Changing my processor (basic help needed)

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Currently I have an Intel dual-core i3 530 @ 2.93Ghz, but I want to upgrade it.
Thing is, how can I tell which processors my PC can take?

I was looking at this one:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004FA8NX2/?tag=gtplanetuk-20

Looks good, but I've no idea whether or not I can fit that in my PC. Does it say somewhere in/around/on my PC, or is it written in some log file what kind of processor socket I have?

Note - I'm a bit computer tech dumb, so try to keep it simple :nervous:

EDIT: I've just looked my processor up, and it says "socket 1156". Is this the important part?
Sorry but I'm really stupid when it comes to this sort of thing.
 
I believe that the one you're looking at (the ad) wont fit because it's a 1155 socket.
If my memory is correct then yes, you need to have a mother board and processor have the same number to be compatible. (I think there were some exceptions at one point but I'm not too sure)

Therefore you need to find one that matches your current 1156 socket.
 
Any of these would fit. I'd recommend changing motherboard though.

See, it's when people start saying things like "change motherboard" that I get apprehensive.
Is it easy to change the motherboard? Do they come with a processor already pre-fitted?
 
No it's not easy, and no they don't come with a processor.

What is the reason you want to upgrade? Is it slow? Can it not do what you want it to do? What are the other specs? How much RAM does it have? What GPU?
 
Windows 7 Home Premium (fully up to date S.P and all that), 8Gb DDR3 RAM, AMD Radeon HD 6870, Intel i3 dual-core 530 @ 2.93GHz.
I play mostly simulations, but get the odd slow-down. I think the processor is just a little slow for today's simulators.
The GPU is great, I've more than enough RAM. Just concerned about the Chip.
 
Cores > clock speed, switching to any socket 1156 quad-core would be a substantial and noticeable performance improvement. I wouldn't normally suggest sticking with an older platform but as you already have an 1156 board and certain 1156 processors are still very strong performers, an 1156 chip (i5/i7) would definitely be a viable option. That said, CPU installation is easily the "hardest" part of a PC upgrade so if you're going to replace the CPU you might as well do it properly and get a new motherboard that accepts 1155 Sandy Bridge.
 
Windows 7 Home Premium (fully up to date S.P and all that), 8Gb DDR3 RAM, AMD Radeon HD 6870, Intel i3 dual-core 530 @ 2.93GHz.
I play mostly simulations, but get the odd slow-down. I think the processor is just a little slow for today's simulators.
The GPU is great, I've more than enough RAM. Just concerned about the Chip.

I think the processor is more than enough, does your motherboard allow overclocking? Should be able to get a decent bump up in performance without increasing voltage. If you rather upgrade processor, it makes sense to get something like a Ivy Bridge motherboard and get a new processor than get a quad core 1156 processor.

Are you sure it is processor is slowing it down, what is your hard drive? That might be the cause.
 
I don't know anything technical about it, I'll just be honest.
How do I go about overclocking? I read all the time about people overclocking but no idea what it means or how to do it :(

My hard drive is 500Gb, but don't know what make/model. Where do I find this out?

EDIT - I've went through the normal channels searching but can't find out anything about my HDD. In [computer] it's listed as usual with the used/free space, but clicking on [properties] doesn't reveal anything else.
 
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I don't know anything technical about it, I'll just be honest.
How do I go about overclocking? I read all the time about people overclocking but no idea what it means or how to do it :(

My hard drive is 500Gb, but don't know what make/model. Where do I find this out?

EDIT - I've went through the normal channels searching but can't find out anything about my HDD. In [computer] it's listed as usual with the used/free space, but clicking on [properties] doesn't reveal anything else.

How to overclock depends on your motherboard.

You can find motherboard and hard drive model through using something like this freeware:

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/pc-wizard.html

By the way which simulations do you get slow downs, what's your FPS in them games?
 
If you go to Computer/My Computer and right click on your hard drive, then go to properties there is a hardware tab. It should show a disk drive, your optical drive. The disk drive is most likely a few letters and then a bunch of numbers.

Example, my computer i'm on is running a Seagate 500GB. ST3500413as

The first two letters are generally the manufacturer. ST = Seagate, WD= Western Digital.

I like how people mention overclocking but fail to mention a few things that can happen when overclocking.

1. IT VOIDS YOUR WARRANTY ON CPU/MOTHERBOARD
2. You need to get an aftermarket heatsink/fan as generally most stock heatsink/fans won't do that job well enough.
3. You may need a new case with better airflow or increase the fans you have.
4. You may need a better PSU than you have now.
5. Generally, overclocking only nets a 5-15% increase. However you may experience system lockups in an OC state.

Granted your motherboard might be great at overclocking, but is it worth it.

Changing an Intel CPU isn't that difficult. If you don't feel up to trying a local computer shop can swap it out in less than 10 minutes. Granted they might charge you an hour service, but if you buy the CPU from them they will probably do it for free.

Removing the heatsink part requires a flat head screwdriver most times.

1. Power down system
2. Leave power cord plugged in so the case is still grounded.
3. Ground yourself, touch the metal part of the case and don't wear socks on carpet.
4. Remove the CPU FAN Power, generally 3/4 wires coming from the cpu fan that plugs nearby into the motherboard.
5. There are 4 posts on the outside of the heatsink. There is an slot where you can put in the flat head screwdriver and turn it counter clockwise(I think) 90 degrees. Do all 4 pins then the heatsink/fan should pull straight up out of the motherboard.

here's a quick video I found on it. Not the greatest quality, but it shows how to remove the heatsink.



At 2:36 he shows a closeup of the CPU. On the left here is a U shaped metal piece, that holds the cpu in place. It might look a little different, I think that first video is for a 775 motherboard, but there is still a lever on one side. You move that to the side and it will release the cover over the CPU. Then grab the cpu and remove it.



You will want to use your new heatsink/fan if you got one. Generally you will always get a new one unless you buy one that says "CPU ONLY"

The new fan/heatsink will have thermal paste already on it. However if you want to, you can replace that thermal paste with an aftermarket, paste. If you do use aftermarket paste, you'll want to remove the existing paste that's on the new heatsink. You would apply a small amount of paste to the cpu once it's installed in the motherboard.

Antec Thermal Paste

If you do all this then install the fan/heatsink. You will get instructions with your new CPU, but it's easy.

Once your all put back together Windows might ask you to re-activate as you've changed some hardware. But that should be fine, and worst case you have to call the 800 number and talk to someone, but it's not a big deal. I don't think it matters much on just a CPU replacement.
 
Yeah I've done a bit more research today and I think I'm going to go for a straight swap - replacing my dual-core i3 530 with the above listed quad-core i7 870.
I don't like the idea of overclocking my current processor, and the problems that (could) come with it. Nor do I want to replace my motherboard seeing as I don't need to.

The i7 870 with over £250 (53%) off the RRP is too good to miss.

Infinital-NG - Thanks for the well explained post.
 
No problem. It's what I do for a living. :)

One thing I don't think the video touched on is installing the new heatsink/fan. It will have the same 4 post, make sure they 'click' when you press down on them. Easy way to check after you've installed it is the heatsink should not budge at all. If you try and lightly pull up on it, it should stay in place. If one side moves then that post isn't in correctly.
 
Yeah I've done a bit more research today and I think I'm going to go for a straight swap - replacing my dual-core i3 530 with the above listed quad-core i7 870.
I don't like the idea of overclocking my current processor, and the problems that (could) come with it. Nor do I want to replace my motherboard seeing as I don't need to.

The i7 870 with over £250 (53%) off the RRP is too good to miss.

Infinital-NG - Thanks for the well explained post.
You can overclock your processor a bit without increasing voltage so there is little risk.

What PSU do you have by the way? Your current dual core is very efficient as it is based on 32nm process like Sandy Bridge, while the 1156 quad cores are 45nm so it will take quite a bit more power on load. However the 870 is a bit better than the original ones out so it does not do too badly in that department.

If you are set on the idea of getting the 870, get it off something like eBay, quite a bit cheaper. I think though in general, if you are willing to spend that much on CPU, you could upgrade to a 3570K and new motherboard for similar outlay as the Amazon price for the 870. You computer will then be considerably more faster while also being very energy efficient.
 
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RikkiGT-R
Yeah I've done a bit more research today and I think I'm going to go for a straight swap - replacing my dual-core i3 530 with the above listed quad-core i7 870.
I don't like the idea of overclocking my current processor, and the problems that (could) come with it. Nor do I want to replace my motherboard seeing as I don't need to.

The i7 870 with over £250 (53%) off the RRP is too good to miss.

Infinital-NG - Thanks for the well explained post.

If you're going to replace your processor anyway... Then what is the downside of overclocking to see if you indeed have CPU bottleneck?

It won't "void your warranty" unless you specifically tell customer/tech support that you overclocked the CPU. They can't magically look into the past; unless you decided to go on a suicide run and leave burn marks on the pins.

Buy a replacement cooler, which I suggest anyway if you are going to drop a couple hundred on a processor. Throw it in your PC, leave your case open, OC the processor, and see if there is any change in performance.

The 6870 isn't going to exactly handle everything you throw at it on Max settings. Most games are coded to run on dual core processors (since this is what the majority of the public has).

You haven't exactly told us specifically where you are seeing frame drops (if this is indeed what you are experiencing).

So before you go out buying new hardware... Why don't you trouble shoot? Update drivers, defrag your hard drive, etc.

And I highly suggest you upgrade your motherboard along with the processor.
 
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What PSU do you have by the way?

I recently replaced the generic 220 (or 240?) 'eMachines' PSU with a 500W Alpine PSU because I added the HD 6870.

Currently reading an article about specific overclocking of my i3 530.
Apparently it can easily be overclocked to 4GHz (not that I'm going to go that far). According to another forum I'm a member of, the particular simulator I'm playing at the minute (Trainz Simulator 12) works better with higher clock speeds and only utilises 2 cores, so overclocking is a better way to go...
 
the particular simulator I'm playing at the minute (Trainz Simulator 12) works better with higher clock speeds and only utilises 2 cores, so overclocking is a better way to go...

Ah ok.
I have that for my son.
What is it exactly you are chasing, better FPS? If so you may be beating your head up against a brick wall. I've fiddled with the in game settings for so long it's not funny. On some routes getting a high FPS rate is nigh on impossible, honestly I (and many) think it's bad coding in the game itself.

On some routes I can get good FPS, over 60 but on some it's a real task to reach 30. Pretty much maxed out except the AA settings BTW.

My setup here.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=257670

i5 2500k
Hd 7850

By all means it's not a mega setup but it runs pCars pretty well (better than TS 2012 to be honest).
Give me a shout if have any questions I'll be happy to assist if I can.

Cheers Shaun.
 
Thing is - I have Railworks Simulator 2012 as well (yes, I am bit of a train geek and proud of it :D) which runs superb on my PC. But I just prefer the other game, it's much easier to understand because I've been playing that series since 2004.

I have felt for a while though that I could do with a better processor, and to be honest it'll take something special to convince me otherwise.

I've did a little more searching and found this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0030DUAYU/?tag=gtplanetuk-20

Would that go into my motherboard? This is my current chip:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0030DN1GO/?tag=gtplanetuk-20

The i5 I'm now looking at is an LGA1156 socket, whereas my current chip is just 1156 Socket - doesn't say LGA but what does that mean?

I just want a higher clock speed in a slightly better processor, so please just go along with me on this. I don't want to buy second hand from eBay or anywhere else.
 
Thing is - I have Railworks Simulator 2012 as well (yes, I am bit of a train geek and proud of it :D) which runs superb on my PC. But I just prefer the other game, it's much easier to understand because I've been playing that series since 2004.

I have felt for a while though that I could do with a better processor, and to be honest it'll take something special to convince me otherwise.

I've did a little more searching and found this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0030DUAYU/?tag=gtplanetuk-20

Would that go into my motherboard? This is my current chip:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0030DN1GO/?tag=gtplanetuk-20

The i5 I'm now looking at is an LGA1156 socket, whereas my current chip is just 1156 Socket - doesn't say LGA but what does that mean?

I just want a higher clock speed in a slightly better processor, so please just go along with me on this. I don't want to buy second hand from eBay or anywhere else.

What is your FPS by the way on the game that you say struggles? The 661 will work fine, but without any voltage change on your current CPU, you could get similar performance by overclocking. I still think it is not your CPU that is the problem, more like GPU depending on settings or hard drive (Background tasks?) but we can only know for sure if you tell us the FPS, and also CPU usage.
 
That's the strangest thing - when I press [shift + z] in the game, it won't tell me the FPS.
On the Railworks sim I get anywhere from 40 to 90+ FPS depending on what is on-screen at the time.
I don't know what my FPS is on the sim I'm having difficulties with :(
 
RikkiGT-R
That's the strangest thing - when I press [shift + z] in the game, it won't tell me the FPS.
On the Railworks sim I get anywhere from 40 to 90+ FPS depending on what is on-screen at the time.
I don't know what my FPS is on the sim I'm having difficulties with :(

Download Fraps or msi afterburner. Both have overlays that can tell you your CPU and GPU temps/% usage as well as your frame rate.

You can also get CPU-Z and GPU-Z and have logs recorded of your usage statistics. That way we have something other to go on then what you think is a CPU bottleneck.
 
Thing is - I have Railworks Simulator 2012 as well (yes, I am bit of a train geek and proud of it :D) which runs superb on my PC. But I just prefer the other game, it's much easier to understand because I've been playing that series since 2004.

Sorry my bad I thought you meant Railworks. :dopey:
I'll let the more tech minded around here answer your specific questions to hardware as I'm no expert.
Trains on the other hand I know a bit about. :sly:
*slowy backs out of the building*

That's the strangest thing - when I press [shift + z] in the game, it won't tell me the FPS.
On the Railworks sim I get anywhere from 40 to 90+ FPS depending on what is on-screen at the time.
I don't know what my FPS is on the sim I'm having difficulties with :(

Download Fraps. It will tell you mate.

Edit: Treed twice. :lol:

Happy birthday BTW.

Cheers Shaun.
 
OK. Downloaded FRAPS. Results:

Auran Trainz 2012 (the one I'm having problems with):

On a basic route with not a lot going on on-screen: 8 to 15 fps while the graphics are very dated looking.

Railworks Simulator 2012:

On an expansive route with loads on-screen: 30 to 50fps with superb graphics, almost photo-realistic at times.

I think I'll just give up on the Auran game. Seems to have the same graphics as it did when I bought my first one in 2004 :indiff:
 
Have you tried DirectX mode for Trainz. Change graphics settings until you get good FPS. I think the problem is more to do with the game rather than your system. Are you running latest drivers for your graphics card by the way?
 
Yeah all drivers are up to date. But I forgot about switching to DirectX mode...

Back in a sec :D

EDIT: Yeah that helped quite a bit. Now getting from 25 to 39fps depending on what is on-screen.
Drops to about 15fps when I suddenly switch to a very wide view, but then goes back up to about 25fps+
 
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Any other graphics settings to play with, is there something like FPS cap or something in the settings. I think best thing is to play with it until you get FPS you want. Would be good to check CPU usage though through task manager. See if it is using both cores.

If you still want to upgrade CPU, it is not worth doing a minor upgrade. It is better to get something like the 3570K and new motherboard. Won't cost you much more and cost could be offset with selling your old parts once you upgrade. Then you will have a lot of raw power for any task too.
 
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I've adjusted the max. draw distance from 5000m to 2000m which has seen the FPS go up to between 50 and 60, albeit on a fairly barren landscape.
There is noticeable pop-up, but it's literally 2km in the distance and doesn't ruin the experience at all.

I checked with task manager which said CPU usage was 26%, although I've no idea where it says how many cores are being used.
 
I've adjusted the max. draw distance from 5000m to 2000m which has seen the FPS go up to between 50 and 60, albeit on a fairly barren landscape.
There is noticeable pop-up, but it's literally 2km in the distance and doesn't ruin the experience at all.

I checked with task manager which said CPU usage was 26%, although I've no idea where it says how many cores are being used.

What was CPU usage like with 5000m draw distance?

If you click on processes in task manager, and select the one for Trainz and right click on it and click on set affinity you can see the cores enabled for it. If you click on performance tab, you can see from the graph, if both cores are being utilised, probably the quickest way to check.

Going by CPU usage, it is not taxing your CPU much so it might be GPU being weak point, but it maybe both given the type of game it is.

Anyway, at least you can play the game now at reasonable FPS.
 
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