and third before the tight angled one it stays in 2nd the whole way hitting 3rd just as you need to start breaking for the tight angle corner.

Im still not sure if it even has a 5th gear or not TBH
 
Griffith500
I think I read something along those lines, too - although I wouldn't bet on it. Time will tell! :)
Click to expand...

they've pretty much delivered everything they've said they were gonna in the updates. i have no reason to doubt it. i expect it.

i'll bet on it.
 
Zenmervolt
Just because the car is aerodynamically limited in speed doesn't mean that the engine's rev limiter is only "theoretically" 9,500 RPM because it's not the rev limiter that's keeping the speed down.
Click to expand...

how come it's the only car in the game that i can't get to redline in the final gear, then?

i'm not saying i've used all 1000+ cars, but i can bounce the tack on every other car i've taken to race in Gran Turismo 5.

you said the vast majority are the same way.
the Mustang will redline.
the Audi R8 will redline.
the 430 Scuderia will redline.
the Focus will.
the 350Z (or fairlady z, depending on where you're from) will.
and the Camaro, and the Viper, and the C30, and the Impreza WRX STI, and the blah blah blah.

the RX-8 is the first car i've come across that won't peg the tack in the final gear at la Sarthe.
 
Arcturus
You can't reach 6th gear in the premium VW Golf GTI until the very last 10 feet of the monster straightaway at the Nordschleife. That's fairly ridiculous.
Click to expand...

a stock one should take that long to reach 6th. Ive been in my friends 300+whp mk5 gti and 6th gears doesnt just get there like a evo or sti
 
damaged_case
the RX-8 is the first car i've come across that won't peg the tack in the final gear at la Sarthe.
Click to expand...

The RX8, like the Golf, is top-speed limited by the lack of power and aerodynamics. Top speed for an RX8 is around 250+ km/h, which is about top speed in fifth. The Golf has a huge overdrive 6th and only 200 hp. I'd be surprised if it got much past 220-230 km/h in real life. (google'd... 245 km/h)

Most modern road cars do not peg the limiter in top gear. Some sports cars do, as well as a few Japanese cars that are geared quite lowly. But by and large, you will be able to hit your aerodynamic top speed with a lot of gearing left to spare.
 
damaged_case
how come it's the only car in the game that i can't get to redline in the final gear, then?

i'm not saying i've used all 1000+ cars, but i can bounce the tack on every other car i've taken to race in Gran Turismo 5.

you said the vast majority are the same way.
the Mustang will redline.
the Audi R8 will redline.
the 430 Scuderia will redline.
the Focus will.
the 350Z (or fairlady z, depending on where you're from) will.
and the Camaro, and the Viper, and the C30, and the Impreza WRX STI, and the blah blah blah.

the RX-8 is the first car i've come across that won't peg the tack in the final gear at la Sarthe.
Click to expand...

Not all cars were meant to max out their speed in the final gear. Most are meant for fuel economy. Take my corvette for instance, in 6th gear @ 80mph its at less than 2k rpm. To put that in perspective the max speed of my 5th is about 200mph give or take depending on your calculations where as the max speed of 6th is about 270mph.

The RX-8 is the same way, it just wasn't meant to be a fast sports car.
 
damaged_case
how come it's the only car in the game that i can't get to redline in the final gear, then?
Click to expand...

If that were the case, which I guarantee it isn't, it would be extremely unrealistic. The majority of cars that aren't ultra high performance use 6th gear for MPG, not to coincide with their top speed. If you spend much time looking at performance statistics you will FREQUENTLY see (among cars that aren't electronically limited) top speeds that are drag/hp limited, not redline limited. A C6 corvette with the MN6 and 3.42 rear end is redline limited at 297 mph. A 2011 Mustang even with the 3.73s is 237 mph. With the base 3.31s its 267 mph. A V8 BMW M3 (with the electronic limiter removed) likewise can't hit redline in top gear.

It's extremely common.
 
damaged_case
you said the vast majority are the same way.
the Mustang will redline.
the Audi R8 will redline.
the 430 Scuderia will redline.
the Focus will.
the 350Z (or fairlady z, depending on where you're from) will.
and the Camaro, and the Viper, and the C30, and the Impreza WRX STI, and the blah blah blah.

the RX-8 is the first car i've come across that won't peg the tack in the final gear at la Sarthe.
Click to expand...
You need to go back and check. A stock Viper will not reach it's redline in top gear. Neither does the C30. The C30 redlines in 5th and loses speed when you change up to 6th. As others have said, a C6 Corvette is geared for 290mph.

Go and try the Corvette Z06. Try the Viper again. Try the Lotus Carlton. Try the new Pontiac GTO. Try the Lotus Evora. The list goes on. None of them will get near the redline in top gear.

Racing cars are geared to hit their rev limits at the end of the longest straight in top gear. Road cars are not.
 
The original mini, with the gearbox in the sump. That poor magnetic drain bolt was overworked!

Shame gt5 doesn't show a little pool of oil on the floor after leaving it in the same spot for a couple of minutes.
 
The skyline sedan from the new seasoanl events its pretty fun to drive but the gearing is as bad as the mustang, super long 4th gear and 5th only for saving fuel.
 
I'm surprised that everyone doesn't just put in the Fully Customizable Transmission as one of the first upgrades. I'll add that before I add just about anything.
 
That may solve the problem, but just not everyone is willing to listen to a nasty sound it gives out (being hydraulic-operated racing gearbox). I usually like to keep gearboxes in my cars stock, especially for that reason, but I also fancy driving cars with stock dual-clutch gearbox (like 458 or California) because it's great for cruising.

By the way, I found this topic by looking up my problem with stock F40 tranny. I mean, 306mph? Too bad that even on the chart I cant see anything more than 3 gears. I was wondering - if my F40 is maxed out, how would a stock one drive on that gearbox. And the answer was - even worse. Wondering how that F40 in nurburgring licence test was so nice to accelerate yet it didn't sound like it included racing tranny.
 
rspwn
That may solve the problem, but just not everyone is willing to listen to a nasty sound it gives out (being hydraulic-operated racing gearbox).
Click to expand...

The sound has absolutely nothing to do with being a "hydraulic-operated racing gearbox". The sound is the sound of straight-cut gears in a sequential dog-box.

For those of you who've not been around actual racing cars, here's a good illustration of what a straight-cut dog-box sounds like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8
 
Last edited:
damaged_case
how come it's the only car in the game that i can't get to redline in the final gear, then?
Click to expand...

If it is, then PD modeled a LOT of the other cars incorrectly.

damaged_case
the Mustang will redline.
Click to expand...

Not in real life it won't. The 2005 Mustang hits its maximum speed of 143 mph at 4,500 RPM in 5th gear. Redline is 6,000 RPM.

damaged_case
the Audi R8 will redline.
Click to expand...

Not in real life it won't. It hits its maximum speed of 196 mph at 8,400 RPM in 6th. Redline is 8,700 RPM.

damaged_case
the 430 Scuderia will redline.
Click to expand...

And it does in real life as well, but it's not exactly a "common" car, now is it?

damaged_case
the RX-8 is the first car i've come across that won't peg the tack in the final gear at la Sarthe.
Click to expand...

First of all, it's "tach" as in, "tachometer", a "tack" is something one might leave on a teacher's chair. Secondly, if it's true that all the other cars you list will hit redline in top gear, then the simple fact is that the vast majority of those cars have been modeled wrong. However, it's much more likely that you've simply not been paying enough attention (or you've been modding the snot out of the cars instead of running them in stock form).
 
Last edited:
Dragunov
The skyline sedan from the new seasoanl events its pretty fun to drive but the gearing is as bad as the mustang, super long 4th gear and 5th only for saving fuel.
Click to expand...

Agree. I love that car.
It's just the 5 speed automatic used in that car :nervous:, but I refuse to install a fully customize transmission cause of that awful sound it makes. Totally ruins the feel of driving that (and many other) cars.
 
The Ferrari F430 hits the redline in 6th gear down the Mulsanne, it could do with a longer 6th gear.

The DB9 also has a useless 6th gear, and a long 5th gear to make it even worse.
 

Latest Posts

Back