Challenge for all you 'tuners' out there!

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I love how you have completely ended this discussion in one fell swoop Adrenaline.

And I would like to second his statements in regards to it. If the lads in your league aren't that competent of drivers then you could presumably be just fine running a car that turns mid 26's/low 27's, as those are pretty good times by ay standards, and then keep what dignity you have by knowing you won without cheap gimmicks.
 
Wow, I'm just saying. That was well put, a fine example if how the board should be.

I'll say it straight. I agree with Adrenalin on every point to the T. I could not have said it better.

JLawrence
I love how you have completely ended this discussion in one fell swoop Adrenaline.

And I would like to second his statements in regards to it. If the lads in your league aren't that competent of drivers then you could presumably be just fine running a car that turns mid 26's/low 27's, as those are pretty good times by ay standards, and then keep what dignity you have by knowing you won without cheap gimmicks.
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He's not hitting on you at all, it's just not his thing, he respectfully declined the invite.

Believe me when I say this is not an attempt to kill your Topic. he's actually being real nice. Been helpful too.
 
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AssassinTuner
Wow, I'm just saying. That was well put, a fine example if how the board should be.

I'll say it straight. I agree with Adrenalin on every point to the T. I could not have said it better.




He's not hitting on you at all, it's just not his thing, he respectfully declined the invite.

Believe me when I say this is not an attempt to kill your Topic. he's actually being real nice. Been helpful too.
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On me?


Anyways the Lambo SV will run sub 25's with SRF as well. Just turned a 24.6 a few minutes ago.

*update. w/ tuning 23.1
 
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I can still help out with your gearbox. Topics not Dead. Give Pairanos Tune a Shot, we can always help tweak it to the Track or your style if need be.

Catering of the gears to the track can help.

It's on you if you use any aids, we will still try to help out. Your use of aids is not important, play however you want.

JLawrence
Anyways the Lambo SV will run sub 25's with SRF as well. Just turned a 24.6 a few minutes ago.
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That would be my choice. Check the stickies there is a thread with every tune on here, should find one for it, and we can work on that.
 
Take careful note of the total time on track...
This was literally my first lap in the car.
The oil light is still on.

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Downforce is 15/20
LSD, Brakes are default
Tranny is Auto set to 211mph
Suspension is entirely default, with a single exception being ride height, -10 front and rear.
Torque Split is 50/50

You can probably run low 22's if not high 21's if you actually tuned this car and played with the PP by lowering rear downforce and adding extra power. Especially if you run more than a single lap like I did. The car was extremely stable as written, so less rear downforce will help in the broad scheme with speed, power and handling I bet.
 
Adrenaline
I just got back from an errand, yes I'm online, but, without any insult, I don't believe there is anything to discuss. The car is in it's default settings, even the LSD for the most part. The only thing I did, was lower the DeAcceleration setting to 5.
The car stock, is over 600pp, so the only thing you do to it, is power limit it to 600pp.
No parts or anything installed.
93.3%
567hp
1140kg
Rear Downforce at minimum (You might go even faster without a rear wing, and adding more power, since you have access to aids)

So my recommendation, is find a tune for this car that exists to go even faster. I believe Praiano has one.

Outside of that, as Assassin mentioned, I do not promote SRF. I don't ever use it, unless I feel the need to rise to a challenge or prove a point, like the GTR '07 guy for example. Here I used it, only to find you a car that can beat 1:25's under your conditions. The Enzo is close, the McLaren can do it. I was just offering a starting point for you.
From here, buy the car, get comfortable with it, try some tunes and practice the track.
Find a way to maximize the SRF crutch.

SRF is a cheap way to increase lap times, because, by my understanding and experience, it artificially increases tire grip instantaneously beyond the maximum grip regularly achieved by Racing Soft tires. It's impossible to do in real life, and can only be done by in game physic gimmicks. It doesn't help people learn to drive properly, and I very rarely join rooms that even allow it. Even the rooms that do allow it, I still refuse to use it. I don't recommend anyone use it, because it will hurt you in the long run, if you actually want to progress your level of skill in this game.

Good luck with your league and I hope the McLaren works out for you.

Edit: As for your PM, I don't need anything in return. The setup I posted above, is the exact set up I used to run the lap pictured. I'm sure you can run faster with Praiano's tune or another available tune.
I'll take the ZZII for a spin real quick, but I really don't enjoy driving with SRF, it takes far too much work to drive this way.
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Well you must be one hell of a driver then ;) I tried it straight out of the garage and bought only the LSD for it and cranksed it down to 5 as you said. Drove with no aids on at all using the control pad as apposed to a wheel and could manage a 1:27.388 lol Without traction control on and with your settings it eats tyres becuase you get tyre squeel round almost every turn so I dont hold much hope of lasting 25 laps with that setup lol

Anyway, appreciate your help, i guess im no further forward though really than when i started this thread :(

I'll check Prianos tune out thanks see if that offers a glimmer of hope!
 
Adrenaline - that ZZ2 time looks really quick , I used sports softs rather than racing softs im unsure how much time difference that would make.

I think I done a 1 32 or so .
 
Adrenaline
Take careful note of the total time on track...
This was literally my first lap in the car.
The oil light is still on.

img00379a.jpg


Downforce is 15/20
LSD, Brakes are default
Tranny is Auto set to 211mph
Suspension is entirely default, with a single exception being ride height, -10 front and rear.
Torque Split is 50/50

You can probably run low 22's if not high 21's if you actually tuned this car and played with the PP by lowering rear downforce and adding extra power. Especially if you run more than a single lap like I did. The car was extremely stable as written, so less rear downforce will help in the broad scheme with speed, power and handling I bet.
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No Way! It understeers like hell even at low speed with default suspension settings, it just wont turn despite slowing to a snails pace! Sorry but thats simply impossible! lol

I appreciate what your saying about me 'tuning this car' but thats why i posted on here in the first place lol............im not a tuner! I dont even know where to start and ive read loads of stuff on here. Everytime i read somethign i contradicts what anohter tuner has said so you dont know whats right and whats wrong to be honest :(
 
P.S If your a tuner Adrenaline then why do you have cars sat in your garage with all defualt settings? Surely your aim would be to squeeze as much out of each car wouldnt it? Or am i missing the point here? Thats what id be doing if i knew what the hell i was doing lol
 
dazlia
P.S If your a tuner Adrenaline then why do you have cars sat in your garage with all defualt settings? Surely your aim would be to squeeze as much out of each car wouldnt it? Or am i missing the point here? Thats what id be doing if i knew what the hell i was doing lol
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There are a lot of cars in the game, and to get a good tune for each car takes a long while. I buy cars when the opportunity arises, and tune them when I get around to it. Not even half of mine have been tuned either.
 
JLawrence
I love how you have completely ended this discussion in one fell swoop Adrenaline.

And I would like to second his statements in regards to it. If the lads in your league aren't that competent of drivers then you could presumably be just fine running a car that turns mid 26's/low 27's, as those are pretty good times by ay standards, and then keep what dignity you have by knowing you won without cheap gimmicks.
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Sorry...............thought this was somewhere to discuss tuning? Also, I didnt say that the lads in the league werent competent drivers............i said we alllowed Skid REc for those that arent. Obvioulsy there are some quick drivers and some slow ones too so like any good league we try to encourage drivers of all levels to take part. Good bunch of lads and we have a laugh, thats what its all about.

Why do i get the gut instinct on this forum that 'outsiders' arent really welcomed with open arms????

Sorry but i think you blowing smoke up someones #ss for ending all discussions on a topic are a bit childish to be perfectly honest?
 
dazlia
Sorry but i think you blowing smoke up someones #ss for ending all discussions on a topic are a bit childish to be perfectly honest?
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I was commending him on making such a definitive statement that more or less killed any possible argument.

dazlia
We allow skid recovery becuase not all the lads in our league are competent drivers, so its left on for them really. Yes i use it if its available becuase i cant really see any reason not to use it since it doesnt seam to slow me down? unless your telling me it actually does? do you think so?
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And you did say that =)

But whatever. Sorry for coming off like a dick there.
 
dazlia
P.S If your a tuner Adrenaline then why do you have cars sat in your garage with all defualt settings? Surely your aim would be to squeeze as much out of each car wouldnt it? Or am i missing the point here? Thats what id be doing if i knew what the hell i was doing lol
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As you can see from my tuning page, I only have tunes for about 7 of my own cars posted. When I tune a car, it takes me weeks at the very least. Many of my other cars have various tunes on them from other garages, which you can deduct from my review thread, where the fastest tune is what stays on my car.

I have absolutely no desire to spend my GT5 time tuning car after car. When I'm on GT5, 99% of the time, I'm racing people online, because that's what I enjoy most.

I don't necessarily consider myself a tuner. I've created tunes, but I don't have theories, or systems other than LSD and Tranny Gears. I drive the car, change 1 thing, drive it, change 1 thing, drive it, and I don't stop doing that, until I literally can't make the car any faster for myself. That's how I tune, and that's why it takes me weeks to months to finish 1 car, but I can guarantee you, that I literally squeezed every last fraction of a second out of the car, for my driving style.
 
JLawrence
I was commending him on making such a definitive statement that more or less killed any possible argument.



And you did say that =)

But whatever. Sorry for coming off like a dick there.
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I wasnt looking to have an argument lol

I just felt that the conversation had been stopped dead in its tracks. I only sent him an invite on PSN because it would have been great to talk to someone who tunes using the mic rather than playing 'thread tennis' and bouncing back and forth. League race is sunday so I hoped to talk to someone online on PSN and say stuff like "it feels too loose" and have that immediate feedback on what settings to alter in order to combat that etc.

Anyway no worries for being a dick lol ;)
 
Adrenaline
As you can see from my tuning page, I only have tunes for about 7 of my own cars posted. When I tune a car, it takes me weeks at the very least. Many of my other cars have various tunes on them from other garages, which you can deduct from my review thread, where the fastest tune is what stays on my car.

I have absolutely no desire to spend my GT5 time tuning car after car. When I'm on GT5, 99% of the time, I'm racing people online, because that's what I enjoy most.

I don't necessarily consider myself a tuner. I've created tunes, but I don't have theories, or systems other than LSD and Tranny Gears. I drive the car, change 1 thing, drive it, change 1 thing, drive it, and I don't stop doing that, until I literally can't make the car any faster for myself. That's how I tune, and that's why it takes me weeks to months to finish 1 car, but I can guarantee you, that I literally squeezed every last fraction of a second out of the car, for my driving style.
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The part of Adrenaline's last post that I highlighted is what I feel is the most important. There are a lot of great tunes here in the forum and some tunes for a given car may seem to be contradictory to each other. The thing is those tunes fit someone's driving style. Your unlikely to find your "perfect" tune in anyone's garage but you are likely to find a tune that is fairly well suited to your driving style. When you find a tune that you like the next step is to start making those minor adjustments that Adrenaline talks about to get it as fast for you and your driving style as possible.
 
praiano63
If you want to try my tune i just want to say that it is this one.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5612259#post5612259

I have 2 ,and the one with no downforce is much more eficient for 600 pp.
The other one is for full powered tune with aerofoil.
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Priano do you mind me asking something which ive never really understood? In your tunes you always say "adapt with final gear for the track"?

Now, if i use your exact settings for the mclaren at 233.6mph obvioulsy thats what too fast that track as i dont need about 210 really to allow for drafting down that long positive camber bend coming up to the start/finish.

So do i do exactly as you have said then just drop the final gear down? Sorry mate, im new to all this so im a bit lost, forgive me :Oo

Perhaps if i could be cheeky you might take your mclaren for a spin on that track and give me some recoomendations for gear ratios and top speed? Thanks man, gunna try your setup anyway :)
 
dazlia
I wasnt looking to have an argument lol

I just felt that the conversation had been stopped dead in its tracks. I only sent him an invite on PSN because it would have been great to talk to someone who tunes using the mic rather than playing 'thread tennis' and bouncing back and forth. League race is sunday so I hoped to talk to someone online on PSN and say stuff like "it feels too loose" and have that immediate feedback on what settings to alter in order to combat that etc.

Anyway no worries for being a dick lol ;)
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Argument as in Debate. And I know what you mean about that. When I have a friend that asks me to help tune a car for them I like to have them in the room running it as well.


dazlia
Priano do you mind me asking something which ive never really understood? In your tunes you always say "adapt with final gear for the track"?
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He means to figure out what top speed you can attain at the end of the longest straight and set your transmission up to reach that on any given track, ie- on Trial Mountain I can make 160 on the back straight in my Cobra, so I run a final gear that has me redlining just as I reach that point. It allows for the best acceleration while still keeping the high end.
 
JLawrence
Argument as in Debate. And I know what you mean about that. When I have a friend that asks me to help tune a car for them I like to have them in the room running it as well.




He means to figure out what top speed you can attain at the end of the longest straight and set your transmission up to reach that on any given track, ie- on Trial Mountain I can make 160 on the back straight in my Cobra, so I run a final gear that has me redlining just as I reach that point. It allows for the best acceleration while still keeping the high end.
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Ahh ok that kind of makes sense lol His tune for the mclaren says :-

Transmission how to process:
1- Select default
2- Select final gear at 2370 (stock)
3- Select top speed at 400 km/h = 248,5 mph
4- Set each gear at this ratio:
1: 4388
2: 2891
3: 2214
4: 1769
5: 1429
6: 1209

It 'll give a top speed (above on the right) of 376 km/h = 233,6 mph

Tracks: All around / adapt with final gear to each track

So what he's saying is set it up EXACTLY like that and then set my top speed to say 211 and by adjusting only the final gear ratio i get it to redline at my desired top speed yeh? stop laughing........i todl you im a noob lol :)
 
dazlia
Priano do you mind me asking something which ive never really understood? In your tunes you always say "adapt with final gear for the track"?

Now, if i use your exact settings for the mclaren at 233.6mph obvioulsy thats what too fast that track as i dont need about 210 really to allow for drafting down that long positive camber bend coming up to the start/finish.

So do i do exactly as you have said then just drop the final gear down? Sorry mate, im new to all this so im a bit lost, forgive me :Oo

Perhaps if i could be cheeky you might take your mclaren for a spin on that track and give me some recoomendations for gear ratios and top speed? Thanks man, gunna try your setup anyway :)
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Yes my friend. After you put the settings exactly the way it's writen on the tune, you will have a max speed ,the one appear above on the right of 233.6 mph. On the track ,you will never reach this speed , but a few mph under.... This are the settings to reach the max speed in the ring straight ,at the max rpm x power.
To adapt your speed to any track, if you want a lower speed, you increase your final drive. increase = shorter gearbox , decrease = longer gearbox.
Just don't touch the max speed setting if not you'll have to reset all again.

So for indy road check your max speed in the straight and set the final gear to reach a max speed above on the right, +- 10 mph more .
I'm going to check it now anyway and i send you a PM later.
 
praiano63
Yes my friend. After you put the settings exactly the way it's writen on the tune, you will have a max speed ,the one appear above on the right of 233.6 mph. On the track ,you will never reach this speed , but a few mph under.... This are the settings to reach the max speed in the ring straight ,at the max rpm x power.
To adapt your speed to any track, if you want a lower speed, you increase your final drive. increase = shorter gearbox , decrease = longer gearbox.
Just don't touch the max speed setting if not you'll have to reset all again.

So for indy road check your max speed in the straight and set the final gear to reach a max speed above on the right, +- 10 mph more .
I'm going to check it now anyway and i send you a PM later.
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Thanks so much :) See I'm learnign already lol Nice 1 mate. I've only had GT5 since November 2010.........it takes time to figure these things out lololol
 
praiano63
Yes my friend. After you put the settings exactly the way it's writen on the tune, you will have a max speed ,the one appear above on the right of 233.6 mph.
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I have a friend with an actual spread sheet designed to find the perfect gear ratios for any given car/track, and with your diagram method you are remarkably close to what it read for the Camaro LM, and presumably the rest. Props bro. If I can get that from him I may have to share it with you.
 
praiano63
Yes my friend. After you put the settings exactly the way it's writen on the tune, you will have a max speed ,the one appear above on the right of 233.6 mph. On the track ,you will never reach this speed , but a few mph under.... This are the settings to reach the max speed in the ring straight ,at the max rpm x power.
To adapt your speed to any track, if you want a lower speed, you increase your final drive. increase = shorter gearbox , decrease = longer gearbox.
Just don't touch the max speed setting if not you'll have to reset all again.

So for indy road check your max speed in the straight and set the final gear to reach a max speed above on the right, +- 10 mph more .
I'm going to check it now anyway and i send you a PM later.
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Priano. ! more thing ;OP.....

How the hell do YOU work out those gear ratios? Is there some complicated algorthym you use or do you simply use trial and error? I only ask becuase now i know how to do this id like apply that method to all my other cars so that im getting max acceleration with my desired top end speed.

Or is it too complicated to to discuss here really? Im assuming there MUST be an easy calculation for it but i may be wrong?

Thanks again mate, very helpful information is that, nice 1 :)
 
JLawrence
I have a friend with an actual spread sheet designed to find the perfect gear ratios for any given car/track, and with your diagram method you are remarkably close to what it read for the Camaro LM, and presumably the rest. Props bro. If I can get that from him I may have to share it with you.
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The easy way my friend ,the easy way... Math ,the last time it was at school 30 years ago... :)
It work good, just need to check the power band graphic to check the better rpm to shift for some few cars it can be important ... That's all.
Everything is on the links at the beginning of my garage, to share with everybody.
 

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