Changing badges on US cars

[Famine]

How can this be true?, where does it state, that changing a badge on a car, only ever has a negative reaction?

I didn't state that at all. Let's reread the whole quote without editing it to pretend it's an encapsulated sentence with a different meaning:

It's about an action that only ever has a negative response (and there are varying levels of negative response) if it generates a response at all

As to how it can be true, I already covered that in earlier posts.

There are three possible reactions. They are positive, negative and neutral. The majority of responses will be neutral - they are people who do not notice. The second most will be negative - they are people who do notice and think ill of you for doing so. The least will be positive - they are people who do notice and approve and they may well be limited not only to people in that car's community but a small section of that community. I covered these people earlier as well:

Still we're butting up against either no-one noticing or those that do notice thinking ill of you. There will, of course, always be a small community of like-minded individuals who will approve, but they're quite small compared to the larger community of "people who know things about cars".

If you disagree, you are welcome to show how there are other possible reactions than none at all, negative and positive or why they'd occur in different proportions.

 

[JacoJa]

So, lets assume for a moment that my Father is considering buying a Pontiac G8. (He wants to, and he very well may)

Would it be lame to get Vauxhall/Holden bumpers-insignias put on it?

Or similarly if you bought a car that was re-badged for the American market, is it worth getting the European or Australian markings?

Speak your opinion.

I definitely think it isn't lame to rebadge a car with the overseas equivalent. It'll be like replacing a '04 Holden Barina's badges with a Opel Corsa badge. There's nothing wrong with that.

Though it you want to replace the badging of the G8 you should also replace the front bumper with the Holden bumper... looks much better. I think you will also need to replace the hood, as it's designed to fit around the Pontiac bumper.

 

[Nessy]

I didn't state that at all. Let's reread the whole quote without editing it to pretend it's an encapsulated sentence with a different meaning:

Edited or unedited, it's in no-way taken out of context.. (if that's what you're implying).... You still state "it's about an action that Only ever has a negative response", which again, is a statement that simply isn't true.


As to how it can be true, I already covered that in earlier posts.

There are three possible reactions. They are positive, negative and neutral. The majority of responses will be neutral - they are people who do not notice. The second most will be negative - they are people who do notice and think ill of you for doing so. The least will be positive - they are people who do notice and approve and they may well be limited not only to people in that car's community but a small section of that community. I covered these people earlier as well:

I don't entirely disagree with this, but in my case (as someone who doesn't disapprove), I'm not in that cars community... but yes, i can see it's all too easy to pigeon-hole peoples opinions.


If you disagree, you are welcome to show how there are other possible reactions than none at all, negative and positive or why they'd occur in different proportions.

I'm not really disputing the proportions part of it at all... all i'm saying, is that my opinion is proof of a positive reaction (in regards to a Vauxhall/Opel badge swap.. slightly off topic from the OP, i know).. and i'm not even part of that particular community, and i find it hard to believe that i'm the only one to share this opinion.

One final question Famine, What was the significance of the question you asked me?.. "The bigger question is... why would it appeal to you to drive around in a RHD "Opel"?".....

 

[Famine]

Edited or unedited, it's in no-way taken out of context.. (if that's what you're implying).... You still state "it's about an action that Onlyever has a negative response", which again, is a statement that simply isn't true.

No. I clearly stated that the majority of occasions are no response at all. You changed it so that it was an inaccurate encapsulated sentence where it previously wasn't. That is not conducive to sensible discussion.

I don't entirely disagree with this, but in my case (as someone who doesn't disapprove), I'm not in that cars community... but yes, i can see it's all too easy to pigeon-hole peoples opinions.

I'm not really disputing the proportions part of it at all... all i'm saying, is that my opinion is proof of a positive reaction (in regards to a Vauxhall/Opel badge swap.. slightly off topic from the OP, i know).. and i'm not even part of that particular community, and i find it hard to believe that i'm the only one to share this opinion.

This is what we'd term "morphic resonance" - where two groups come to the same conclusion independently of each other. Possibly slightly unfair, because it usually applies to animals, but the idea is the same.

Sadly, there's a corollary. If you do something and say you don't care what other people think, you shouldn't care even when it's a positive response.

I treat praise of my car the same way I treat denigration of it. I don't care.

One final question Famine, What was the significance of the question you asked me?.. "The bigger question is... why would it appeal to you to drive around in a RHD "Opel"?".....

It's about the introspection part of it. I'll requote myself:

Ultimately if you're happy doing something, you've justified it to at least yourself - and if it's good enough to satisfy your own internal burden of proof it's good enough to express to others (unless you distrust your own internal burden of proof). It should also be robust enough to resist external examination.

If you can justify to yourself why it appeals to you, in theory you're sorted.

However the reality is often (not always) different - and if it weren't, Barryboys would be a much smaller, quieter and nicer site.

 

[Nessy]

No. I clearly stated that the majority of occasions are no response at all. You changed it so that it was an inaccurate encapsulated sentence where it previously wasn't. That is not conducive to sensible discussion.

Here's the discussion that i quoted from:

At 1ness
You're right... but only if the individual cares for it to be an issue to them, if it were me, and i'd changed my Vauxhall badges for Opel ones, and other people had a problem with me doing so... well that's their problem, that's their issue.. not mine, as i haven't done it for them, i've done it because it appeals to me, if people like it.. then Great, if people don't like it.. not a problem, afterall it's not their car... i bought the car, why do i have to conform to what others feel is acceptable?... Answer, i don't, and if people want to mock me for it, then really.. they're probably the ones being lame and somewhat childish even.

Famine
Yes, indeed they are. But this is somewhat the point - the general population is made up of childish imbeciles.

It's not about "conforming" (nor being different for the sake of being different, which is often the same thing). In fact it's nothing to do with what you're doing at all. It's about an action that only ever has a negative response (and there are varying levels of negative response) if it generates a response at all - and driving about in a RHD "Opel" does exactly that.


The bigger question is... why would it appeal to you to drive around in a RHD "Opel"?
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I still fail to see how you can accuse me of making up a sentence to mean something else.... i personally feel it was still in context


It's about the introspection part of it. I'll requote myself:

That's ^ not really explaining the significance of the question you asked me, i think what i'm trying to say is, "what did my answer to the question mean to you?"... and why would you ask that question of me?... is it really about introspection?.. or is it you simply wanted my opinion?... and if so, why?

 

[Famine]

I still fail to see how you can accuse me of making up a sentence to mean something else.... i personally feel it was still in context

It wasn't a complete sentence. You changed it into one with a different meaning.

That's ^ not really explaining the significance of the question you asked me, i think what i'm trying to say is, "what did my answer to the question mean to you?"... and why would you ask that question of me?... is it really about introspection?.. or is it you simply wanted my opinion?... and if so, why?

It's not about answering me or giving me your opinion. In fact I don't want an answer. It's about asking yourself these questions - that's the point of introspection after all.

Once you reach an answer you're secure with, it doesn't matter what anyone else says. Experience with Barryboys says that precious few reach that answer, as they largely appear to care quite a great deal what other people say - to the point of joining a website to hurl insults at those people.

 

[Nessy]

It's not about answering me or giving me your opinion. In fact I don't want an answer. It's about asking yourself these questions - that's the point of introspection after all.

Well if you didn't want an answer.. then why ask me?, infact it makes me laugh that you tried to label it as an introspective question..., if you had read my post prior to your question, it was clearly pointed out that i prefer the Opel badge as opposed to the Vauxhall one (for aesthetic reasons) ... so i think it's fairly safe to assume that i'd drive around in a RHD Opel.... therefore, no need for you to ask that introspective question.

As for me conjuring up sentences to create different meanings, i still maintain that i did nothing wrong... especially when you take into account the ending of your original (unedited) quote,

Famine:
Yes, indeed they are. But this is somewhat the point - the general population is made up of childish imbeciles.

It's not about "conforming" (nor being different for the sake of being different, which is often the same thing). In fact it's nothing to do with what you're doing at all. It's about an action that only ever has a negative response (and there are varying levels of negative response) if it generates a response at all - and driving about in a RHD "Opel" does exactly that.

(in fairness, maybe this is the way i should have quoted it in the first place)


With regards to Barryboys site, iv'e never visited it, i have seen a couple of pics from there that have been posted on other sites though, and from what i can make out (please correct me if i'm wrong.. which i probably am)... it seems to me, it's just a site for slagging off others car modifications.

 

[Famine]

Well if you didn't want an answer.. then why ask me?

I didn't. The question was not directed at anyone, merely posed as a question.

infact it makes me laugh that you tried to label it as an introspective question..., if you had read my post prior to your question, it was clearly pointed out that i prefer the Opel badge as opposed to the Vauxhall one (for aesthetic reasons) ... so i think it's fairly safe to assume that i'd drive around in a RHD Opel.... therefore, no need for you to ask that introspective question.

Couple of minor points here. First, I cannot ask an introspective question of anyone but myself. Second, I'd even read your earlier post where you said you didn't own a Vauxhall... Asking it of you would make it a hypothetical at best and thus without merit*...


It's not a complicated concept. If you [perform act] you must ask yourself why you would [perform act]. If you can justify to yourself why you would [perform act] then you have a basis for presenting [action] to others as justifiable and have no problem explaining or defending [action].

This is what introspection is.

Typically, though, the response to questioning about vehicles or modifications is met with hostility - as if the individual hasn't at any point bothered attempting to justify their actions to themselves.

As for me conjuring up sentences to create different meanings, i still maintain that i did nothing wrong...

You quoted a part of a sentence and put a full stop after it, to make it look like an encapsulated sentence. By missing off the rest of the sentence you changed its meaning. I can demonstrate why this is wrong easily:

i have to conform to what others feel is acceptable.

With regards to Barryboys site, iv'e never visited it, i have seen a couple of pics from there that have been posted on other sites though, and from what i can make out (please correct me if i'm wrong.. which i probably am)... it seems to me, it's just a site for slagging off others car modifications.

In part.

The purpose is to laugh at badly modified cars, or cars with bad modifications - and we've uncovered some downright dangerous modifications carried out in the name of aesthetics (including the guy who hand drilled four holes in his brake discs' centres to fit the four-stud discs onto five stud hubs). Typically it degenerates into slagging matches because of a lack of introspection on behalf of the vehicles' owners - as I said earlier, they are unable to differentiate comments about their vehicles or modifications from personal insults and most certainly do care what other people think about their cars.

It is quite a rude site and not necessarily suitable for all. It's also amusing to note that I'm an admin there and use site-appropriate language while people on GTPlanet who get infractions for bad language like to throw accusations about how sheltered lives we lead.


* Vauxhall trim level jokes for the win

 

[Nessy]

My bad then, i thought the question was directed at me...

Also see the point you make about the punctuation.. again, my bad.. punctuation (along with other things) has never been 1 of my strong points, though on a whole (re: full quote.. latter one in particular), i think we're going to have to disagree, as i still feel i didn't really take anything out of context when you look at the whole picture.

Regarding Barryboys, yeah thought as much... that's the impression i got from the pics iv'e seen floating around, though the thought of someone compromising the integrity of their brake discs to be able to fit it onto a 5 stud... sounds pretty stupid dangerous to me, i don't think that particular site would appeal to me personally, as i get the impression that a lot of people on that site probably like to laugh at Bosozoku style cars and such, i actually like Bosozoku style and i do like the look of some (not all) heavily modified cars, not that i would personally heavily modify a car (just my opinion)... just don't see the harm in doing so... each to their own i guess etc...

 

[Famine]

We certainly do laugh at Bosozoku, though we've had a surfeit of them and they are specifically banned from being posted in the appropriate section.

Horrifically, the 5-stud guy (who is now a BB meme) insisted that the mod was safe despite advice from three separate automotive engineers (at Ford, Bentley and Aston Martin) because "nothing had ever happened" and claimed to have done it on several vehicles. It put us in mind of the guy who put his Land Rover into a lake and killed his kids as a result of badly executed brake mods.

BB is also the origin of the Custard Proof meme.

 

[Smallhorses]

Also see the point you make about the punctuation.. again, my bad.. punctuation (along with other things) has never been 1 of my strong points...

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Well this thread went to hell.

*Edited so I don't end up with an infraction.

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

Go for. It use to be done here all the time with Integras and still done with 240s.

 

[eiriksmil]

Toyota Yaris Verso (super dooper lame name) in Europe, Toyota Funcargo (weird as **** but fun name) in Japan.

Toyota Yaris Verso with the wrong badge on it, rice or not?