Clubsport pedals

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I'm pretty new to the racing sim scene. I just got a CSR Elite and Clubsport pedals. I play on my ps3 and xbox (GT5 and Forza 4, respectively).

I do recognize a difference between both games though when using my wheel and pedals. On GT5, when I push on the accelerator I can feel the vibrations on my wheel and pedal. However, I don't get this on Forza.

Is this normal? Is there something I have to do on my xbox/wheel settings to get it this to work?
 
maybe... I haven't tried it but there are presets that you can setup, up to 5 - you can turn up the ABS and SHO values when connected to your 360 and see if that makes a difference. One reason it may be working with GT5 is you have it setup for that, and hoping over to Forza, it's running different values.

I'm guessing here, but its worth a shot. Not sure there is anything you can set in Forza itself to change this.
 
Thanks for the reply. I checked the settings I don't think that is the problem.

I'm sure there are some people here who played both GT5 and Forza4 on their wheels who can tell me if they recognize a difference.

Basically, does the wheel shake and vibrate when you press on the accelerator when playing Forza 4? At the moment, my wheel only shakes when drifting and on rough terrain. Unlike GT5 which also rumbles when just pressing on the pedals mimicking the feel of a real car.
 
BODHI85
Thanks for the reply. I checked the settings I don't think that is the problem.

I'm sure there are some people here who played both GT5 and Forza4 on their wheels who can tell me if they recognize a difference.

Basically, does the wheel shake and vibrate when you press on the accelerator when playing Forza 4? At the moment, my wheel only shakes when drifting and on rough terrain. Unlike GT5 which also rumbles when just pressing on the pedals mimicking the feel of a real car.
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Actually yes again - but I have it backwards - ABS should be set to off; then you should get the engine vibration in the steering wheel.

If that still doesn't work, try getting the latest firmware which is @ 7.22 currently.
 
^ Correct. You can't have brake vibration(ABS) and engine vibration simultaneously.
Or at least that's how it used to be unless it's changed.
 
Checked my settings and they are the same for both Forza and GTF. My ABS settings are off, yet, acceleration/rpm vibrations only happen in GT5 and not Forza. I'll prlly try to do a firmware update tomorrow and see if that fixes anything. Though, I'm pretty sure this is the latest firmware since it was part of the March shipment from Fanatec.

Now I'm finding something else that I'm a little uncertain about. So from what I understand, with ABS off, I should get acceleration/rpm vibrations. And with ABS on, I should be able to feel the brakes vibrate instead?

Yet, When I turn on my ABS in GT5, the engine vibrations turn off as expected, but I also don't get any vibrations when pressing the brake pedal. Is there something else I should be turning on/off?

Another question, what does ACL stand for in the wheel settings? I took a look at the manuel but I can't find what it stands for.

This is all becoming very frustrating. I'm beginning to regret this purchase.

Btw thanks to those helping me out with this, I prlly should have posted this under the CSRE issues thread.
 
So how does the wheel and pedals perform when racing.

The vibrations in brakes are only felt when impending lockup.

The adjustability of the wheel and pedals are the best feature to me.

I love the combination myself!!
 
ACL stands for Automatic Clutch and is only applicable to Forza games. What it does is links the paddle shifters to the A button on the wheel so that everytime you pull on the paddle shifters, it also presses the A button. You need to have Forza controller settings at default so that the A button is used for the clutch.

This allows you to make faster shifts in Forza by setting the shifting in the difficulty menu to Manual with Clutch. You can then use the paddle shifters to shift without having to depress the Clutch pedal and still get perfect shifts without fear of messing up your transmission.
 
BODHI85
I'm pretty new to the racing sim scene. I just got a CSR Elite and Clubsport pedals. I play on my ps3 and xbox (GT5 and Forza 4, respectively).

I do recognize a difference between both games though when using my wheel and pedals. On GT5, when I push on the accelerator I can feel the vibrations on my wheel and pedal. However, I don't get this on Forza.

Is this normal? Is there something I have to do on my xbox/wheel settings to get it this to work?
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Different games will have different levels of support for your new Fanatec wheel and Clubsport pedals. Some racing games will have full 900 degree support as well as force feedback, some games may have force feedback but only 200 degrees of rotation and some games will support the wheel but you have no force feedback at all.

What I think this scenario is, I don't think Forza 4 supports that vibration feature you noticed. Either that, or they haven't programmed it into the game yet.
 
MSTER232
Different games will have different levels of support for your new Fanatec wheel and Clubsport pedals. Some racing games will have full 900 degree support as well as force feedback, some games may have force feedback but only 200 degrees of rotation and some games will support the wheel but you have no force feedback at all.

What I think this scenario is, I don't think Forza 4 supports that vibration feature you noticed. Either that, or they haven't programmed it into the game yet.
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I'm thinking that is most likely the answer.
I'll keep playing around with the settings to see if anything changes. There is still things I have to learn about this wheel and how to tune its settings. Thanks for everyone's input.

I was getting a little frustrated the other day. But so far, I am really enjoying it. The wheel and pedals are both top notch. I can't wait for the clubsport shifter to come out to complete the package.
 
thechosenwonton
Actually yes again - but I have it backwards - ABS should be set to off; then you should get the engine vibration in the steering wheel.

If that still doesn't work, try getting the latest firmware which is @ 7.22 currently.
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Got a link to 722..? I've only seen 721b..
 
I did a little more reading and gas pedal vibration should work with Forza 4. It is not game specific to GT5.

Is there anyone who could point me on how to update the firmware on my wheel. A step by step guide would be nice.
 
BODHI85
I did a little more reading and gas pedal vibration should work with Forza 4. It is not game specific to GT5.

Is there anyone who could point me on how to update the firmware on my wheel. A step by step guide would be nice.
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if you have the clubsport pedals then vibration works on the brake pedal only.
there is no servo motor on the gas pedal.
if you look at the back side of the brake pedal you can see a small electric motor ( just below the two bolts that mount the pedal plate ).
as for the firmware - there are instruction that come with the download file.
read them carefully and you should be able to install it
 
I have 721b and also no vibration in the wheel when accelerating in FM4 only in GT5.
About the ABS can't tell, because i don't have CSP yet.
IMO it's better without the vibration, the feedback from the FFB and centering spring is enough.
 
Spike125
I have 721b and also no vibration in the wheel when accelerating in FM4 only in GT5.
About the ABS can't tell, because i don't have CSP yet.
IMO it's better without the vibration, the feedback from the FFB and centering spring is enough.
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Thank you! This is actually what I've been trying to confirm.

It is game specific to GT5.

Also, the ABS works. I set it to a lower setting and I can feel it vibrate.
 
Reading these answers made me very surprised..... I feel things very differently from most posters, making me wonder how they came by their info.

My experience is this: Fanatec wheels have rumble motors in the rim, and there is a rumble motor in the brake pedal of the CSR pedals.

The brake rumble works based on the ABS setting inside the wheel: at x % brake force the rumble starts, simulating locking up. The idea is to set it so that you feel rumble when the in game tyres are locking up, which is usually somewhere between 70-85. This is true for both Forza and GT5. Note that if you plug the CSP into a PC and install the plug in, you can get rumble aligned to actual locking up in game, but that feature isn't available in either console.

The wheel rumble can do 2 things: if you don't have CSP pedals it can simulate brake lockup via the ABS setting. It can also simulate engine vibration, but this is controlled by the game you are playing. Forza 4 uses the motors on the wheel to rumble at high engine revs. GT5 doesn't. you can control how powerful this vibration is with a setting in wheel, can't remember exactly which one off the top of my head.

Apart from these rumble motors, there is also the real force feedback motor. GT5 and Forza both use this for steering forces and rumble strips. GT5 also uses it for bumps on the road. Forza doesnt, instead it uses the rumble motors in the wheel rim to simulate some bumps, but most are simply not felt.
 
skazz
you can control how powerful this vibration is with a setting in wheel, can't remember exactly which one off the top of my head.
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I believe it's the SHO (Shock value).
 
ABS off = engine vibrationin wheel
ABS # = %of rake force to cause rumble

One or the other. Can't have both.


At least with the gt2.
 
On a side note, I have a GT2 Wheel and a ps3 but I've never tried GT5 with the GT2. Is the forcefeedback better than Forza? I didnt find it that good in Forza. Of course I don't expect FFB like in Rfactor with the realfeel plugin obviously, but wondering if GT5 is good.

Just wish you didn't have to play GT5 for 5 million hours to actually unlock nice cars =(
 
Franjo
On a side note, I have a GT2 Wheel and a ps3 but I've never tried GT5 with the GT2. Is the forcefeedback better than Forza? I didnt find it that good in Forza. Of course I don't expect FFB like in Rfactor with the realfeel plugin obviously, but wondering if GT5 is good.

Just wish you didn't have to play GT5 for 5 million hours to actually unlock nice cars =(
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Yes, GT5 is a lot of fun through the Fanatec GT2. If you have the option to try it, I'd say give it a go. GT5 might not be quite as good a simulator as the PC sims, but it's certainly decent. The most important thing is to have a good profile set: I use FfB in game at 5 and 100% force on wheel, along with spr and dpr at -3 and drift mode 5, this frees up the wheel nicely and gives the game an excellent feel.

Besides, these days you have the seasonal events which earn you large amounts of cash quickly, so the grind feel has become far less. You can be buying up super cars and race cars very quickly now.
 
skazz
Yes, GT5 is a lot of fun through the Fanatec GT2. If you have the option to try it, I'd say give it a go. GT5 might not be quite as good a simulator as the PC sims, but it's certainly decent. The most important thing is to have a good profile set: I use FfB in game at 5 and 100% force on wheel, along with spr and dpr at -3 and drift mode 5, this frees up the wheel nicely and gives the game an excellent feel.

Besides, these days you have the seasonal events which earn you large amounts of cash quickly, so the grind feel has become far less. You can be buying up super cars and race cars very quickly now.
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Thank you for this amazing response 👍 .
 
Caz
ABS off = engine vibrationin wheel
ABS # = %of rake force to cause rumble

One or the other. Can't have both.


At least with the gt2.
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What he said.

Same with the CSR-Elite
 

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