Chrysler Wants You To Tell Them Whats Wrong

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Chrysler's "It's a new day" ad campaign has been in full swing for about a month, but very little substance has backed up the slogan. Now, Chrysler has extended a somewhat open arm to consumers and asked what they're looking for in a new vehicle. ChryslerListens.com is designed to fill that communications gap, asking customers (in 1,000 words or less) to tell the automaker's PR department what products they want to see coming from Chrysler.

Beyond a basic form on the home page that allows you to speak your voice (you can also call Chrysler or submit something via snail mail), Chrysler is inviting consumers to join the "Customer Advisory Board," what's being billed as a forum that allows the chosen few 5,000 to submit ideas, get a sneak peak at videos and presentations and generally have their voices heard, if not responded to. The rational behind the forum seems sound, particularly considering that Chrysler is doing its best to cut costs and focus groups aren't cheap. It may also allow Chrysler to get more automotive-aware consumers interested in its products beyond the few people that wander into a focus group looking for a few bucks and some stale pastries. However, we're a little unsure if the tactic will provide Chrysler with what it needs to shape the future of its products and services, considering that the only people likely to sign up are partisan pistonheads who are already married to the Mopar camp or slighted customers looking for a place to vent. If you're interested, sign up and wait the three to four weeks to find out if you've been approved.
 
Dear Chrysler,

You suck donkey balls. You need to drop the hideously heavy LX RWD platform and go lighter. You also need to learn from GM and Ford on how to make an engine or just buy an engine plaform from someone else. You need to clean up your lineup by removing the fat--that being everything but the Charger and the Ram. Make a GOOD hatch, a GOOD econobox, a GOOD midsized car, and a GOOD large saloon car.

Regards,
James
 
Hmm...

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Sucks in every possible way. Considerably worse than the car it replaced (in every possible way).

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Sucks in every possible way. Considerably worse than the car it replaced (in every possible way).

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Is too old to be competitive (but still better than the Caliber, hilariously enough).

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Sucks in every possible way. Manages to be worse than the Caliber. At everything.

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Gets GPM rather than MPG.

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Only manages to suck vaguely less than the Compass. Which obviously isn't enough of an improvement.

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Looks the part (finally), but has the wrong name and but a trick sunroof to its name.

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OMG LOL.

I could go on, but I think I have made my point. Now who do we e-mail about this? jimpress@chrysler.com?




In all seriousness, it is an interesting tactic. I'm sure it will just bring about the same unhelpful response that the GM Saturn Aura campaign did, but I'm not sure whether Chrysler is worried about making their products better or just making it look like they are making their products better. This idea could accomplish both, but it will do the latter far easier and quicker than the former.
 
My guess is that Cerberus is out of ideas and finally decided that talking to people may get more done than randomly shooting their guns off in the breeze.

Among my suggestions:

- Mechanically speaking, they have achieved a fair amount of progress, but the V6 line needs to improve drastically to become more competitive with the rest of the brands out there.

- All of the cars are full of neat, interesting, and otherwise car-selling ideas that many other brands are likely just a bit jealous of. Problem is, the overall quality of the cars absolutely suck, and until they get around to doing the same kind of interior turnaround as GM or Ford, no one is going to take them seriously.

- What it all comes down to is that you have to spend money to make money, and they're going to have to spend a lot more to make that much more. Seriously. Work on it...
 
JCE
You need to drop the hideously heavy LX RWD platform and go lighter.
I don't think that is fair. The Zeta platform is hardly any lighter (and the V8 model is heavier), and considering how large the car is the platform isn't that heavy anyways, comparatively. The CTS, for example, has a hugely heavier RWD car platform in a much smaller car. The LX platform is lighter than the Zeta, and only a little bit heavier than the D3 platform the Taurus sits on. It is a lot lighter than the Panther (though the 300C is much shorter than the Crown Vic), and is lighter than the EA169 (Falcon) too.

I also object to your argument about Chrysler engines. The V6 and I4 lines may be junk, but the V8 twins (the 4.7L Powertech kicks the crap out of the Ford Modular, and the Hemi is still competitive with LS series engines) are excellent.
 
To: Chrysler
From: Joe
Subject: What's Wrong

Everything...and quit devaluing the area I live in.

Sincerely,
Joe
 
I also object to your argument about Chrysler engines. The V6 and I4 lines may be junk, but the V8 twins (the 4.7L Powertech kicks the crap out of the Ford Modular, and the Hemi is still competitive with LS series engines) are excellent.

I (obviously) disagree. Ford chooses to not tune the Modular towards high output. The Modular is still a superior engine in reliability and overall towing. Remember the F150 is "underpowered" compared to the other three but still remains both a leader and competitive dispite having less power. And the Mustang GT is till QUITE brilliant with an underpowered 4.6L. So I call rubbish--the Modular is just fine. I PREFER the 302 but I still love the Modular AND the noise it makes.

To: Chrysler
From: Joe
Subject: What's Wrong

Everything...and quit devaluing the area I live in.

Sincerely,
Joe

+air rep

I love it. :D
 
Tagged for funny replies to Chrysler.

Oh, btw... Chrysler you suck for killing the Viper starting from the Second gen Viper. Oh and a personal FU to lutz, traitor...
 
One of these days I'm going to drive around some of these neighbourhoods and show what Chrysler's mistakes have done to this area. I have never seen so many foreclosed homes or this many people without a job. Out of our family friends about 70% work in the auto industry, out of that 70% I would wager 20-30% are out of a job...and most of them were white collar.
 
Chrysler's biggest problem is interiors. When you sit in an interior that sucks so hard, it becomes a hell of a lot easier to pick out everything else wrong with the car.

The geometry of the interiors and exteriors is just ass-backwards in every way.

Also, I think they need to kill all Jeeps except the Wrangler.
 
Nothing wrong with the Grand Cherokee.
Except reliability.

In my auto technology class, out of the 20 or so cars they own, they have 7 Jeep Cherokees of various years and trims. 1 or 2 actually run, but have other problems.
 
But that has always been a problem with it. I meant the Grand Cherokee is well off due to the nice interior and parts compared to, say, the Dodge Dakota.
 
They keep talking about all of this overlap going on at Chrysler, and they keep talking about how they're going to end it, and then they never get around to doing it. They literally could minimize Jeep down to three vehicles (Wrangler, Liberty, Grand Cherokee) and still be fine. Chrysler could get back to building what they build best, cars (so, ditch the Aspen and the Town and Country... Oh, and bring back the PT in proper form). Oh, and Dodge can just stop being the "everything" brand and just build what people want; Calibers, Challengers, Chargers and Rams. Oh, and the Grand Caravan.

But, Omnis nailed it right on the head: End the epic suck in the interior department and the cars will be much, much better.
 
They keep talking about all of this overlap going on at Chrysler, and they keep talking about how they're going to end it, and then they never get around to doing it. They literally could minimize Jeep down to three vehicles (Wrangler, Liberty, Grand Cherokee) and still be fine. Chrysler could get back to building what they build best, cars (so, ditch the Aspen and the Town and Country... Oh, and bring back the PT in proper form). Oh, and Dodge can just stop being the "everything" brand and just build what people want; Calibers, Challengers, Chargers and Rams. Oh, and the Grand Caravan.

But, Omnis nailed it right on the head: End the epic suck in the interior department and the cars will be much, much better.
I would have to agree...
From my experience with our two current Chrysler products (2004 Durango and a 2006 Ram 1500) the interiors are the only real problems I have with them. Sure everything works and is positioned decently, but the quality of the materials feels uber cheap, and is just massive expanses of unpainted gray plastic with a bad texture. Mechanically the Durango had one problem, the radiator failed and was replaced under warranty. Other than that no other faults from the Durango while the Ram hasn't had any problems.
 
I've never heard of major issues with the newer vehicles, only that the interiors just don't live up to expectations. I think I've shown photos in here in which the interiors look absolutely marvelous. Beyond that, I believe we had a thread in which Chrysler won several awards for their (overall) interior design (not quality).

The simple fact is that spending a few extra dollars for soft-touch plastics can make a world of difference. Compare the new Malibu interior to that of a G6, its absolutely appalling what GM used to be able to get away with. Until Dodge and Chrysler replicate that in the Avenger and Sebring, they're not going to sell any of them. As they are otherwise mechanically sound cars (particularly the 3.5L V6 models), they just fall behind in the parts where people actually care... The interior.
 
They keep talking about all of this overlap going on at Chrysler, and they keep talking about how they're going to end it, and then they never get around to doing it. They literally could minimize Jeep down to three vehicles (Wrangler, Liberty, Grand Cherokee) and still be fine. Chrysler could get back to building what they build best, cars (so, ditch the Aspen and the Town and Country... Oh, and bring back the PT in proper form). Oh, and Dodge can just stop being the "everything" brand and just build what people want; Calibers, Challengers, Chargers and Rams. Oh, and the Grand Caravan.

Chrysler SUVs used to be some of my favorite on the road. The Wrangler has always been one of the coolest SUVs on the road, and one of the best for off-road. Too bad they started messing with extended models, more doors and hard tops to try and jump on the compact SUV bandwagon. The liberty was cool, but didn't really stand out that much aside from being blazingly fast in 4x4 EVO II. Now it's one of their cars that I can't believe they are actually making. I've always though the Grand Cherokee had nice interiors, and actually used to be one of the few SUVs I found I would actually like to own.

Chrysler? I haven't really bothered much thinking about them recently. I didn't go into their section at either auto show this year assuming that there was nothing worthwhile there. The PT has some potential. Fix the Sebring (which should be the single focus of the company right now), give the 300C a refresh without messing it up, make the Pacifica something (Note to Chrysler: The R class sold terribly) and lose the Aspen (What is it?). They should probably keep the Town and Country, although a restyle might be nice. They seem to be best at building minivans, although making them look like Tonka trucks won't help. Your market isn't 8 year old boys.

Dodge was also a decent brand. They have been a bit like the Pontiac role at GM being the "sporty" and youthful brand. The Avenger was a miss. That rental my parents had when they came out and visited had a terrible interior. This would be a good car to re-do at the same time as the Sebring. And maybe they can make it a little more different than the Sebring. Caravan? Didn't this use to be THE minivan? I have confidence that they can probably make good of this car, but again, the sheet metal looks terrible IMO. The Dakota and Durango were cool too, but the new generations just haven't appealed at all. I don't know what to think about the Caliber and Nitro except that the Caliber can probably appeal to the youth. What is the Nitro? I think I've seen three.

I'm almost thinking that they could probably sell their current lineup as budget Plymouths. It seems that Chrysler tries to maintain a higher end image. Let's see those interiors head that way. And separate the brands a little. Putting a new grille and badge on an existing car does not make a new model. I'm also wondering if they should take notes and see how Saturn and the "new" Pontiac fare and consider talking to some European brand. I'm curious as to how America would react to a bunch of rebadged French cars running around.

I guess I used to be a MOPAR fan. They've gone and failed me so much that I really don't care at all any more.
 
The Crossfire was the best thing to come out of Chrysler in ages.. and that was really a Merc!

They should have kept producing it... looked so sweet in its deco style

Oh and the 300C is another good call...

Robin
 
I'm curious as to how America would react to a bunch of rebadged French cars running around.

See Renault 21/AMC Alliance.

Okay, well, actually, French cars aren't THAT bad, (We get some Renault in the Nissan lineup, and no-one seems to notice) and it might be prudent to talk with PSA. Help them develop a RWD V8 luxury sedan, (New Facel Vega?) grab the 407 platform for a new Sebring/Avenger, and get the C4 as a Caliber replacement. Maybe. I really don't know how good those cars are.

I guess I used to be a MOPAR fan. They've gone and failed me so much that I really don't care at all any more.

Kind of where I stand.
 
Okay, well, actually, French cars aren't THAT bad, (We get some Renault in the Nissan lineup, and no-one seems to notice) and it might be prudent to talk with PSA. Help them develop a RWD V8 luxury sedan, (New Facel Vega?) grab the 407 platform for a new Sebring/Avenger, and get the C4 as a Caliber replacement. Maybe. I really don't know how good those cars are.

They might find it good to use bits and pieces from French cars, but rebadging a Peugeot as a Chrysler probably wouldn't fly too well. It would probably be more effective to start a new brand that takes the badges off European cars and puts new ones on. Finding a company that would cooperate would be problematic though.

Kind of where I stand.

Meh. I never really knew I was that into Dodges ect. Although my love for the Corvette and the fact that GM might actually be going somewhere and that Chrysler is going backwards has made me flop over to the GM camp. Honestly, I don't think it would bother me all that much if Chrysler went out of business. All it would mean is no return of the Viper and an even worse Michigan economy, but I already like the Vette and have no plans of sticking around here after graduation.
 
The key to turning Chrysler (or any company) around isn't really about the products. It's about the people. Any discussion that focuses on products alone isn't going to change anything, because in the end, it is up to the people who work at Chrysler to conceptualize, design, engineer, build, test, manage and sell the product.

If the people don't change, the products will never change. This needs to start at the top. I think Nissan is good example of this. It took an outsider to turn them around.

What Chrysler needs is a Ghosn. He (or she) needs to clean house, tell the guys who have been screwing the pooch that they need to go away and take their fail with them. He then needs to find all the talent left in the company and put them in positions of authority and then give them the tools to do their jobs. Then look to Cadillac as a shining example of how to turn a domestic brand around.

I've worked at enough companies to realize it's down to the individuals, not the product or the service. If the people suck, the company sucks. Find good, talented, hard working people and the rest will take care of itself. It sounds simple in theory, but often hard to execute.


M
 
^^^

That, while it sounds like excellent advice, is something you can be certain Chrysler will pretty much ignore. It takes a lot of will to take yourself out of a high position and find somebody better to replace you. They will probably say something like they have the talent but they are asking where to put it.

Although it seems that just by doing this, they are more or less replacing some head dude who calls the shots on what to build and how to fix it and whatnot.
 
They've got Jim Press, he is a wonderful leader, but Nardelli has no idea what hes doing. That is a HUGE problem...
 
That's why Iacocca was so successful. He basically was "It's my way or the highway," and a LOT of people got fired. and it worked.

It's too bad he left. even he regrets doing it.
 
That's why Iacocca was so successful. He basically was "It's my way or the highway," and a LOT of people got fired. and it worked.

It's too bad he left. even he regrets doing it.

Read his book Where Have All the Leaders Gone? he basically says Chrysler is ran by a bunch of morons now days. It's a pretty interesting read. Also I think there was an article sometime last year floating around the auto news sites with Iacocca talking about how much he dislikes the company now because of the moves they've made. He was a great leader, the auto industry needs more people like him.
 
I wish he'd get back into it, but the poor guy's getting too old, really.
 
^^^

That, while it sounds like excellent advice, is something you can be certain Chrysler will pretty much ignore. It takes a lot of will to take yourself out of a high position and find somebody better to replace you. They will probably say something like they have the talent but they are asking where to put it.

Although it seems that just by doing this, they are more or less replacing some head dude who calls the shots on what to build and how to fix it and whatnot.

I agree. People tend to be very set in their ways and have a tendency to support the status quo while paying lip service to things like "change" and "not sucking". Cadillac did this for years until they finally got their act together (remember the Catera?).

I had the 'opportunity' to drive a Dodge Avenger a couple of months ago (it was a service loaner for someone I know). I thought it was a okay car, except for interior design and perceived quality that would shame Kias made 15 years ago. It wasn't terrible, it just reeked of compromise. It's where GM was in 1995. It really struck me as a product where someone said, "**** it. It's good enough".

The bottom line is, "good enough" doesn't cut it anymore. "Good enough" is bottom of the barrel in 2008.

Even if someone said, "its what the price point allows us" or "the core market won't care that much if the price is right", I would say that as long as you have that attitude, your products will continue to personify "settling". And if you make products that say "I'm settling", you will never be the best.

And so long as people make those kinds of decisions at Chrysler, they will continue to scratch their heads and ask "what wrong?" Sit in a Camry or Accord. It says "I cost a little more, but it's worth it". Hell, sit in a Fit. It says "sweet f--ing deal".

It probably sounds like I'm being very hard on Chrysler. I don't mean to. I like the 300. I like the Challenger. The Avenger is not a POS. It's just not great. And if they want to be great, they need to get rid of the people who settle.


M
 
I don't see how your point could be taken as anything but valid. My guess is that even Chrysler understands what they need to do, the thing is, Cerberus has to be willing to spend the money.

The problem is, as they continue to sit on their hands and deliver so-so products, fewer people are going to buy. And when fewer people are buying, they've got less cash on hand to fix those so-so products. They've gotta take the time and spend the money to make things work... So far, its helped GM and Ford quite a bit, but certainly not for Chrysler.
 
The thing I hate is how Chrysler seems to be in the funk of taking older model names that were only in coupe form, and using them on new cars that are now only sedan form; Charger, Avenger, Sebring (was first a coupe then the sedan and convertible were introduced), 300 to name a few.
 
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