Changing tyres on a 4WD.

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My mate needs two new front tyres for his Land Rover Disco III but has been told that on a 4WD you should change all four tyres (especially if changing tread pattern/make etc.) instead of just the front as the difference in friction/rolling resistance etc. can wear out the diff faster, or just knacker it completely eventually.

Can anybody shed any light? I don't know anything much about 4WDs, especially something like this.
 
It is an issue, depending on the type of 4WD system. Is the disco a full time 4wd or selectable? It's more the rotating diameter, as having the two axles spinning at different speeds will cause the diff to be constantly moving. If there is a bit of wear on the wheels not being replaced then the wheels will be different diameters.

Of course if it is selectable it doesn't matter. The diffs get a workout when going off road anyway so I doubt it would make that much difference at that low speed. It's the highway speeds where the diff has the potential to be spinning quite quicky that is the problem.
 
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My mate needs two new front tyres for his Land Rover Disco III but has been told that on a 4WD you should change all four tyres (especially if changing tread pattern/make etc.) instead of just the front as the difference in friction/rolling resistance etc. can wear out the diff faster, or just knacker it completely eventually.

We were "told" this at the tire company, but I think it's only a problem for customers with significant variations in tire wear. A 4WD vehicle with 2/32" on one axle and 10/32" on the other might cause issues, but a difference of 2-4/32" likely makes no real difference.

I would imagine this is a bigger deal for 4WD sports cars rather than SUVs/trucks.
 
^That, but also on sport cars I don't think that tire wear is a big factor in it. Probably more with bigger differences (like rim sizes).
 
Yeah, that's why I didn't go with a wider rim in the back like I wanted to, because I would have had to get a different tire and even though it would still be a 17" tire the profile would be different, even if it was minor and I didn't want to wear my diff.

Oh, and the wear I was talking about was if they were substantially worn, as ok some 4wd tires there is a lot of tread, I suspect you could probably go down about an inch in diameter and still be legal
 
Any time I've had my tires changed on my truck I went ahead and did them all at the same time. Much cheaper in the end.
 
I change mine all at the same time, simply because they all need changing at the same time

If yours don't, you're doing something wrong.
Rotate your tires.
 
It's not my car so I'm personally not doing anything wrong.

Thanks for the help guys, I'll pass it on.
 
Via Tirerack.com
Matching Tires on Four-Wheel Drive and All-Wheel Drive Vehicles



The ability of four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles to divide the engine's horsepower between its four tires is especially useful on loose or slippery surfaces such as sand and dirt, as well as on wet, icy or snow-covered roads. However it's important to remember that in order to transfer this extra power, the four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicle's driveline mechanically connects the tires so they work in unison.

Four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles are equipped with additional differentials and/or viscous couplings that are designed to allow momentary differences in wheel speeds when the vehicle turns a corner or temporarily spins a tire. However, if the differentials or viscous couplings are forced to operate 100% of the time because of mismatched tires, they will experience excessive heat and unwarranted wear until they fail.

This necessitates that four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles use tires that are very closely matched. This is because different diameter tires roll a different number of times each mile as a result of the variations in their circumferences. Tire diameter variations can be caused by accidentally using different sized tires, tires with different tread designs, tires made by different manufacturers, different inflation pressures or even tires worn to different tread depths.

As an example of different tire diameters resulting from tires worn to different tread depths, we'll compare two 225/45R17-sized tires, a new tire with its original tread depth of 10/32-inch and a second tire worn to 8/32-inch of remaining tread depth. The new 225/45R17-sized tire has a calculated diameter of 24.97", a circumference of 78.44" and will roll 835 times each mile. The same tire worn to 8/32-inch of remaining tread depth is calculated to be 1/8" shorter with a diameter of 24.84", have a circumference of 78.04" and will roll 839 times per mile. While the difference of 1/8" in overall diameter doesn't seem excessive, the resulting 4 revolutions per mile difference can place a continuous strain on the tires and vehicle's driveline. Obviously, the greater the difference in the tires' circumferences, the greater the resulting strain.

This makes maintaining the vehicle manufacturer's recommended tire inflation pressures and using "matched" tires on all wheel positions necessary procedures to reduce strain on the vehicle's driveline. Using "matched" tires means all four tires are the same brand, design and tread depth. Mixing tire brands, tread designs and tread depths may cause components in the vehicle's driveline to fail.

Mismatched tires or using improper inflation pressures for all-wheel drive and four-wheel drive vehicles can also result in immediate drivability problems. Some Control Trac equipped vehicles in 4Auto mode may exhibit a shutter on acceleration and/or a noise from the front driveline and transfer case while driving. Some all-wheel drive and four-wheel drive vehicles may exhibit axle windup or binding while driving. Some four-wheel drive vehicles (manual or electronic shift) with a two-wheel drive mode may refuse to shift "on the fly" into 4x4 Auto or 4x4 High at highway speeds.

Rotating Tires

Because the front and rear tires of all-wheel drive and four-wheel drive vehicles perform different duties while accelerating, braking and cornering, tire rotation is important to even out, and maintain equivalent treadwear of all of the vehicle's tires to minimize potential driveline stresses.

If the vehicle is equipped with a matching road wheel and full-sized spare tire, they should be integrated into the vehicle's rotation pattern at the first tire rotation. This will allow all five of the vehicle's tires to share in the workload and wear at similar rates. In the event that a single tire is damaged and has to be removed from service, this will allow the tread depth equivalent spare tire to be used with the remaining three tires.

If the spare is not integrated into the vehicle's tire rotation pattern, it will not match the tread depth of the four worn tires on the ground when called into service. Additionally, if a single tire is replaced by the full size spare tire, hopefully the new replacement tire can remain as the spare tire until the other four tires have worn out and need to be replaced.

Replacing Pairs of Tires or Individual Tires

There are several suggestions that have been offered to drivers who are replacing pairs or individual tires on their four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles. Some vehicle manufacturers recommend that all tires maintain the same rolling radius and circumference, while others suggest that all tire circumferences remain within 1/4- to 1/2-inch of each other. Other vehicle manufacturers recommend that all four tires remain within 2/32-, 3/32- or 4/32-inch of each other, or within 30% of each other in relative remaining tread depth.

Regardless of the vehicle manufacturer's recommendations, the least stressful application is when all four tires are the same tire brand, tread design and equivalent tread depth.

Before buying pairs or individual tires for all-wheel drive and four-wheel drive vehicles, drivers should read their vehicle's owners manual or contact the dealer's service department for confirmation of their specific vehicle's requirements.
 
the fronts on my car wear out about twice as fast as the rears but i can get by changing just the fronts only as long as the rears are roughly about half left or less. ive never had any issues or the AWD light ever come on. so usually i would say about a 5/36th difference or less and im good to go. but as a general rul yes depending on how sensitive the AWD system is a great difference in rolling diameter can effect it in a negative way
 
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