Cobalt wins time attack?

[Young_Warrior]

First off, we're not talking about win/ratio warrior, we're talking about total wins--I know because I started this whole argument by making the now infamous comment"Chevy is the winningest manufacture" because thats what Chevy claims. 2nd off --maybe that was a joke--the whole not having a link or any numbers part---It would be funnier though if you at least had Porsche claiming it true to back you up---so, go get it

p.s. whoever said porsche races corvettes in these series--that may be true in some--but in the racing series they both particapate in here in America, they are in different classes

Still no word on me being the God Of GM??? i was right about the Limited Slip thing right? or did I read the article wrong?

Well can someone get us a definition of winningest please. If it doesnt matter how many races the manufacturer has competed in and just the amount of races it has won since its existence then maybe chevy could be the most winningest if that is the correct use of the term.

But when I hear some say the most winningest I think of the most succesful.

" It (911) is also regarded as the most successful sports car in history."

http://www.autozine.org/Manufacturer/Germany.htm

 

[xcsti]

I love that leadslead compares jnasty to a fourteen year old, yet jnasty is being pretty civil. Leadslead then proceeds to call him a bull****ter....

I think the corvette vs porsche thing is grand am with non factory c5's but vettes none the less.

Even though you claim that you are only using chevy's statement you still fail to provide proof that they made that claim to begin with.

 

[JNasty4G63]

If anyone honestly believes that BILLIONS-- (you quoted that) of people watch this racing they are making everyone in this room dumber, for having said that

Why, becaue you can't seem to grasp that more people watch it worldwide than NASCAR??? It not news. There are close to 20 races a year, and hundreds of millions of people across the globe watch each one. You can do math, right??? Hundreds of millions mulitplied by 19 races equals billions. Lets see.....

Here's HP's take.....
http://h71032.www7.hp.com/gp/us/en/article.aspx

In 2005 alone, HP's Formula One presence has acted as a touch-point for the HP brand in more than 200 countries, with a worldwide audience at 160 million for each of the 19 Grand Prix.

and the "International Herald Tribune....
http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/03/08/prix_ed3_.php

..... Above all, when the race starts, it will again have a larger worldwide audience than any other form of auto racing.

Shall I go on??? Just because you don't believe it, that doesn't mean it isn't true. Fact is, the worldwide audience of just the Formula One series easilly dwarfs NASCAR. Let alone "all others combined" as you so boldly stated earlier.

with that said yes this is pointless--why? because most of these series don't seem to keep statistics like we do in America--why? don't know don't care--so, If you all really want to figure it out count the races people actually kept track of--but more often than not, those will probly be in America

Oh, right again. No note taking going on overseas. Just because you can't find it, it must not happen, right??? WRONG AGAIN. Here, another link for you to look at in disbelief.

FIA worldwide
http://www.fia.com/sport/Championships/championships2005.html

....And yes Jnasty you DID say Chevy isnt---don't try to Bull-- a Bull---er, I remember what you all(just about) said & the main thought was--no way in Hell.

Show me one time when I said that Chevy absolutlely hasn't won the most. I've said a few times, that there are a lot of races won worldwide, and that its just unlikely that Chevy is the most winningest ever, worldwide. I don't doubt they win a lot here in the states, that they do.. But worldwide, there are lots of other races where you never even see a Chevy. It would take a lot to eclipse that.

YET AGAIN CHEVY SAID THEY ARE THE WINNINGEST--I REPEATED IT--MAYBE THEY'RE NOT---BUT IM SURE THEY SAID IT WITH SOME FORM OF STATS BEHIND IT

So, show us some stats. Not just nonsense, name calling, and anger. Show us stats to back up your claim. I've simply stated my question to the fact. I also don't know a real fact for anyone else. But, I'm not just going to make something up to prove a point. You, on the other hand, can't seem to show anything to backup your claims.

ALSO GRAND PRIX RACING?? IS THAT THE NAME OF 1 SERIES? OR A SPECIFIC STYLE OF RACING? LIKE THE TRANS AM SERIES & GRAND AM CUP & GERMAN TOURING CUP & SO FORTH? I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A KIND OF RACING NOT A SPECIFIC SERIES THERFORE MAKING YOUR CLAIM(ASIDE FROM THE STUPID BILLIONS COMMENT) EVEN DUMBER

When people refer to "Grand Prix" racing, it is the Formula One WC that they usually speak of. And, yes, if you can still do math, we are still talking billions.

Hilg

 

[LeadSlead#2]

I compared him to a 14 year old because he's constantly arguing things I didnt even say--like nascar being the most watched racing--go back to page 5 or 6 wherever I said it--& you'll notice I never said it was the most watched--I said it was watched more than most of these series people are bringin up combined--a lot of them rarely get televised - the american series--& when they do-it's not even on basic cable--let alone broadcast networks so yeah it still is guys---how about you quite trying to change what I say just to prove a point nobody argued??? how bout that?
2nd off--if you watch & deal with Nascar more--you might hear the claim of winningest manufacture more---i just don't care enough to sit here explaining & showing you every bit of crap you don't know--find it yourself!
also if the cobalts cant come with lim-slip, how did Motor Trend have it back in may??? how did R&T have it in september???--good luck with that--maybe they pre-made all the 05's on lots & if you order one you won't be able to get it until 06' -- it's common to have to wait for new cars for a few months

 

[skip0110]

2nd off--if you watch & deal with Nascar more--you might hear the claim of winningest manufacture more---i just don't care enough to sit here explaining & showing you every bit of crap you don't know--find it yourself!

We already ascertained that they are the most winning in NASCAR, but that's not what we were discussing, nor what you said...

also if the cobalts cant come with lim-slip, how did Motor Trend have it back in may??? how did R&T have it in september???--good luck with that--maybe they pre-made all the 05's on lots & if you order one you won't be able to get it until 06' -- it's common to have to wait for new cars for a few months

The magazine cars are from preproduction runs, from late in the development cycle. At the point that the cars are built, the option lists haven't been nailed down. So sometimes they come with a combination of options that you can't get in production.

 

[JNasty4G63]

i just don't care enough to sit here explaining & showing you every bit of crap you don't know--find it yourself!

There it is. The last gasp for air of his lame point. You can't find it, can you??? IF you could, its a simple thing to post a link. But, hmmm, now we have to do it ourselves??? Sounds like someone is dealing with a lack of info.

I'll say it agian, as I have 48 other times. If you REALLY do have a link to where Chevy has said that they were the "Winningest Brand In All of Motorsports Worldwide", I'd love to see it. You seem to "know" where this is since you refer to it quite frequently, so just share. I have a feeling we won't be seeing a link, though. Just a hunch.



Hilg

 

[194GVan]

I think the point here is that nobody can really prove anything about which manufacturer is the "Winningest Brand In All of Motorsports Worldwide". Theres just too many factors to take into account, like which types of races each one even participates in for one thing.

 

[eliseracer]

Here I am to represent my own fanboy rights.

Lotus has not had the most wins, but have been arguably the most influential company in Motorsport (Colin Chapman was said to be the most influential man in motorsport, said by Lotus themselves, but they've changed their website since then, so I won't bother), and I'm sure that other people can agree with me on that. And yes, they've had their share of banned cars, and they're not American.

I also find it strange that nobody has mentioned that Lotus Engineering had a huge hand in the tuning of the Cobalt's (the one mentioned in the first post) engine, something that GM themselves neglected to say in their press release.

I'll set an example, and post a source for my quote (excerpt from entire Group Lotus PLC press release):

Lotus Engineering provided calibration and engineering expertise to help maximize the performance potential of the base supercharged 2.0L ECOTEC engine in the Cobalt SS

 

[Joey D]

Anything else you would like to clear up guys? Blazin? GM Mechanics? I'm retarded? I don't know what i'm talking about? 1300$? they said 1500$--Blazin. Or, do they not know what they're talking about? do you know better than people who test-drove the car? I own that issue--September 2005 so yeah.....I also own a May 2005 Issue of Motor Trend with a comparo of the Neon & Cobalt as well----guess what? they had lim-slip to!!!! 1500$ for them to!!
does Blazin REALLY work for GM? i doubt it, but maybe, we'll see
I really do LOVE being right & making people eat their own obnoxious words!

I have the brochure for the 2006 sitting in front of me since I got it from work today and I am wrong, you can get LSD installed as a GM accesory on the Cobalts. But its just like a GM performance part, its not offered in a Competition Package yet, it says Spring of 06 is when it will be offered. So I was sort of wrong, you can get it but you can't order it like it.

The package in the Saturn Redline is $1,375.00 which I will assume means it will be the same price on the Cobalt. The LSD kit from GM might be more, I don't know, not am I going to find out.

Do I know better test drivers then the Moto Trend? Yes. I know the guys who do testing on Z06 Corvettes along with many other cars at the Milford Proving Grounds.

Do I work for GM? Yes and no. I'm techinally a contractor from Troy Designs, but GM pays me and I work at the Warren Tech Center. However I'm quitting the internship after Christmas so I can get my college degree. Taking 4 credits a term is killing me.

Do I have to prove it to you? No, because I'm not showing you my pay stubs because that is none of your business. I legally can't show you my ID, and well I not losing my internship because of some little bastard.

Sorry it took me so long to answer, I had to work for a living today and I had a business dinner tonight.

Hey are you sure that's correct, Blazin? Because I've seen a commercial for the G6 Coupe and it had rear lights similar to the Solara's.

I got the platform stuff from my own head and they checked it with www.gminsidenews.com to make sure. Thats how I found out about the BLS.

Still no word on me being the God Of GM??? i was right about the Limited Slip thing right? or did I read the article wrong?

I think I would be the God of GM on these boards, everyone knows that I'm a die hard GM fan and will fight for it whenever I can. But listen, I know when to give up. Chevy and GM for that matter isn't the most winnigest brand in racing. Trust me. Mayb in American Racing but in the world the AREN'T.

Also I think you should re think bad mouthing JNasty. Me and him have gotten into it before and have kept it friendly. But we aren't stupid and we know when each other is right and when to bow out. I think you should do the same.

They redesigned them recently? I dont really keep up with new car styling until I see them on the road, but I love the looks of the Vue Redline. That thing is sweet, I would consider trading my Van in on one.

Uhhhh God yes. This is what happened...

Before:

After:

I really dislike the new stylin on the thing. Before it looks decent, now its just fugly like the Colorado.

maybe they pre-made all the 05's on lots & if you order one you won't be able to get it until 06' -- it's common to have to wait for new cars for a few months

The wait on a Cobalt SS Supercharged right now is 8-10 weeks if you order one, and you'll pay $1500 - $3000 over MSRP for it.


So uh what else do you want to know?

 

[NSX-R]

A not-so-close friend of mine told me that GM's preparing for an AWD, Compound-charged Cobalt to compete with WRX, R32 and whatnot... I don't really believe him, but since you are an insider, could you tell me if GM's really doing this?

 

[Joey D]

Yes GM is planning this for 2008, whether it happens is another story. But there are rumors and plans floating around for it. Plus GM will be offering a 2.4L 265hp Turbo engines in the AWD Cobalt SS.

GM wants to get into AWD, but they need to start somewhere, might as well make an AWD sport compact. Plus look at the market, you have R32, WRX, and thats pretty much it. So they have a good shot at doing well.

 

[JNasty4G63]

I think I would be the God of GM on these boards, everyone knows that I'm a die hard GM fan and will fight for it whenever I can.

*cough*fanboy*cough*



j/k

Also I think you should re think bad mouthing JNasty. Me and him have gotten into it before and have kept it friendly. But we aren't stupid and we know when each other is right and when to bow out. I think you should do the same.

Thanks BX. Your exactly right. There is a difference between a discussion and just nonsensical bashing.

GM wants to get into AWD, but they need to start somewhere, might as well make an AWD sport compact. Plus look at the market, you have R32, WRX, and thats pretty much it. So they have a good shot at doing well.

Rumor is, the MkV R32 isn't coming to the States. No official word, but I've heard a few places that it might not come. The first one never sold that well anyway, so I'm sure we aren't a priority anyway.

And, don't forget the Evo. Plus, the new Dodge Caliber SRT is rumored to be coming in AWD as well. And, depending on how wide you stretch the target "market", you also have some lower Audis and Volvos. But, yea, in the "Sport Compact" AWD market, it really is just Suby and Mitsu right now.

So uh what else do you want to know?

Where do babys come from???

Hilg

 

[Joey D]

Rumor is, the MkV R32 isn't coming to the States. No official word, but I've heard a few places that it might not come. The first one never sold that well anyway, so I'm sure we aren't a priority anyway.

I mean what about 30 grand for a Golf? I can see where people would get a little turned off from buying one. But never the less they are cool cars. A guy on my college campus has a blue one with the license plate "R32" and a 'Ring vinyl in the rear window. Cars pretty nice, he took me for a ride it it, but I can say I wasn't overly impressed.

And, don't forget the Evo. Plus, the new Dodge Caliber SRT is rumored to be coming in AWD as well. And, depending on how wide you stretch the target "market", you also have some lower Audis and Volvos. But, yea, in the "Sport Compact" AWD market, it really is just Suby and Mitsu right now.

I can't put the Evo or the STi into that markert because well they are way to friggen fast. That's why I said a WRX, even when Cobalt owners heard about the new upgrades they still said an STi or EVO would walk it. And I'd believe it, I've been in an STi and sweet merciful crap it was fast as hell. Never been in an EVO though.

But I would say Cobalt SS AWD's main competition will be the WRX, the Caliber if they make it AWD, the R32 if it comes state side, and that will about do it. But I doubt the R32 is coming state side, and I know the GM wants to completly slaughter the Caliber in their new design. But I think they will have a hard time getting Subby's level of preformance now that GM has lost Subaru.

I'll be excited when it comes out, or if it comes out. The 2.4L Turbo will be from the Soltice GXP/GTP/GT whatever the hell they are going to call it. The AWD system as far as I know will be a new design, which WILL be problimatic at first. I promise problems. But once everything gets running smoothly, it will be sweet as hell.

The days of AWD turbo power are coming back and they are going to be sweet....errr wait I think you already know the coolness of the AWD turbo power JNasty .

Where do babys come from???

Well when to people love each other very much.....

 

[LeadSlead#2]

there you go again Mr. Nasty--saying things I never said again--read more, if youre going to respond---I can't leave this forum till I laugh about you guys be so sensitive---you guys can say whatever you want--bastard, retarded, all your little laughy faces, & I say one little thing comparing someone to a 14 year old & now we're upset? that's funny.
Fact is Mr. Nasty has done nothing this whole time but Take things I said & twist them over & over & over---he's never going to convince me I said them----I don't know what his plan is....it's all typed in back there....it's not like we forgot it & now it's gone....yet he still tries....
That is unless someone can quote me saying "Chevy is the winningest manufacture in worldwide motorsports & I can find it on the internet"---I certainly don't remember saying it

OK, good luck with that guys--
by the by--I'm not the God of GM---I'm the God of all CARS!!!

 

[xcsti]

there you go again Mr. Nasty--saying things I never said again--read more, if youre going to respond---I can't leave this forum till I laugh about you guys be so sensitive---you guys can say whatever you want--bastard, retarded, all your little laughy faces, & I say one little thing comparing someone to a 14 year old & now we're upset? that's funny.
Fact is Mr. Nasty has done nothing this whole time but Take things I said & twist them over & over & over---he's never going to convince me I said them----I don't know what his plan is....it's all typed in back there....it's not like we forgot it & now it's gone....yet he still tries....
That is unless someone can quote me saying "Chevy is the winningest manufacture in worldwide motorsports & I can find it on the internet"---I certainly don't remember saying it

OK, good luck with that guys--
by the by--I'm not the God of GM---I'm the God of all CARS!!!

Did we get upset about you calling him a fourteen your old? Jnasty defended himself but didn't seem huffed, I pointed out an odd part of your arguement.

So maybe you're twisting our words?

 

[194GVan]

[OFF TOPIC]

Uhhhh God yes. This is what happened...
I really dislike the new stylin on the thing. Before it looks decent, now its just fugly like the Colorado.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I have seen that before, but not on the road thank God! You sir, are a disgrace even comparing that to the Colorado. The Colorado looks 100x better than the new Vue. I love the new edgy styling on the Silverado though.

[/OFF TOPIC]

 

[JNasty4G63]

....bastard, retarded, all your little laughy faces, & I say one little thing comparing someone to a 14 year old & now we're upset? that's funny.

Who ever said I was upset??? And whats with the name calling again??? I just think it funny how you claim to know all this stuff as fact, but yet, when we ask to see where it says this as fact, you can't provide the proof. Thats all. We have all just been discussing who we think might be the most winningest. But, you say for a fact that you know its Chevy. If so, prove it and we can end all the argument. If not, just stop with the blabber.

Fact is Mr. Nasty has done nothing this whole time but Take things I said & twist them over & over & over---he's never going to convince me I said them----I don't know what his plan is....it's all typed in back there....it's not like we forgot it & now it's gone....yet he still tries....

I've done nothing of the like. You've said baseless things, and I've simply corrected. You said Chevy is the winningest. I disagreed, said that I believe Porsche is. Until we know for sure, I'm still sticking with them. No twisting, just disagreement.

You said I'm not a golf professional, and was a 14yr old with a brother and I liked his car. I corrected all that. No twisting there, just corrections.

You said that NASCAR "has a bigger fan base & audience--no matter how gay you may call it-- than MOST all other series combined". You boldly stated it was bigger than all combined, but then when I showed you how much F1 dwarfs it, you go back and edit it and say its bigger than "MOST" series. Sneaky, but not going to cut it. Edits get you no where. No twisting there, just a correction, followed by an edit by you.

That is unless someone can quote me saying "Chevy is the winningest manufacture in worldwide motorsports & I can find it on the internet"---I certainly don't remember saying it

Ok, here you go....

.....need we remember that Chevy is the winningest nameplate in racing's history?

Theres one....

....you can keep betting on whoever & thinking maybe these guys, or, go get an actual solid fact-based opinion!

Nope, haven't seen any solid facts yet.....

I HAVE SOMETHING TO BASE AN OPINION ON--NOT YOU--I DO--CHEVY CLAIMED IT AND NO OTHER COMPANY ARGUED

What is it you base this on??? We still haven't seen it.....

.....I made a statement based on what a manufacture said--everybody argued based on even less no manufactures statement's no nothing--if you argue-you're supposed to have an argument

Um, still waiting for this statement to appear somewhere......

Well, now we'll just wait for you to drop some more name calling, anger, and blather, all while never proving anything. Once more, for the 72nd time, if you really do have some links or actual facts to prove this, just show it, and we'll all understand. If not, its useless.

Hilg

 

[LeadSlead#2]

I take it calling you Mr. Nasty is name calling? I do believe there were some names thrown my way--but I don't care--i'm not that sensitive
anyway--that's clever saying I edited it--you really think you're gonna make me believe that? thats your most pathetic attempt yet--like I said, all you do is try to twist it around for an argument against things nobody ever said, I'm sorry if you remembered it wrong, well, no not really, that's your problem, not mine.
Also, like I've said before and this is the last time--I never said I saw it on the Internet!(originally)--Ive seen things come up saying that when I searched, but that's not where I got it from---SURPRISE! I don't live on the Internet! I hear a #ell of a lot more off the net than I do on it

NOTE THIS: WHEN A BMW DRIVER WINS A RACE, WHAT DOES HE SAY? DO THEY PAY HIM TO SAY IT? MAYBE OTHER MANUFACTURES PAY THEIR DRIVERS TO SAY THINGS PRAISING THEIR COMPANY TOO.....I DONT PERSONALLY KNOW ANY GM REPS, & I GENERALLY DON'T SEE THEM ON TV...SO, NO I HAVENT HEARD A GM SPOKESPERSON SAY THIS DIRECTLY---I ALSO DIDNT HEAR A GM SPOKESPERSON SAY THAT YOU COULD GET LIMITED-SLIP--GUESS WHAT? YOU CAN..........SO GET OVER IT ALREADY & MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE--CAUSE FRANKLY, I DON'T CARE IF JACK DANIELS IF THE WINNINGEST DRIVER-----I'M OH SO SORRY I REPEATED SOMETHING I HEARD-----DIDNT KNOW I'D HAVE 60 PEOPLE SUPPOSE I WAS WRONG AND ARGUE--WITHOUT PRESENTING FACTS, YET DEMAND THAT I DO---DO I NEED TO PRESENT FACTS TO SAY THAT NASCAR IS THE MOST COMPETITIVE FORM OF RACING IN THE WORLD BY FAR? GUESS WHAT? I'M NOT GONNA
P.S.---I DON'T EVEN LIKE NASCAR--EINSTEIN

Guess I should clear this up to----the whole bastard, retarded--mark WERE THINGS YOU GUYS SAID ABOUT ME--NASTY hence my point about the hypocrisy here---though it was funny how you started right at the names--maybe your hoping other people won't notice what I said before it??--your a joke

 

[Joey D]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I have seen that before, but not on the road thank God! You sir, are a disgrace even comparing that to the Colorado. The Colorado looks 100x better than the new Vue. I love the new edgy styling on the Silverado though.

I honestly think GM can't design good looking trucks, but the GMT 900 line up looks pretty good. If you haven't seen the pictures they are in the GMT 900 thread in my sig.

ALSO DIDNT HEAR A GM SPOKESPERSON SAY THAT YOU COULD GET LIMITED-SLIP--GUESS WHAT? YOU CAN..........

Guess what? My boss, a guy that work for General Motors North America told me that you can't get the competition package on the Cobalts untill Spring 2006. I guess he might not be a good GM spokesperson though.

Also my boss doesn't even think Chevy is the winningest name in racing, his guess was Lotus but he wasn't sure.

 

[Driftster]

Oh i'm sure somewhere in the world there is a LSD that will fit in the cobalt tranmission..As of right now

They have a LSD in GM performance for the cavalier that will work with your Cobalt..and since it's GM I'm sure a dealership will install it and it won't void warrenty..

but on the Build a Cobalt..

you can only get the "performance package" which is the LSD and seats..and some other stuff..

for the 06 cobalt SS..not the 05

 

[LeadSlead#2]

I don't care how you get it--I'm saying you can get a brand-new Cobalt with lim-slip--whether the dealer installed it or the factory, I don't care--it still costs the same, so what's the diff?

 

[Driftster]

What's the diff?
A little thing called factory warrenty..

That's the difference..
Dude I can go buy a Mustang with a big block ford in it..
Does that mean "Hey, 91 mustangs come with big block ford"...No....

Next time word your statements a little better.

You can get a 2.2L head for the Ion redline..but does the ionredline come with a 2.2L head? nope.

 

[Tornado]

But I would say Cobalt SS AWD's main competition will be the WRX, the Caliber if they make it AWD, the R32 if it comes state side, and that will about do it. But I doubt the R32 is coming state side, and I know the GM wants to completly slaughter the Caliber in their new design. But I think they will have a hard time getting Subby's level of preformance now that GM has lost Subaru.

I don't know about that. I think the R32 will probably cost too much to be a Cobalt competitor.
I'm also not sure if it would have made any difference as to whether GM losing Subaru would have made any difference. I don't believe they ever used any Subaru parts besides what was in the Saabaru. Of course, the technical expertise would have helped, but could GM have bolted any WRX parts onto this proposed Cobalt AWD?

 

[Joey D]

I don't care how you get it--I'm saying you can get a brand-new Cobalt with lim-slip--whether the dealer installed it or the factory, I don't care--it still costs the same, so what's the diff?

One is installed in Lordstown, OH and one is installed at the dealer where the car was bought.

I don't know about that. I think the R32 will probably cost too much to be a Cobalt competitor.
I'm also not sure if it would have made any difference as to whether GM losing Subaru would have made any difference. I don't believe they ever used any Subaru parts besides what was in the Saabaru. Of course, the technical expertise would have helped, but could GM have bolted any WRX parts onto this proposed Cobalt AWD?

I would guess a Cobalt AWD would cost more, but you are right the R32 would be a lot more. Aren't they like 30k or something?

But I'm sure GM will be able to make a decent AWD platform, because now that they don't have Subaru, they will need to make AWD for the Saabs if they want to stay competitve.

BTW, I made you sig...thats cool 👍

 

[LeadSlead#2]

driftser, someone in here just said it doesnt void you're warranty-----also it's a GM performance package they install--hardly the same as swapping engines--word it better

Does JNasty realize that at the bottom of each post it says when it was last edited?? I can't find the post he's saying I changed but I'll bet him his 5 cars it wasnt edited after he misquoted me--Again. care to take that bet Nasty?

 

[Driftster]

Lead...
I said it was a GM performance package they install...but like I said it's only avail on 06..which completely agrees with what blazin's been saying this whole time....

It will be sold in spring of 06...

The site let's you build a 05 cobalt or a 06 cobalt..

only the 06 SS has the option for that package...

read leadsled reeaaad.

 

[Joey D]

If something is installed by the dealers typically it will not void your warrenty, and if its a GM part it really won't void your warrenty. But it might not be COVERED under a warrenty.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

Blazin really doesnt seem to be argueing that GM dealers will install it,--more important, however, why would someone order an 05 through their site now? 06's should be out by now--everybody else has 06's out--so I'm not sure why your looking through their site at 05's--either way....if they can ship you an 06 with it, they can ship you an 05 with it. they sent 2 to magazines, one way or another, didnt they?

 

[Tornado]

Blazin really doesnt seem to be argueing that GM dealers will install it,--more important, however, why would someone order an 05 through their site now? 06's should be out by now--everybody else has 06's out--so I'm not sure why your looking through their site at 05's--either way....if they can ship you an 06 with it, they can ship you an 05 with it. they sent 2 to magazines, one way or another, didnt they?

You get massive rebates on unsold, previous model year cars. And of course they sent 2 to magazines. Magazines usually do try stuff before the general public does.

 

[Joey D]

Blazin really doesnt seem to be argueing that GM dealers will install it,--more important, however, why would someone order an 05 through their site now? 06's should be out by now--everybody else has 06's out--so I'm not sure why your looking through their site at 05's--either way....if they can ship you an 06 with it, they can ship you an 05 with it. they sent 2 to magazines, one way or another, didnt they?

If you build an 06 Cobalt the Performance Package isn't offered yet. And you don't order a 05 Cobalt, you build it then search dealers to find one. And if you were listening to me back a few pages you would realize the there is an 8-10 week wait for the 2006 Cobalt SS Supercharged from the factory, also its 1500 - 3000 over MSRP. The 05 Cobalts don't have any of that.