chassis reinforcement on f1 or fgt?

[MattZR1]

Should I install this on these race cars? Or do they get undesirable results like I have heard some cars get?

 

[ZeGermanBastorD]

Don't install it on X2010, F '07 & '10 & Formula GT.

Else you have a bunny hopping car in corners.

 

[budious]

Edit: If you want the most up to date setup my FGT tune with Chassis Reinforcement, it's in the link below. I'm not gonna bother trying to keep both up date.

Formula Gran Turismo - A-Spec Formula Gran Turismo Championship (Multiple Course Setups)

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Formula Gran Turismo (w/ Chassis Reinforcement*)

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I have been working on fine tuning the car so I could actually complete the Formula Gran Turismo A-spec event. This tune is provided with multiple sub-configurations for dampers, stabilizers, and tires depending upon the track being raced. I will also continue to update the tune with further track specifics as they become available. If you find other tweaks that can be applied to this tune to account for a specific track, weather condition, or driving input device, then please feel welcome to leave feedback and I will evaluate your additions and contribute sub-tune credits where necessary.

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Purchases:
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+ GT Auto Engine Overhaul
+ GT Auto Chassis Maintenance
+ Chassis Reinforcement*
+ Race Medium Tires
+ Race Soft Tires

Settings:
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* Aero @ 70 / 90
* Power Limiter @ 900HP (for consistency; optional)
* Limited Slip Differential
@ Initial: 19
@ Acceleration: 60
@ Braking: 13
* Transmission @ 242 MPH (unless mentioned elsewhere; my default)
* Fully Customizable Suspension
@ Ride Height: 0 / 0
@ Spring Rate: 17.6 / 17.6
@ Extension:** 8 / 8
@ Compression:** 8 / 8
@ Anti-Roll Bars:** 5 / 5
@ Camber: 1.8 / 1.0
@ Toe: 0.00 / 0.00
* Brake Controller @ 5 / 5
* Tires:*** Race Hard/Medium/Soft/Rain/Intermediate

Notes:
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* Tune(s) may work without Chassis Reinforcement installed but I have not verified it. Since it is a used race car purchase, the chassis maintenance service at GT Auto is also highly recommended.
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** Also, updated to note you can adjust the stabilizers depending on the track. The courses with flatter cornering benefits from lower settings, 4 / 4 or 5 / 5, and the more technical courses can benefit from 6 / 6. Adjust to suite your taste, but I have included my preferences and results on some courses below. If you choose to use stabilizers 4 / 4 then you need to lower compression to 7. So the following should be the three recommended setups, with dampers 8 and stabilizers 5 being a good median for all courses. Times without corner cuts accompanying each setup as used.

@ Extension: 8 / 8
@ Compression: 7 / 7
@ Anti-Roll Bars: 4 / 4
- Cote D' Azur w/ Race Medium - 1:21"
- Fuji Speedway F w/ Race Hard - 1:17"
- Indy Road Course w/ Race Soft - 1:13"
- Monza (Dry) w/ Race Hard - 1:25"
- Monza (Light Rain, Some Surface Accumulation) w/ Race Intermediate (FR) & Race Soft (RR) - 1:40"

@ Extension: 8 / 8
@ Compression: 8 / 8
@ Anti-Roll Bars: 5 / 5
- Cote D' Azur w/ Race Medium - 1:20"
- Suzuka Circuit (Dry) w/ Race Medium - 1:36"
- Tokyo R246 w/ Race Hard - 1:16"

@ Extension: 8 / 8
@ Compression: 8 / 8
@ Anti-Roll Bars: 6 / 6
- Cote D' Azur w/ Race Hard - 1:19"
- Nurburgring GP/F w/ Race Hard - 1:34"
- Tokyo R246 w/ Race Hard - 1:15"

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*** Choosing the right tires for each event is as important as choosing the right option from the suspension options above. Each tire has a distinguishing effect on the handling and often is the case that the Race Hard or Race Medium could post faster and more consistent lap times over those attempted with Race Soft equipped. Consider the available options a matrix of nine; three suspension damper and stabilizer pairings multiplied by three tire options, each with its own unique feel per course. I have attempted to identify the combinations of setups that best suite my driving style and have provided lap times in the section above.

The Race Soft tires can have detrimental effects on handling for some courses. There are two factors at play, extreme grip, and extreme heat generated by the grip. Some of the negative effects come from too much grip reducing turn radiuses until they are too tight and the car actually slows instead of making a fast sweeping turn through the corner as it should. The other factor also has to do with the grip and the resulting heat generated. The game's tire temperature modeling can overload the tire by generating heat through friction at a greater rate than it can be dissipated under some circumstances with Race Soft tires equipped to the extremely high powered and light weight cars featured in the game. These cars being so light and aggressive can overload the tire with constant friction, especially on highly technical courses; the hot Race Softs can not dissipate the heat fast enough and lose grip faster. As a result, I can typically run much more consistent lap times and achieve faster best lap times on Race Hards/Mediums over Race Softs in many instances with the Formula Gran Turismo; so if you are having problems with Race Softs on a particular course try switching down to Mediums or Hards. Zeroing out the toe helped also; I see some tunes adding more but I think the car runs best with none at all.

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[claythrow]

Why does this cause undesirable results? Is there a list of the cars it's no good somewhere? I'd like to experiment...

 

[Shmorgusborg]

The FGT is the only car I've never put reinforcement on. I guess I lucked out with that. I just never thought I needed it and apparently I don't.

 

[willy723]

have 80k miles now on my FGT, havent done the chasis reinforcement on it, was thinking of buying 2 more with similar miles and testing out the difference in feeling with the reinforcement.

 

[budious]

Why does this cause undesirable results? Is there a list of the cars it's no good somewhere? I'd like to experiment...

There are no undesirable results, but there is a change in the underlying suspension physics equation. When you strengthen the rigidity of the chassis you make it more resistant to torsion forces, this requires some softening of the suspension, but once these changes are made lap times generally decrease by 1-3% on most tracks.

 

[aland18]

thanks, was wondering this myself.

is buying one the only way to get the formula gran turismo? I've consulted the GT5 matrix and it looks that way but wanted someone to confirm before I shelled out the money to buy one.

Thanks in advance

 

[phil bell]

How in blue blazes would you structurally stiffen an F1 car with a carbon tub anyway?

 

[Endless-Wilso]

the only car its worked with good success on is my F2007 it seems to only benefit MR vehicles and ruins most FR's on the F10 tho it seemed 2 be a bit more unstable & i didnt notice a diffrence on my X1 if u dont like the resaults of it try running a softer setup seems to help if it negativly effects your car. they need to have a way of removing this from vehicles cuz its a 20,000cr way of potenciely ruining a a multi million cr car

 

[budious]

the only car its worked with good success on is my F2007 it seems to only benefit MR vehicles and ruins most FR's on the F10 tho it seemed 2 be a bit more unstable & i didnt notice a diffrence on my X1 if u dont like the resaults of it try running a softer setup seems to help if it negativly effects your car. they need to have a way of removing this from vehicles cuz its a 20,000cr way of potenciely ruining a a multi million cr car

Try adding or subtracting one damper to either extension or compression from your usual setup. Also, after applying it to formula cars, anti-roll bar at max is probably too stiff, so lower it to at least six.