Change Weather is a LIE

[TCSdisable]

Yesterday I have challenge Suzuka 1000km, the Race start at monsoon

At the First Pit stop (15 laps), I have try using Racing Wet, after the change my car uncompetitive.
Before the pit I done 2:00, after the pit I couldn't break into 2:15...

Tried over 5 laps I go to pit and switch them to Racing Intermediate...
However, the change being me just 5 sec faster and the pit works cause me lose 6 more positions.

Before last pit stop, the Pit menu were automatically select "Racing Hard", at the moment, I have to think 'should I trust the system?'

At the moment I couldn't endure with slow lap time, I were running 12th/12.
After few laps, I decide switch to Racing Hard to try...

The Ridiculous Moment were started...
After I applied the Racing Hard tyres, my car competitive has come back.
The lap times could done 2:03, and I can overtake 5 car again on track!

Also, I found the Track IS NOT SLIPPY as I thought (TCS were disabled.)

In next pit stop I switch back to Racing medium, my Lap time being normal... 2:00 ±3sec per laps.
I can overlap the 2nd place 1 lap.

This troubleshoot moment were took me 1 hour on track 👎
BTW, this rain were stop at Race time 2hr 55min.
I understand Racing line could be dry by tyres heats.
But the Rain drops were continuously almost 3 hours, this drops not enough to fill on the surfaces?


The only fact I understand in this case: In GT5, if the tails spray not big and very white, don't apply Wet Tyres....

If someone interest I will post my Replay soon.

 

[shirakawaa]

Also, I Found the Track IS NOT SLIPPY as I thought (TCS were disabled.)

That's because all offline races (except practice runs, if you set them up accordingly) use the "Grip reduction off the track" setting on "Low" instead of "Real"

 

[TCSdisable]

That's because all offline races (except practice runs, if you set them up accordingly) use the "Grip reduction off the track" setting on "Low" instead of "Real"

Well... this way too LOW. My Fastest lap time achieved in lap 77 (After the Rain) and done 1:59 with my Racing Medium !

Grip reduction? I think there is NO

 

[Lion-Face]

Yeah, when Grip Reduction is set to Low, Racing Slicks are faster than racing wets on wet track. All A-spec races are set to Grip Reduction Low. If you set Grip Reduction to Real, you won't get anywhere on slicks on a wet track.

 

[Duck]

That default to 'low' disappoints me a little. Every time I need realistic offline grip I need to manage options......

Default should be 'realistic'. It must be considered a drive aid.....

 

[TCSdisable]

Yeah, when Grip Reduction is set to Low, Racing Slicks are faster than racing wets on wet track. All A-spec races are set to Grip Reduction Low. If you set Grip Reduction to Real, you won't get anywhere on slicks on a wet track.

I wanna this implement as REAL, on my 1000km case, the LOW is NO 👎

BTW, Same Track I get wet in Formula Gran Turismo series, I need apply Racing Wet, even I turn on TCS 8, the track a REAL DAMN SLIPPY. I have no idea with my Suzuka 1000km case

 

[sinbad]

This is why I've constantly asked the question: "What's the point of Grip Reduction options?"

There are more than enough driver aids/assists. Wet roads should be slippy, grass should be slippy, there should be no options.

 

[Big Ron]

But you can set the grip reduction for every car on "realistic" and you should feel the difference.

If you don´t change the option, you have just low grip reduction, which is like "nearly no reduction".

 

[jjaisli]

As other people have mentioned, off-line/A-spec events default to 'low' grip reduction as opposed to real. And RS/RM/RH tires provide more grip and quicker lap times than Intermediates or even Rain tires when the track is wet. Ridiculous, really.

I find it somewhat amusing to be honest. Online, if you click the right boxes, and race with like-minded people, GT5 is actually a pretty decent simulator, with FFB and physics on par or at least pretty close to the better PC sims. Offline, for the most part, it's nothing more than an arcade game with great graphics. Between unrealistic levels of grip on a wet track, to not being able to uncheck skid recovery on license tests/special events, I've basically given up on career mode. If you want realism, A-spec and seasonal events are a joke. And I find the great debate over race saves for endurance races, highly ironic. With no real restrictions and AI opponents that drive like a bunch of grandmothers, what's the point? Is it even a challenge or is it just a matter of going through the motions.

 

[NA]

But you can set the grip reduction for every car on "realistic" and you should feel the difference.

If you don´t change the option, you have just low grip reduction, which is like "nearly no reduction".

^^This

The reason it's not on "realistic" by default is because a majority of people who buy this are not likely to be hardcore players of high skill at start, so the game is tailored for the more casual player. It makes more sense business wise to leave the minority to change it themselves rather than risk intimidating the casual majority with too much realism right out of the box.

 

[Nielsen]

Yeah, when Grip Reduction is set to Low, Racing Slicks are faster than racing wets on wet track. All A-spec races are set to Grip Reduction Low. If you set Grip Reduction to Real, you won't get anywhere on slicks on a wet track.

So rain/intermediate tyres does nothing but slow you down in A-Spec? Another useless decision!

 

[Morgoth_666]

The reason it's not on "realistic" by default is because a majority of people who buy this are not likely to be hardcore players of high skill at start, so the game is tailored for the more casual player. It makes more sense business wise to leave the minority to change it themselves rather than risk intimidating the casual majority with too much realism right out of the box.

In what way does this excuse the decision to NOT ALLOW US TO MAKE THE OFFLINE GAME FUN once we reach the level of being able to(or have the desire to attempt to) handle it? Default is one thing, disallowed is quite another, All the things that are options for online MUST be options for all of GT Life and Arcade as well, period. Anything short is just insulting your customers and weakening your game's [re]playablity.

We can use over-or-under-powered cars in the races so the "it would upset the game's balance" type of arguments don't apply, except perhaps in some of the license tests / special events.

 

[TCSdisable]

The rain drop almost 3 hours. Outdoor object, surface and cars, don't care how heavy or not, they should be most emitted, wet and slippy, that isn't a simple common scenes?

 

[dening80]

So the "Grip reduction off track" relates to the whole track in wet conditions?

I know I've noticed
A-that dropping a wheel on the grass with the option on real will set you spinning where as if it is low it's fine.
and
B-that the wet weather tyre choice system is whack...Streaming spray should not have slicks running better than inters.

 

[Morgoth_666]

So the "Grip reduction off track" relates to the whole track in wet conditions?

I know I've noticed
A-that dropping a wheel on the grass with the option on real will set you spinning where as if it is low it's fine.
and
B-that the wet weather tyre choice system is whack...Streaming spray should not have slicks running better than inters.

As I understand it, it basically should be renamed "off-line" as it changes the dynamic of the tires everywhere, except perhaps right on the racing line. You slide more, period, and as you mentioned, touching the grass can be a nightmare. It also has a dramatic effect on wet weather. On a fully wet track with it set to Real it is very difficult to drive even on sport tires, you need either wets or treaded comfort tires.

I've also heard that it creates more of an effect of 'dirty tires' giving you less grip for a while after an off. I think this may be true but I might just tend to have crashes in bunches for other reasons.

 

[PAWEL17]

This is why I've constantly asked the question: "What's the point of Grip Reduction options?"

There are more than enough driver aids/assists. Wet roads should be slippy, grass should be slippy, there should be no options.

Yes exactly.

And man, was i frustrated when i did the suzuka GT enduro, rain for 80% of the race, and i was on super softs the whole time. And when i went on rain wets, the other cars flew by me, and i was stunned!(With the AI as terrible as it is).

 

[TCSdisable]

I tried "Grip reduction off track " option in practice with same car, tyres, track and weather.

Both of them are RM Tyres and TCS are off

Set to Real: Non Drive-able Wheel spin easily with hard gas.
Set to Low: Drive-able, possible wheel spin and feel easy from the AI.

I Hate Grip reduction "Low" definition.

 

[OK8]

This is why I've constantly asked the question: "What's the point of Grip Reduction options?"

There are more than enough driver aids/assists. Wet roads should be slippy, grass should be slippy, there should be no options.

Exactly 👍

One thing we need an option for is the drag. Or not an option but we need to get it fixed.

 

[Sauber_C9]

I thought the grip reduction at track edge only affected driving off of the driving line.

With it set to low the grip is the same across the width of the track. Set to real and there is less grip at the edges (less rubber and more debris). Maybe you just aren't following the driving line?

 

[BWX]

The way rain tires act in rain is as dumb as the way race hard tires wear out twice as fast as race soft tires in a 30+ lap on-line race. The REALLY stupid part is that we get race helmets and hans devices but Kaz and PD won't fix these very basic and glaring problems with GT5. Another WTFPD moment for backwards thinking.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

I dont understand the problem .. why not just click grip reduction realistic?

 

[undergroundHD]

I dont understand the problem .. why not just click grip reduction realistic?

Seems to be automatically set to low on A-Spec, I've never really took notice of it.

What I want to know, is why can't we do a 'change weather' custom track, whereas you can enable it in My Lounge? I always have to save a dry and a wet version each, so annoying!

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

Seems to be automatically set to low on A-Spec, I've never really took notice of it.

What I want to know, is why can't we do a 'change weather' custom track, whereas you can enable it in My Lounge? I always have to save a dry and a wet version each, so annoying!

I know but im saying whats so hard about switching it to realistic ?
.. they are acting as if they have to tear their ps3 apart and rebuild it to set it to realistic when in reality its only a mere 2 clicks of a button lol

And yea seems like another little thing they overlooked .. the way they over look things makes me think they are working on something big that would fix all the minor problems with a big update .. or that they are all on vacation laughing at us freak out over all these tiny issues lol

 

[Sohvakettu]

I don't think it's possible to turn the grip reduction to real in a-spec races at all. Only possible in practice and online modes.

 

[dening80]

It appears that this is yet another thing that works for some in theory but not for others.

The covert implementation and inconsistent customization is very frustrating with this game.

I doubt it's ridiculously simple for PD to make this many options available to us but surely it can't be a mammoth task. The Real Driving Simulator should give us options like this and the many others people would prefer before arcade-y race suits, seems out of touch.

 

[TCSdisable]

the reason is simple

Let the light user feel easy,
but this move let me like a NOOB 👎

Once again, I saw rainy, I thinking on Racing Wet or Racing Intermediate, that isn't common senses?

 

[Morgoth_666]

I know but im saying whats so hard about switching it to realistic ?

What's so hard about it is that it is IMPOSSIBLE.

No matter how hard you look, you will never find a way to set it to real for any A-Spec race, even the endurance races. Why is it so difficult to understand that that would bother some people?

It should be, like many other things, something you could set globally from the main options menu and then change for any specific event as desired. Shouldn't be that difficult for a game designer to figure that out, but it seems to be these days.