Chivalry out the window?

  • Thread starter Mike Rotch
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Do you believe in being a "Gentleman"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 50.0%

  • No

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • If it happens, it happens, but I dont go out of my way to do it.

    Votes: 12 40.0%
  • Total voters
    30
Mike Rotch

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Are you a gentleman? Do you believe in chivalry?

I am old school. I believe in letting women go in first through a door, I never swear in front of a woman, I believe in standing up for a woman if she comes into a room, and I am seated, pulling out a chair if they are going to sit down and opening a car door for them - even for my female friends.

I hate making them pay for their share of a meal, but one has draw the line somewhere.

Are any of you the same? Totally opposite?

Talk.
 
i always open, wait, and close the car door when my lady gets in...never swear in front of her...(at least try not to) and i always pull up her chair etc etc...i have a huge respect for females...and mine deserves only the best that i could possibly be for her.
 
I used to be like you Mike but then I gave my head a shake and woke up.

I don't see any women opening doors for me, never did I have a girl say "damn that was a good meal, let me pay", never do they go out of their way for me.

But yet they expect me to do it for them? **** them.

They want equity in life then here's where it begins. You want a door opened for you, well then you open a door for me.

I see it as another way that women use their sex against us to better thmeselves. They get away with it too which piss' me off infinantly. I don't know if it is because there is so many of you gimps out there who fold like a napkin the very second a pretty face commands you to do something or if it is just because every women is a stuck up ***** who whines and cries until they get what they want.

I don't see why they are any more special than I am. Having a set of tits and the ol' axe wound don't make you a god in my books.

Welcome to the 2000's, open your own damn door.
 
Originally posted by Rumple Foreskin
I used to be like you Mike but then I gave my head a shake and woke up.

I don't see any women opening doors for me, never did I have a girl say "damn that was a good meal, let me pay", never do they go out of their way for me.

But yet they expect me to do it for them? **** them.

They want equity in life then here's where it begins. You want a door opened for you, well then you open a door for me.

I see it as another way that women use their sex against us to better thmeselves. They get away with it too which piss' me off infinantly. I don't know if it is because there is so many of you gimps out there who fold like a napkin the very second a pretty face commands you to do something or if it is just because every women is a stuck up ***** who whines and cries until they get what they want.

I don't see why they are any more special than I am. Having a set of tits and the ol' axe wound don't make you a god in my books.

I guess the way I see it is 'Welcome to the 200's, open your own damn door and get me a beer while you're there'
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Yea, I hear the "equality" argument, but as I said, Mike = Olde Schoole.

But, there is a difference between being a gentleman and being a doormat. I aint no doormat, but i do consider myself chivalrous.
 
Originally posted by Mike Rotch
But, there is a difference between being a gentleman and being a doormat.
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I have no problem being nice to a woman. Hell, I opened car doors, I refrained from swearing, I helped seat them, but I only did it when it was not expected of me.

I had a girl get prissy with me before because I didn't open the door of my car for her while picking her up. After she got in and sat down I leaned across her seat and pushed her door open and pointed out of the car and said "here ya go your majesty." If she didn't get out I was going to push her out.

I don't put up with that **** and I don't think anyone should.

Where do you draw the line?
 
Do I believe in chivalry? Yes, but only when a woman is deserving of it.

There are just to many pathetic excuses for a woman out there, and so many that are just not worthy of being treated with that kind of respect. Women are devious and very selfish.

I used to regard women much like Zamataki but as I grew older and a bit more wiser in womanly ways, you learn to use your gentelmanly behavior a bit more carefully.
I will certainly give a woman the benefit of the doubt to begin with, but if she does not extend some common courtesy to me, then I'm definately less inclined to continue any chivalrous behavior towards her.

Seems to me that I have seen/heard "Chivalry is dead" used a lot throughout the media and such, but this isn't true, there are just less women out there deserving of it.
 
If it happens, it happens.

As Boom pointed out, it depends on who I'm dealing with, but I generally treat everybody (male or female) the same way. I'll open doors for people, but it doesn't go much farther than that. :)



-Mark
 
I'm glad to hold doors for people, except for Boom. But thats about as far as it goes. I try to open the car door for females that get into my car but thats about zero or I plan ahead and the door is already unlocked. I've never put my coat over a puddle because 1) I never wear a coat, 2) your nuts if you think I'm going to be cold and wet so you can walk over the puddle rather than taking a step to the right to avoid it.
 
Originally posted by boombexus
Do I believe in chivalry? Yes, but only when a woman is deserving of it.

There are just to many pathetic excuses for a woman out there, and so many that are just not worthy of being treated with that kind of respect.
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That is a perfect way of saying it.
 
I consider myself the 'nice guy'. I'll open any door, pull out a seat, pick up something they've dropped, etc., for an attractive girl. However, if I deem them not worthy of my services, they're going to get door in their face.
 
Originally posted by Rumple Foreskin
I have no problem being nice to a woman. Hell, I opened car doors, I refrained from swearing, I helped seat them, but I only did it when it was not expected of me.

I had a girl get prissy with me before because I didn't open the door of my car for her while picking her up. After she got in and sat down I leaned across her seat and pushed her door open and pointed out of the car and said "here ya go your majesty." If she didn't get out I was going to push her out.

I don't put up with that **** and I don't think anyone should.

Where do you draw the line?
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:lol: Han Solo.
 
I'll open doors for people whether male or female, because I think it's common courtesy.

I tend to curb my language in front of anyone who I deem would be offended by it (see above)

If someone drops something in front of me, I often bend to pick it up for them.

I tend to operate a "rounds" system when paying for meals.

I do all of these things equally for men and women. I'm a great believer in courtesy. I don't think that women should be accorded special treatment, but I compensate for this by maintaining fairly exacting standards generally.
 
Originally posted by boombexus
Do I believe in chivalry? Yes, but only when a woman is deserving of it.

Seems to me that I have seen/heard "Chivalry is dead" used a lot throughout the media and such, but this isn't true, there are just less women out there deserving of it.
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Chivalry has not died, it's just become a bit more selective.
For instance, it used to be rude to let a lady on an elevator first
(that whole "see if it's safe, then I'll get on" thing).

As has been said, I will hold a door for a lady. But unless she happens be my wife, lunch is "dutch", I try to keep "sailor vocabulary" out of my speech most of the time, in front of men and women.

As for car doors, I try to open the door for the wife, but she usually beats me to the car, (especially after church) and then sends me back to round up any "stragglers."

Also, I figure no one but the wife has any "right" to make any type of "demands" for chivalrous behavior. Being a gentleman is something you choose to do. It is not something to be forced on you.
The wife always has special dispensation though. She feeds me, ****s me, and puts up with my ****.
 
Some women are actually insulted by any extension of chivalrous behavior. They see it as sexist. I think many men would be more chivalrous if there were no expectation of rejection.

I'd have to say I'm a lot like Giles. Courtesy and thoughtfullness are important all the time, for all people. I wish more people agreed with that.
 
Huh...? This is Chivalry? *gasp* I never knew. Then yes.. Most parts.. I'm not old enough to go out for dinners and stuff yet.. so no bills for me :D! But.... Opening car doors... letting women go first through doors.. etc.
 
I'm with Giles and Gil. I'm most chivalrous to my wife, because she deserves it but doesn't expect it.

Other people fit that bill to a somewhat lesser extent. I vary my behaviour to match.
 
When it comes to courtesy routines like this, I don't do anything special for women that I don't do for men. I think that it is a sexist act, even though the sexist mentality is usually not behind it.

I've had the door held for me by women and men and I've held the door for women and men. I don't open car doors for people and I never help them sit at a table. It wouldn't make sense. I also don't usually stand when someone enters the room. Sometimes when I need to make it known that I am the person they are coming to see... when I expect to shake hands or something.

I also don't try to hug girls when saying goodbye. I think it's invasive. Not everyone wants to get that close. If she wants a hug she'll let you know.
 
I hol dteh door for old people, and people who look like they have a lot to carry (shopping bags, kids, pushchair etc). I'm only 13, so chivalry isn't top of my list, but manners were imposed by my parents.
 
Well, I do believe in common courtesy, I treat everyone pretty much as an equal when it boils down to it. I general am nice enough to hold the door open or pick something up someone dropped and for the most part I open car doors for women. . :lol: reminds me on Saturday Kristien made a comment to me about not opening up her door after having lunch with her. . . It was kinda funny because I normally get that for her all the time so it was more of a statement to poke fun at me. . . she finds it funny that I do it for her. . . As for paying for things. . . The two of us fight over it. . . I was raised to pay "old School" but I learned a 50/50 balance is well needed. Whenever we go out it is a battle over the bill between the two of us. . . I don't know if it is persay Chivalry, it runs under the guidelines of it but. . . what about the rest?

Chivalry - The qualities idealized by knighthood, such as bravery, courtesy, honor, and gallantry toward women.

I know I have a great sense of Bravery, I kill the spiders for woman, I go do the dirty work that most won't do. I stand down from no challenge or anything that might induce harm on me. Now I am also not stupid because I know when to quit, normally while I am ahead :lol: I hope someone gets that irony. . .

Honor - It is what I base everything I do upon. I do it with the uptmost importance and quality I can. . .

Where is Charisma???
 
Originally posted by Jpec07
I believe in being a gentleman mainly because it's the only way I'll ever get a girlfriend...
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Want to make a bet? I have got way more girls being a jerk than I could ever imagine getting as as gentleman.

'Nice guys finish last.'

Have you not ever noticed people saying "Why is she with him, he's such a jerk?" It's because girls like the jerks. It makes zero sense, but it is true.

Maybe it is because they like a challenge, maybe it is because they like the 'untamed' and 'wild' guys, maybe it's cause they like to be dominated and shown who's boss.

I even think that they could even prove through science that a girls horniness and interest in a guy is directly proportional to how bad they are treated and how big of an asshole he is.
 
I know I have a great sense of Bravery, I kill the spiders for woman, I go do the dirty work that most won't do.
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I don't ignore biology. I'll take care of the heavy stuff and open jars for my wife because I'm better equipped to do it. She does the taxes because she's better equipped to do that. :)

Other things are simply personal preference. She doesn't mind killing spiders (doesn't want to look away long enough to call me... it might get away). I don't mind killing spiders either. I don't like cooking, she does.

I don't think I'm better equipped to open the car door than she is, or adjust her seating position though.
 
Originally posted by Rumple Foreskin
Want to make a bet? I have got way more girls being a jerk than I could ever imagine getting as as gentleman.

'Nice guys finish last.'

Have you not ever noticed people saying "Why is she with him, he's such a jerk?" It's because girls like the jerks. It makes zero sense, but it is true.

Maybe it is because they like a challenge, maybe it is because they like the 'untamed' and 'wild' guys, maybe it's cause they like to be dominated and shown who's boss.

I even think that they could even prove through science that a girls horniness and interest in a guy is directly proportional to how bad they are treated and how big of an asshole he is.
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I know, it seems as though you need to be a self centered prick to get a to be really popular with the ladies. It's really ridiculous, but thats how it goes. Want to get a girlfriend? Play football, make vulgar remarks to girls, and get all touchy feely with them. Constantly talk about sports and yourself, be a dick to unpopular kids, and most of all annoy the hell out of the girls, because then they will start to like you.

As you can clearly see, I have it all figured out, woo.
 
If you want to get a girlfriend, stopping looking for one and start slutting around. . . It was funny I never thought I would meet Kristien when I did, and I find it funny That I was not looking for anything but myself at the time too. . .
 
ok i only do it for a few people. my fiance and my close friend which lives with us those are the only two females i will attempt to make life easier on by doing such things as paying for dinner, helping them to sit and openeing doors for them. I only pay if i invite other than that i pay for myself and thats that.
 
Originally posted by Zrow
I know, it seems as though you need to be a self centered prick to get a to be really popular with the ladies. It's really ridiculous, but thats how it goes. Want to get a girlfriend? Play football, make vulgar remarks to girls, and get all touchy feely with them. Constantly talk about sports and yourself, be a dick to unpopular kids, and most of all annoy the hell out of the girls, because then they will start to like you.

As you can clearly see, I have it all figured out, woo.
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you kind of have to be a "tough guy" to get there attention, but you also have to have a soft side to keep them around.
it all has to do with instinct, a tough guy shows a girl you can protect her, and to be a nice guy shows her that you can take care of children, so a good balance is helpfull...I saw it on TV....and here is a scary fact: it actually has to do with the "time of the month" and changes (which one thay find more attractive) throughout the month based on that:lol:
 
If a woman has something in her hand, and asks nicely, I will help as much as I can. If I see a woman that needs help, I will usually offer. But, usually I treat them like an equal to a man. That's what they fought for, wasn't it? If a woman asks for a door to be opened, or expects it, I give them a straight look and ask, "What's wrong with your hands?"

My wife usually gets treated like a queen, but I ain't p-whipped, or nothing. If she feels strongly about something, I'll agree with her. But, usually, she has no demands or requests.
 
Im what some people would stupidlly call a snag (apparently) but I still try to be as gentlemanly (or is it -menly) as possible and I dont get angry at people, instead I challenge them to a dual (no not really I love fighting). I pay for girls if they let me, Its no big deal cos I usually have enough money not to have to worry.
 

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