CC or Enzo?

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corn CCR thing for me.....but i hate to have to tell people the name "what was that you said? koynauegsiezg?" but anyways....ahhh!!! zonda F any dayyy!!!! or any zonda for that matter, but that is not even a choice.
 
I'll take the Egg. This way, my dad can take the 'Zo and have his car named after him.
 
Hey, guys, the CCR is awesome. Can't believe I didn't say CCR.

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Driftster
Give me an Enzo over the CCS/CCR/CCSupra/CCSkylineTypeR Whatever the next model's going to be I don't care. It's interior looks like the inside of a new buick, The only nice thing I see about it are the doors.

The Enzo's got history, track ability, top speed that is fast enough for ANYONE, and looks way more sexy in black than the Koenigseggsercrapball
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👍 and its name is not a letters' soap!

And, guy who post just before me: No, the CCR is NOT beautiful (period)
 
logi74
Yeah, I love the Koenigsegg...but that's not only because I'm biased against Ferrari.
More torque!
The Koenigsegg CC 8S was first made as a concept back in 1994. The brainchild behind the project, Christian von Koenigsegg, set up cooperation between a bunch of Swedish entities to work on the car.

I meant....

only, not just. Should have made my meaning plainer.
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Wrong year. Koenigsegg appeared with its 1st car in 1998 with the CC Concept. It would be 2 years before the 1st model, the CC appeared.

Afterwards, Koenigsegg introduced the CC 8S, then introduced the CCR.
Koenigsegg's 3 models have always been loyal to the original, the CC Concept in body frame as that was a goal for Koenigsegg. The body was something new as well as the car and instantly joined the supercars with the CC.

For me, the CCR in red only. Any other color, and I'd take the Enzo instead.

Also, it has my last name in it.
 
JCE3000GT
The Koenigsegg has the following that the Enzo does not:

1) Style.
2) It's not a Ferrari.
3) No electronic nanny devices.
4) Better color options to choose from.
5) It's new blood to the supercar/hypercar genre.
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Wait, ok, lemme get this straight. Number 1 is fine. You want a car because it's NOT made by the premier sports car manufacturer in the world, because it doesn't have a race-designed traction control that makes you drive faster and crash less, because you think it has more colors even though Ferrari will sell you a car in ANY COLOR YOU WANT (you can give them a paint sample and they will match it, and then make the car in that color), and because it's from an unproven, new company. If only it made sense...
 
iceburns288
Wait, ok, lemme get this straight. Number 1 is fine. You want a car because it's NOT made by the premier sports car manufacturer in the world, because it doesn't have a race-designed traction control that makes you drive faster and crash less, because you think it has more colors even though Ferrari will sell you a car in ANY COLOR YOU WANT (you can give them a paint sample and they will match it, and then make the car in that color), and because it's from an unproven, new company. If only it made sense...
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Yes I want a car that is not Ferrari. I don't care about Ferrari as a "premier sports car manufacturer", I care about style a coolness factor. I'm sorry, you can't be cool in a car that you as a normal person CAN NOT BUY--Ferrari has to "select" you to be an owner of the F60 "Enzo". I guarantee if I walk into a Porsche dealer and hand over the cash they WILL SELL me a Carrera GT regardless with any color I want. Same with Pagani and Koenigsegg. And frankly if the Carrera GT or Zonda was in the choices one of those would be my pick. The interior of the Zonda is absolutely brilliant...and the Ferrari's is bland and empty. The noise the Zonda and Carrera GT make is so much better than the "Enzo"--not to mention so does the Merc SLR and the M5. The "Enzo" is not worth the money, you can get the same performance for less. The MC12 which is based on the "Enzo" at least looks better externally.
 
Actually, you can get an Enzo now if you have the money.

But for the love of god, please remember the Enzo is not the F60.

The Enzo will never be Ferrari's 60th Anniversary car.
 
McLaren F1GTR
Actually, you can get an Enzo now if you have the money.

But for the love of god, please remember the Enzo is not the F60.

The Enzo will never be Ferrari's 60th Anniversary car.
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I wonder what the F100 will look like. :scared:
 
F1GTR is very right.

The Enzo was built 4 years too early to be the F60.

And as far as Ferrari's exclusivity making the car soul-less, HAH! JCE, you've just watched that episode of Top Gear one too many times.

Ferrari's exclusivity contract with the Enzo guaranteed that each car would get its own PROMENANCE. You see, Ferrari understands that their supercars get resold as investments, as art. A Ferrari with history has more value than one without.

The Parkes/Scarfiotti Le Mans 330P4 coupe is worth more than the Rodriguez 330P4 Spyder due to its promenance.

By choosing recognized Ferrari collectors and particularly high profile clients as the recipients of Enzos, Ferrari guaranteed each car a good start to its own promenance amongst Ferraris, assuring future Enzo buyers that they wouldn't have to settle for a less than stirling example.

This is what happens with a manufacturer that truly appreciates, understands, and capitalizes on its legacy. Even before the first monocoque was welded together, Ferrari was already hard at work assuring the Enzo a legacy all of its own.
 
Layla's Keeper
F1GTR is very right.

The Enzo was built 4 years too early to be the F60.

And as far as Ferrari's exclusivity making the car soul-less, HAH! JCE, you've just watched that episode of Top Gear one too many times.

Ferrari's exclusivity contract with the Enzo guaranteed that each car would get its own PROMENANCE. You see, Ferrari understands that their supercars get resold as investments, as art. A Ferrari with history has more value than one without.

The Parkes/Scarfiotti Le Mans 330P4 coupe is worth more than the Rodriguez 330P4 Spyder due to its promenance.

By choosing recognized Ferrari collectors and particularly high profile clients as the recipients of Enzos, Ferrari guaranteed each car a good start to its own promenance amongst Ferraris, assuring future Enzo buyers that they wouldn't have to settle for a less than stirling example.

This is what happens with a manufacturer that truly appreciates, understands, and capitalizes on its legacy. Even before the first monocoque was welded together, Ferrari was already hard at work assuring the Enzo a legacy all of its own.
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I do respect the Enzo, to a certain point. I just like the Koenigsegg better. If it were a beauty contest, I would vote for the Enzo.
 
4.6L V8 :crazy: :yuck:
Thats one V8 that needs a supercharger to make power. Should have used a Chevy LS# w/ a power adder instead for more power (over the 4.6).
Enzo. Easily.



Zonda..... 💡
 
logi74
To each their own. Don't be an ass, please...
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It's just my opinion. Sorry! I am not guilty, if I don’t like a car with corkscrew doors and a half body hood.

Not to mention the maintenance. Imagine if you destroy your Konigsomething’s gearbox. Will you go to the nearest Konig’s dealer to change it? No, you’ll sit and cry!

But one thing is correct, with that money I would buy a supercar, a house, a bike, a dog, about 2598 bottles of beer, etc. This is entertainment.
 
Caio
It's just my opinion. Sorry! I am not guilty, if I don’t like a car with corkscrew doors and a half body hood.

Not to mention the maintenance. Imagine if you destroy your Konigsomething’s gearbox. Will you go to the nearest Konig’s dealer to change it? No, you’ll sit and cry!

But one thing is correct, with that money I would buy a supercar, a house, a bike, a dog, about 2598 bottles of beer, etc. This is entertainment.
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Ah. Of course.

Tis' true...
but considering the houses near here start out at $700k (I've lived here long so lucky for me).
 
Enzo or CC?

A car built with 60 years worth of top level motor sports and supercar building experience

...or a Sweedish car with no history....

My money would go on the Enzo. Except it wouldn't. I've seen Enzos and IMO they're huge! - too big for a useable supercar (on British roads anyway) My money would go on a Macca F1 or an F40.
 
BlackZ28
4.6L V8 :crazy: :yuck:
Thats one V8 that needs a supercharger to make power. Should have used a Chevy LS# w/ a power adder instead for more power (over the 4.6).
Enzo. Easily.
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The Koenigsegg has a 4.7 liter V8, not a 4.6. Also, superchargers NEED engine horsepower to run, not the other way around.
 
JCE3000GT
I care about style a coolness factor. I'm sorry, you can't be cool in a car that you as a normal person CAN NOT BUY--Ferrari has to "select" you to be an owner of the F60 "Enzo". I guarantee if I walk into a Porsche dealer and hand over the cash they WILL SELL me a Carrera GT regardless with any color I want. Same with Pagani and Koenigsegg. And frankly if the Carrera GT or Zonda was in the choices one of those would be my pick. The interior of the Zonda is absolutely brilliant...and the Ferrari's is bland and empty. The noise the Zonda and Carrera GT make is so much better than the "Enzo"--not to mention so does the Merc SLR and the M5. The "Enzo" is not worth the money, you can get the same performance for less. The MC12 which is based on the "Enzo" at least looks better externally.
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Ferrari had to select their buyers because a lot more people wanted to buy it than were being produced! I can go into my local Porsche dealership and buy a CGT today. Literally, actually, as there's a CGT on the floor over there for cheap (cheaper than they'd wanna sell it for). You couldn't do that with an Enzo 2 years ago. Porsche was idiotic in thinking they could sell at least 1500 CGTs! Koenigsegg will do it because they desperately need buyers anyways.

The Zonda does have an amazing interior, I admit, but the Ferrari's is empty because it's something called FUNCTIONALITY! The whole point is to be like a race car, and I don't think you see quilted carpets and headliners in those :rolleyes:

Sound is opinionated, and you can keep yours... I prefer the Enzo over the others you mention. When you bought an Enzo, you paid a premium for the exclusivity... you didn't do that with the CGT or SLR or any other car.
 
Neither.

To tell you the truth, they're both pretty ugly. After seeing the enzo in real life, it's not really an attractive car.

I'd rather have The Veryon.
 
If given the choice, I would take the Koeignisegg in a heartbeat. I personally hate everything that has to do with Ferrari (barring the great looking Superamerica and Maserati MC-12. Is it just me, or does it look exactly like an F50?). I also always hated the Enzo's looks and never found most Ferrari's to be anything special anyways. I would take a Carrera GT or a Zonda F over both though.
iceburns288
The Zonda does have an amazing interior, I admit, but the Ferrari's is empty because it's something called FUNCTIONALITY! The whole point is to be like a race car, and I don't think you see quilted carpets and headliners in those
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Yet all Zondas still weigh less than the Enzo, especially the Zonda F. I also think there is a line between "functional" and "spartan". Especially since you could buy a Kia Rio with more interior amentities. And considering an Enzo costs £450,000, I would say that is rather unacceptable.
 
Layla's Keeper
F1GTR is very right.

The Enzo was built 4 years too early to be the F60.

And as far as Ferrari's exclusivity making the car soul-less, HAH! JCE, you've just watched that episode of Top Gear one too many times.

Ferrari's exclusivity contract with the Enzo guaranteed that each car would get its own PROMENANCE. You see, Ferrari understands that their supercars get resold as investments, as art. A Ferrari with history has more value than one without.

The Parkes/Scarfiotti Le Mans 330P4 coupe is worth more than the Rodriguez 330P4 Spyder due to its promenance.

By choosing recognized Ferrari collectors and particularly high profile clients as the recipients of Enzos, Ferrari guaranteed each car a good start to its own promenance amongst Ferraris, assuring future Enzo buyers that they wouldn't have to settle for a less than stirling example.

This is what happens with a manufacturer that truly appreciates, understands, and capitalizes on its legacy. Even before the first monocoque was welded together, Ferrari was already hard at work assuring the Enzo a legacy all of its own.
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Exactly. Ferraris like the Enzo, F50, and F40 are collected as art. Same with McLarens.

Its believed when there is only 1 Enzo in the world, it could be as priceless as the Mona Lisa.

And wasn't the F50 released 2 years before its anniversary for some reason but still recognized as one?
I've also heard Ferrari won't make the same mistake and that a F60 could be released in 2007, the year it is supposed to be released.
 
Toronado
Yet all Zondas still weigh less than the Enzo, especially the Zonda F. I also think there is a line between "functional" and "spartan". Especially since you could buy a Kia Rio with more interior amentities. And considering an Enzo costs £450,000, I would say that is rather unacceptable.
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The Zonda weighs less than the Enzo because it doesn't have to pass nearly as many safety regulations as the Enzo. The Enzo is legal everywhere. The Zonda isn't, you can only buy them from a few countries (many are in Europe) where it passes the safety standards. There's a reason they've never been legal in the US, it would add several hundred pounds to the weight and they'd have to change the design a LOT.

BTW, I don't think Ferrari really cares about the Kia Rio's interior, because that wasn't the point in the car. If you haven't noticed, there aren't any race cars with power windows and heated seats and full leather interiors, with space for kids in the back. :rolleyes:
 
iceburns288
The Zonda weighs less than the Enzo because it doesn't have to pass nearly as many safety regulations as the Enzo. The Enzo is legal everywhere. The Zonda isn't, you can only buy them from a few countries (many are in Europe) where it passes the safety standards. There's a reason they've never been legal in the US, it would add several hundred pounds to the weight and they'd have to change the design a LOT.
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If I was rich I'd pay that money to get the car imported to the US (The Zonda). It's worth EVERY PENNY of what it costs. The Enzo isn't, that car is just hideous (my opinion). And not to mention I currently live in Texas--and we drive--drive alot. Therefore give me my CD player and other amentities. It gets easily over 100ºF often throughout the summer here...I don't plan on driving in a car with no A/C--been there and done that. It sucks hardcore.

And McLaren is 100% right, Ferrari's are art more than (public) road cars and not completely functional as a (public) road car. It's brilliant for track use (which is what it was designed for)--I'm not down playing it's performance...but as a car meant to drive on public roads things like A/C, CD Radio, and etc would just work.
 
JCE3000GT
And McLaren is 100% right, Ferrari's are art more than (public) road cars and not completely functional as a (public) road car. It's brilliant for track use (which is what it was designed for)--I'm not down playing it's performance...but as a car meant to drive on public roads things like A/C, CD Radio, and etc would just work.
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I STILL don't get where everyone gets this idea that Ferraris are like trying to drive a 747 underwater. It's not that difficult, it's like driving anything else, but a lot better. The Enzo has no AC, but that's their premo supercar. The 360, F430, 575, etc, all are kinda like normal cars...
 
i would not call the enzo "art".
to me, art is a painting, a amazing photograph, or a sculpture. i don't drive a painting <8- P
art sits, a car should not.
there is nothing i hate more than a super car that goes to waste X- O
 
blargonator
i would not call the enzo "art".
to me, art is a painting, a amazing photograph, or a sculpture. i don't drive a painting <8- P
art sits, a car should not.
there is nothing i hate more than a super car that goes to waste X- O
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That's what the Enzo and others are recognized as.
Moving sculptures.
 

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