Casey Stoner to retire!

[CarolinaBlue704]

Did not see this coming. I can't really blame him though...him having a family and all.

 

[FahrerGott]

His talent outweighs his ambition?
Mirror everyone else's thoughts. Massively disappointing from a MotoGP fan's view.
I doubt I'll watch MotoGP next year mostly because Rossi is still going to be racing.
When you visit the MOTOGP.com website all you can see is Rossi news everywhere, nothing about Casey Stoner.
Totally sick of hearing about VR.

 

[Earth]

Hate it when the more talented drivers, or riders, dont have the desire the lesser talented do

 

[nitrorocks]

Hate it when the more talented drivers, or riders, dont have the desire the lesser talented do

This. I hope he doesnt win the championship this ear. I bet that'll piss him off, and he'll try again.

 

[marchi]

Jorge is out of contract end of season, so Jorge to Honda, Vale back to Yamaha if the Duke continues being a dog....

As for Stoner ->

He is a good rider, but not the best in a generation good. He is good when he has the best equipment, and that's about it. I certainly won't miss his arrogance, and the conveyor belt of new talent coming up from Moto3 will fill the game easily.

Mate Stoner is arguably the best rider to ever grace a world title bike. You want to see why he's a once in a life time rider, take a look at the supposed "greatest rider of all time" floundering around in 8th, 9th and 10th place getting beaten by his team mate on bikes that Stoner won 25+ races on. In all his time at Ducati, the only time he finished worse than 6th was when he had a crash and tried to either keep riding or the bike gave up.

Capirossi is the only other rider to get better than a 3rd on a Ducati since 2007. 2 of the other rider were recent world champions.

 

[Matthew77258]

Stoner is a great rider and it is going to be a shame to see him go. I think I see him going to v8's. It will keep him in Aus with his family, and that is probably what he wants.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Mate Stoner is arguably the best rider to ever grace a world title bike.

Yea, 2 world titles sure makes him the best that ever lived.

You want to see why he's a once in a life time rider, take a look at the supposed "greatest rider of all time" floundering around in 8th, 9th and 10th place getting beaten by his team mate on bikes that Stoner won 25+ races on.

What I think you meant to say was he got a ride on a competitive bike and after 4 years, had managed to contribute no development to it's logevity and jumped ship as soon as it got too hard. Now Rossi is trying to make a dog of a bike (i.e. Stoner's legacy) competitive.

I'd also like to point out that in 2010 Rossi still finished ahead of the 'world's greatest title holder' in the title race, despite missing 4 races with a broken leg. And your chum was on this amazing "25 win" bike you speak of.

In all his time at Ducati, the only time he finished worse than 6th was when he had a crash and tried to either keep riding or the bike gave up.

That was a regular occurence despite his teammate being able to keep it on the black stuff. You also forgot to add "when he wasn't not on the bike because he didn't feel well" when other riders where riding with pins and screws holding bones together.

I think this about sums it up nicely:

Stoner finished the 2008 season as runner-up to Rossi with 280 points, the highest amount of points ever gained without taking the title

In a straight fight on like machinery, he was the bridesmaid.

 

[marchi]

Yea, 2 world titles sure makes him the best that ever lived.

Yeah and 5 without any competition does? When did Valentino ever have half decent competition early on. When his good competitors actually had bikes the equivalent of what he was riding, they beat him. He should have walked to the title in 06, but mistakes cost him, and the Ducati's flaws post 2007 after Rossi bitched his whinged onto Bridgestones, was as bad as it ever was. Not even including Stoner dealing with lactose intolerance issues.

What I think you meant to say was he got a ride on a competitive bike and after 4 years, had managed to contribute no development to it's logevity and jumped ship as soon as it got too hard. Now Rossi is trying to make a dog of a bike (i.e. Stoner's legacy) competitive.

How's that going for him btw? If anything since he's been there, his results have got progressively worse. The clown ran his mouth and then found out what Stoner was actually up against and he shut it quite quickly. 80 seconds. It's been closer to 18 months and its stil rubbish.

I'd also like to point out that in 2010 Rossi still finished ahead of the 'world's greatest title holder' in the title race, despite missing 4 races with a broken leg. And your chum was on this amazing "25 win" bike you speak of.

On a bike that won the world title. Well done. I'd have been massively shocked if he didn't atleast get second in the title hunt, but he binned it when being upstaged by his team mate.

That was a regular occurence despite his teammate being able to keep it on the black stuff. You also forgot to add "when he wasn't not on the bike because he didn't feel well" when other riders where riding with pins and screws holding bones together.

Yep and for Stoner pushing the limits he got a world title and 25 race wins. What did the rest of them get besides an absolute panning? One 1st, couple of seconds and a handful of 3rds. Stoner literally won twice as many races on a pig of a bike, then the number of podiums Capirossi, Hayden and Rossi combined have managed over 6 years on virtually the same machinery.

I'd like to see most people ride a motorcycle while dealing with an unknown lactose intolerance issue. One of my best mates I ride with was just recently diagnosed as being lactose intolerant after feeling like his insides were shredding. This same mate also has a metal rod through his right femur after breaking his leg in a motorcross accident a few years back and said he'd take the slight soreness in his leg after competing then pooing liquid and feeling like your stomach is trying to turn itself inside out.

In a straight fight on like machinery, he was the bridesmaid.

Like machinery my arse. Give me a stable well balanced bike with great corner speed over a bullet with awful front geometry any day.

 

[F1 fan]

What a rant from Marchi. Who is obviously ignorant of the development race and thinks that the Desmodeci Rossi is riding is still the same one from 2006. And for the record, I am lactose intolerant, and that went undiagnosed for quite a long time too. Since diagnosis, I have had to change my diet quite drastically, but not my lifestyle. Granted, I am not a world class athlete.

 

[marchi]

What a rant from Marchi. Who is obviously ignorant of the development race and thinks that the Desmodeci Rossi is riding is still the same one from 2006. And for the record, I am lactose intolerant, and that went undiagnosed for quite a long time too. Since diagnosis, I have had to change my diet quite drastically, but not my lifestyle. Granted, I am not a world class athlete.

No i'm not ignorant of that fact, but Stoner was still winning races in 2010 where as only one of his team mates had won a single race in that time period. Even now when Burgess said they'd sort it out they haven't been able to and the bike has got progressively worse since Stoner left. That completely nullifies his argument that Stoner did nothing to help improve the bike.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Yeah and 5 without any competition does? When has Valentino ever had half decent competition.

If Stoner had the highest points total ever in 2008 without winning the title, then I'd say that qualifies as competition. And last time I checked Rossi beat Jorge on the same bike in 2009.

How's that going for him btw? If anything since he's been there, his results have got progressively worse.

Hardly a reflection on him, rather his predecessor who did nothing positive with bike developement and lead it into a hole. PS: That was Stoner.

then the number of podiums Capirossi, Hayden and Rossi combined have managed over 6 years on virtually the same machinery.

The only two out of those three riding "the same machinery" (clue: different bike names every year denote different machinery) was Capirossi who was little more then a mildly successful journeyman and Hayden who joined Stoner two years after Stoner had joined Ducati and started contributing to the nosedive of bike development. Rossi is not riding "virtually the same machinery", he inhereted the past development and is trying to bring it back to competitiveness.

I'd like to see most people ride a motorcycle while dealing with an unknown lactose intolerance issue.

Pure Stoner - "I'm lactose intolerant, I'm not riding". Heaven forbid he lay off his glass of milk for breakfast instead . As F1Fan has pointed out, being lactose intolerant is disruptive, but not really in the league of a smashed leg or diverticulitus.

One of my best mates I ride with was just recently diagnosed as being lactose intolerant after feeling like his insides were shredding. This same mate also has a metal rod through his right femur after breaking his leg in a motorcross accident a few years back and said he'd take the slight soreness in his leg after competing then pooing liquid and feeling like your stomach is trying to turn itself inside out.

That's awesome, but completely irrelevant. My friend John told me to tell you this.

Give me a stable well balanced bike with great corner speed over a bullet with awful front geometry any day.

We finally agree, Rossi stands no chance against Stoner this year. 👍

 

[marchi]

If Stoner had the highest points total ever in 2008 without winning the title, then I'd say that qualifies as competition. And last time I checked Rossi beat Jorge on the same bike in 2009.

And then was comprehensively beaten when Yamaha realised that Jorge was actually a very good rider and stopped massively favouring the Rossi side of the garage, that he'd had his entire career.

Hardly a reflection on him, rather his predecessor who did nothing positive with bike developement and lead it into a hole. PS: That was Stoner.

PS great job he's doing. The bikes gotten worse....

The only two out of those three riding "the same machinery" (clue: different bike names every year denote different machinery) was Capirossi who was little more then a mildly successful journeyman and Hayden who joined Stoner two years after Stoner had joined Ducati and started contributing to the nosedive of bike development. Rossi is not riding "virtually the same machinery", he inhereted the past development and is trying to bring it back to competitiveness.

Clue most of them are evolutions of the same bike. Even with a clean slate the same inherent flaws from early ducati's are still in the current bike. So much so that 80 second man is scratching his head and sending it into an even bigger nose dive then Stoner and co ever did.

Pure Stoner - "I'm lactose intolerant, I'm not riding". Heaven forbid he lay off his glass of milk for breakfast instead . As F1Fan has pointed out, being lactose intolerant is disruptive, but not really in the league of a smashed leg or diverticulitus.

Live with it when you have no idea what's making you sick. It's easy to deal with it when you know whats wrong. You completely ignored that point of F1Fan's comment didn't you.

We finally agree, Rossi stands no chance against Stoner this year. 👍

Yep the same chance Stoner had but even he managed to get wins out of the bike. I just see Rossi getting beaten by his team mate and floundering around at the bottom end of the top 10.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Yeah and 5 without any competition does? When did Valentino ever have half decent competition early on.

That's a ridiculous statement, he was so dominant that no other rider on the planet had chance to make a name for themselves. I think if Rossi and Stoner were both in their prime on a flawless bike then Rossi would outscore him over a season. I don't understand why people say Stoner won a world championship on that Ducati and Rossi can't, that was 5 years ago when the Ducati had a massive straight line advantage. I still think Stoner is the GOAT when it comes to producing a qualifying lap though.

 

[ZEROX]

Last year, after the death of Simoncelli, he does express himself wanted to retired from motorcycling racing and spend more time with his family. I guess that's one of the reason he decide to retired if not the main.

So, it's not a shocking news for me.
He still young, V8 or GT racing are good for him.
Why not try F1 eh, Casey?

 

[maSonn09]

If I remember, he has been having arm pump issues recently aswell. Maybe not the prime cause, but certainly a factor.

 

[thechosenwonton]

Mate Stoner is arguably the best rider to ever grace a world title bike. You want to see why he's a once in a life time rider, take a look at the supposed "greatest rider of all time" floundering around in 8th, 9th and 10th place getting beaten by his team mate on bikes that Stoner won 25+ races on. In all his time at Ducati, the only time he finished worse than 6th was when he had a crash and tried to either keep riding or the bike gave up.

Capirossi is the only other rider to get better than a 3rd on a Ducati since 2007. 2 of the other rider were recent world champions.

Just because its a Ducati does NOT mean its the same bike, migo...

 

[Dustone]

If Stoner had the highest points total ever in 2008 without winning the title, then I'd say that qualifies as competition. And last time I checked Rossi beat Jorge on the same bike in 2009.


Hardly a reflection on him, rather his predecessor who did nothing positive with bike developement and lead it into a hole. PS: That was Stoner.


The only two out of those three riding "the same machinery" (clue: different bike names every year denote different machinery) was Capirossi who was little more then a mildly successful journeyman and Hayden who joined Stoner two years after Stoner had joined Ducati and started contributing to the nosedive of bike development. Rossi is not riding "virtually the same machinery", he inhereted the past development and is trying to bring it back to competitiveness.


Pure Stoner - "I'm lactose intolerant, I'm not riding". Heaven forbid he lay off his glass of milk for breakfast instead . As F1Fan has pointed out, being lactose intolerant is disruptive, but not really in the league of a smashed leg or diverticulitus.


That's awesome, but completely irrelevant. My friend John told me to tell you this.


We finally agree, Rossi stands no chance against Stoner this year. 👍

While I dont agree with both of you, pretty poor form from a supposed 'Super Moderator'. Whether you like Casey or not, theres no need to disrespect him (or Rossi for that matter).

Its a shame Casey is leaving. He has put up some great and exciting races, done Australia proud but I look forward to see what he gets up to next! Gotta give him credit for having the balls to call it quits so early in his career.. Not a lot of riders/drivers could do that even with the amount of money that gets thrown at them

 

[Mike Rotch]

While I dont agree with both of you, pretty poor form from a supposed 'Super Moderator'. Whether you like Casey or not, theres no need to disrespect him (or Rossi for that matter).

Seems like you are of the opinion staff cannot express views like any other member is permitted too. Which is wrong of course:

1) Were AUP violated in my post? Nope.
2) Was my post an opinion? Yes.
3) Are members allowed to express opinions? Yes.

Seems pretty straight forwards to me.

 

[Dustone]

You would think a moderator would show a lot more common sense thats all

 

[Mike Rotch]

You would think a moderator would show a lot more common sense thats all

So which is it: was my post against AUP (as per your 'poor form' comment) or was it just that you disagreed with my opinion, but hid behind a poor attempt at shaming another member instead?

 

[Dustone]

So which is it: was my post against AUP (as per your 'poor form' comment) or was it just that you disagreed with my opinion, but hid behind a poor attempt at shaming another member instead?

What are you talking about?? Both you and Marchi are acting like idiots. This has nothing to do with the AUP.. all Im saying is you think a moderator wouldnt act so poorly in a debate. How is that so hard to understand?

 

[Mike Rotch]

What are you talking about?? Both you and Marchi are acting like idiots. This has nothing to do with the AUP.. all Im saying is you think a moderator wouldnt act so poorly in a debate. How is that so hard to understand?

It's "so hard" to understand as you have offered nothing up to substantiate any evidence of "acting poorly", other then saying "a moderator shouldn't do that".

Neither marchi nor I called each other names, we expressed our opinions and criticised each other's points of view. Ironically, it is YOU who is calling people idiots. So rather then indulge in more posting here which further illustrates a lack of understanding of what consititutes 'expression of opinion', why not take a step back and have a think about this very sentence.

 

[Tom]

Could we please get back on topic, I don't want to close this thread.

 

[adamp93]

Very well then:
Do we think it was a good call for Casey to retire at this stage?

 

[thechosenwonton]

If it's medical related adamp93, I can't fault him for that. If it's family related, I can't fault him for that either. If its because he wants to go out on top? Then yeah, I can fault him for that. I personally don't like the guy, but he is an immense talent, and one of the quickest guys in MotoGP - he will be missed.

 

[MustangManiac]

Why would you fault someone for wanting to go out while at the top of their game? I think it probably opens up many more doors for him rather than waiting until he is all washed up.

 

[adamp93]

The point I was trying to make was that he clearly has more titles in him, arm pump or not. On top of that I believe the Stoner/ Lorenzo rivalry could be one of the best in years so I want it to continue. However, if he really has lost his passion for the sport maybe the sport would be better off without him.

 

[F1 fan]

However, if he really has lost his passion for the sport maybe the sport would be better off without him.

Agreed. If that is the real reason for his retirement, perhaps he should have done it before the start of the season. You have to question the wisdom of having someone out there who has no passion for it in the first place. We all know how dangerous Motorbike racing is.

 

[Dustone]

Agreed. If that is the real reason for his retirement, perhaps he should have done it before the start of the season. You have to question the wisdom of having someone out there who has no passion for it in the first place. We all know how dangerous Motorbike racing is.

Maybe Casey was already under contract for the season? Im not sure how many years he signed for when he signed for Honda but that may be the reason.

If hes not enjoying it then theres no point in continuing, I think he made the right decision and at least he can admit it!

 

[F1 fan]

Maybe Casey was already under contract for the season? Im not sure how many years he signed for when he signed for Honda but that may be the reason.

While I did think of that, it's possible he could have found a way out of it in the same way that Honda managed to get rid of Dovi, despite Andrea meeting the performance objectives required to keep his ride.