Cobalt wins time attack?

[LeadSlead#2]

well magazines do get cars first, your right. what your not seeming to understand is that these were both '05 Cobalts--you can read the article--Motor Trend also did it way back in May...I'm sure they have the whole article online as well
maybe GM did just give them lim-slip...or maybe they had a dealer install it,..(i doubt that though) either way, they should have clarified (& they almost always do) if the public can't get it yet, or till '06---GM is notorious for botching every good release they ever have in one way or another--except maybe vette's--& once they get it right, nobody's interested anymore, they're tired of the bull----

 

[eliseracer]

Does JNasty realize that at the bottom of each post it says when it was last edited?? I can't find the post he's saying I changed but I'll bet him his 5 cars it wasnt edited after he misquoted me--Again. care to take that bet Nasty?

That function doesn't always work. Sometimes it just doesn't show the italics at the bottom. There I just did it.

 

[JNasty4G63]

....DIDNT KNOW I'D HAVE 60 PEOPLE SUPPOSE I WAS WRONG AND ARGUE--WITHOUT PRESENTING FACTS, YET DEMAND THAT I DO

Thats because you are the only one claiming to know something that you say is fact. None of us can even find a real stat to officially say anything, so we're just discussing it. As you see, most of us disagree with you. Some say Porsche, some Ferrari, some Lotus. But, we don't have any proof of those, so we don't claim to know it as fact. But, you do claim to know it is fact that Chevy is the winningest, but have nothing to back it up.

I don't see how you can think we are out of line asking for proof???? If I said I know for a fact that Hyundai was the winningest brand, I would expect people to question that and ask for proof. If I didn't have any, its just speculation and hypothesis.

But now, its not about the "searches" you did that showed Chevy as the winningest. Its that you read it or heard it somewhere. Amazing how it changes when you get asked for proof. You originally eluded to searches that showed this. You even said it was right in front of me, saying I need glasses to see it. But now, its not, because its just something you know, not something a link will prove. Convenient.

Thats the whole point of this entire 200+ posts. We were all just having a discussion about the Cobalt running a race. That was all going fine. Then, you step in and boldly claim something. I won't speak for everyone here, but I know for a fact that I never said you were lying. I just wanted proof of your supposed fact that Chevy was the winningest brand. Thats all.

I disagree with it, but I never said flat out it wasn't true. I have no fact to prove the contrary to it, thus the reason I want proof. Like I said, if you could prove this, it would end all the discussion. But, as of yet, you've done nothing of the sort. So, until you have some way of proving it, we won't believe you.

Thats nothing against you, thats just logic. Like I said, what if I claimed that Hyundia was the winningest??? No one would believe me. No matter how much I said I know it to be true, it still wouldn't change the fact that I can't back it up. We still have no form of any proof to show what you say IS fact. Change that for us, and its over and done.

Hilg

 

[LeadSlead#2]

Nasty, it's already over. nobody cares anymore, we all realize that this is something that will likely never be counted, as no one even knows which races should count....
If chevy did count races, I would imagine they only counted the biggest, most televised series---races where manufactures participate

elise racer--if there's nothing under a post saying when it was last edited, that means it was never edited

 

[Joey D]

elise racer--if there's nothing under a post saying when it was last edited, that means it was never edited

That's wrong, you can edit posts and not have that come up. Its a glitch in the system, it happens all the time.

And yes we do care, I want to know what the winningest name in racing is with soild proof.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

I've never seen it not say when I edited a post--but if it makes you happier, clinging on to a lost, useless, hope, then feel happy, maybe I changed it & it just magically picked that one to not say I edited it---good luck with that
It is sad how now all the better things you guys try is saying i'm changing my posts...& you all wonder why I say your immature...n/m

if you still care so much, go find your proof---you won't though, because people will still always argue as to what series count & what series don't---again, good luck

edit:::
check it out--it's there!

 

[JNasty4G63]

Nasty, it's already over. nobody cares anymore

No, it never started in the first place. You brought it up originally, and after all this mess of 250 posts in this thread, you never got anywhere close to actually proving you know anything about anything. If anyone does have any solid, factual proof of who does have the most wins, I'd love to know. But, until that happens, I'll just imagine these last 200 or so posts never happened, and continue to talk about the Cobalt, which this thread was originally started for.

Back on topic, has anyone heard about what Chevy is going to be racing this thing in??? On Motor Trends SEMA page where they mention this car, they talk about Chevy racing it in a Time Attack at Buttonwillow in a few days. Anyone know what race this is??? Who else is going to be there. I love time attack. No classes, just a track and a clock. Go fast, or lose. I like it. It would be cool if there would be more of it shown or televised.

Hilg

 

[svtsnake]

you know what the point is here? If I showed you a list of all kinds of races worldwide & it didnt have 1 series you thought should be included, you'd want to say it didnt count, so quite frankly--you're never gonna know in your mind--more importantly--570 wins in Nascar IS a big deal--why? because that's 10 wins a year for 57 year- or - wait. that'd be 5.5 wins a year since 1900---in one series alone how about NHRA? IHRA?--fact is, ( so far nobody's argued this)-(so here comes a new argument I'm sure) these american racing series host FAR FAR more races per year than all your favorite european series do--why? beacuse they have an audience--that help support it--a big one. You see NASCAR has a bigger fan base & audience--no matter how gay you may call it-- than MOST all other series combined and if you don't think Chevy's claiming to be the winningest name in Motorsports (not just Nascar--I said Motorsports) you really need glasses--it'll probly help you golf game to---because I found about 8 sites on the first page alone that said Motorsports, not nascar.
motorsports are worldwide--by the way--it's actually self-explanitory that's why you won't see it defined-- almighty one that needs facts but doesnt have to present them.
all I said was what Chevy is claiming and still no company argues---(you seem to neglect that point so I'll point it out yet again

p.s. please excuse me saying you might be 14--that's just the age you come across as, & o yeah, thanks for saying you have 5 cars--now you're more important to me & the whole world--seriously, I gained respect for you when you tried to impress me with money
got any pics of these cars in your driveway? wouldnt it be funny if you found out that my real name was Steve Millen? you do recognize the name, right?

oh crap, now I have to edit & put more crap here
SVTSnake, I realize you probly like Mustangs & or Ford, but they don't even have as many wins in nascar--the one statistic we can find
HEY! THAT'S A GOOD POINT! IN AMERICA, WE KEEP STATS LIKE THIS SO WE HAVE NASCAR DOWN, NOW LET'S ALL TRY & FIND OTHER SERIES STATS LIKE NHRA & LEMANS & TRANS AM CUPS & ANY OTHER SERIES LIKE JGTC & EVERYTHING WE CAN FIND! IT'S EASY FOR NASCAR SO THESE OTHER SERIES SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE RIGHT? LETS FIND IT! ANY RACES THAT WON'T LET OTHER COMPANY'S PARTICAPATE DO NOT COUNT--I.E.,FERRARI CHALLENGE--CORVETTE CUP, RACES LIKE THIS DON'T COUNT AS NOT ALL MANUFACTURES HAVE THESE

well lets see how many wins does gm have in Formula 1? Rally? BTCC?
thought so. 💡

 

[svtsnake]

No, it never started in the first place. You brought it up originally, and after all this mess of 250 posts in this thread, you never got anywhere close to actually proving you know anything about anything. If anyone does have any solid, factual proof of who does have the most wins, I'd love to know. But, until that happens, I'll just imagine these last 200 or so posts never happened, and continue to talk about the Cobalt, which this thread was originally started for.

Back on topic, has anyone heard about what Chevy is going to be racing this thing in??? On Motor Trends SEMA page where they mention this car, they talk about Chevy racing it in a Time Attack at Buttonwillow in a few days. Anyone know what race this is??? Who else is going to be there. I love time attack. No classes, just a track and a clock. Go fast, or lose. I like it. It would be cool if there would be more of it shown or televised.

Hilg

+1
there is no point arguing with some fanboy who cant even post links of his "8 sites". 👎
AND I LOOK COOL CUZ I TYPE IN CAPS! NASCAR FOR LIFE!!!
IM GONNA BONE MY SISTER IN OUR MOTORHOME!

 

[Joey D]

To bring this back on to Cobalt topic, I found this on www.gminsidenews.com

And I know Consumer Reports kinda sucks, but

Source: Consumer Reports 12/05

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars.htm

Here is a quick summary.

Testing of sports cars by Consumers Reports:

Test Results:

4th Place: Mitsubishi Eclipse
3rd Place: Toyota Scion Tc
2nd Place: Acura RSX
1st Place: Chevy Cobalt SS

Chevy Cobalt SS:

Highs: Acceleration, braking, tire grip.

Lows: Rear visibility, heavy clutch, turning circle

Bummer:

Article contains this quote -
"First year reliability of the Cobalt sedan has been much worse than average."

 

[JNasty4G63]

AND I LOOK COOL CUZ I TYPE IN CAPS! NASCAR FOR LIFE!!!
IM GONNA BONE MY SISTER IN OUR MOTORHOME!

Wow, that did look cool. I SHOULD TRY THIS MORE OFTEN!!!! CAPS RULE!!!!!

HA HA HA

Hilg

(PS - dibs on your sister when your done with her )

 

[Tornado]

Test Results:

4th Place: Mitsubishi Eclipse
3rd Place: Toyota Scion Tc
2nd Place: Acura RSX
1st Place: Chevy Cobalt SS

Chevy Cobalt SS:

Highs: Acceleration, braking, tire grip.

Lows: Rear visibility, heavy clutch, turning circle

Bummer:

Article contains this quote -
"First year reliability of the Cobalt sedan has been much worse than average."

What? So every other magazine ever says the RSX is better than the Cobalt, and they even said it's rather unreliable, but it wins? I think they tipped over one too many Suzuki Samurais. That being said, I could see it getting a legitimate 2nd in this crowd made up of the Scion "this is totally better than the Celica" tC and the Mitsubishi "My mistress is torque steer" Eclipse.

 

[Joey D]

What? So every other magazine ever says the RSX is better than the Cobalt, and they even said it's rather unreliable, but it wins? I think they tipped over one too many Suzuki Samurais. That being said, I could see it getting a legitimate 2nd in this crowd made up of the Scion "this is totally better than the Celica" tC and the Mitsubishi "My mistress is torque steer" Eclipse.

The Cobalts aren't that unreliable, but you are right I don't think I would have given the SS first place. I could see second as well. But then again I said I hate Consumer Reports on a few occansions.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

Road & Track made the same horrible mistake--placing the Cobalt over the RSX

 

[Joey D]

Its close, the SS and the RSX are very similar cars performance wise. It's not a horrible mistake, they just liked the Cobalt better. I don't know which one I like better, I've driven the RSX and the Cobalt SS and both are sweet cars, but I'm not sure. The RSX is more plush inside but it doesn't feel as fast. They both handel about the same.

 

[Joey D]

Looks like they won another one....

Chevrolet Cobalt SS wins at Toyo Tires Time Attack
Source: http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/051114-4.htm

Buttonwillow, California – The Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged finished with the fastest time overall and first in the Front Engine Front Drive Unlimited Class at the Toyo Tires Time Attack, presented by Super Street and Eurotuner magazine. It is the second-fastest time ever for a Time Attack run.

Race-prepared by GM Performance Division and driven by current SCCA driving champion John Heinricy, the Cobalt SS Supercharged bested more than fifty competitors, including all-wheel-drive competitors such as the Nissan Skyline and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Along with the Ford Mustang and Dodge Neon (SX), it was one of only three domestic entries.

Based on the production car, the Cobalt SS Supercharged was tuned for the event with a nitrous boost that pushed its power to 380 hp and 387 lb-ft of torque, plus other aerodynamic improvements and chassis tuning, along with lightweight carbon-fibre parts, Lexan side glass and minimal interior appointments. The premise behind Time Attack is to take a vehicle originally produced for legal street use, which must maintain a silhouette largely faithful to the original, and using DOT-approved tires, turn in the fastest lap on a racetrack for the vehicle class.

 

[JNasty4G63]

Race car winning a race. Good job for them. Hopefully that will help people see that they are good cars. I like the car, even if its a little overkill for some of these things they compete it in. But hey, its doing what its supposed to, WIN. I'm all for that.

Hilg

 

[Joey D]

They are releasing the Stage kits here real soon too for the cars, the Stage 4 kit is rumored to be a twincharger set up.

 

[niky]

Still, race-prepped or not, any FF car winning over the EVOs and Skylines is something.... considering it's pretty easy to race prep those cars, too.

 

[JNasty4G63]

This isn't a knock on the Cobalt, so don't take this the wrong way. But, the only problem that I have with "Time Attack" competitions is that its a no limit style of race. Its just run-what-ya-brung. And, if you have more $$$ to build and develop more into your car, and you have a good driver, you stand a real good chance of winning. And John Heinricy sure as hell knows what he's doing behind the wheel.

But, for all we know, the other cars were just as well prepared, and also did have very accomplished race drivers. Who knows. But, a GM backed, 380hp, 2300lb race machine is pretty hard for just about anything to beat. Especially with Heinricy at the wheel. An Evo is going to need a BIG diet and a large chunk of power to keep with that power to weight ratio.

Again, good job for Chevy and the Cobalt. Its nice to see someone has taken the steps to make the car into a competitor. But, competitions like this are always a little hard to judge as cut and dry.

Hilg

 

[Young_Warrior]

Looks like they won another one....

Chevrolet Cobalt SS wins at Toyo Tires Time Attack
Source: http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/051114-4.htm

Buttonwillow, California – The Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged finished with the fastest time overall and first in the Front Engine Front Drive Unlimited Class at the Toyo Tires Time Attack, presented by Super Street and Eurotuner magazine. It is the second-fastest time ever for a Time Attack run.

Race-prepared by GM Performance Division and driven by current SCCA driving champion John Heinricy, the Cobalt SS Supercharged bested more than fifty competitors, including all-wheel-drive competitors such as the Nissan Skyline and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Along with the Ford Mustang and Dodge Neon (SX), it was one of only three domestic entries.

Based on the production car, the Cobalt SS Supercharged was tuned for the event with a nitrous boost that pushed its power to 380 hp and 387 lb-ft of torque, plus other aerodynamic improvements and chassis tuning, along with lightweight carbon-fibre parts, Lexan side glass and minimal interior appointments. The premise behind Time Attack is to take a vehicle originally produced for legal street use, which must maintain a silhouette largely faithful to the original, and using DOT-approved tires, turn in the fastest lap on a racetrack for the vehicle class.

 

[Joey D]

The thread is about Cobalts winning time attacks, that article is about a Cobalt winning a time attack, hence why the article is in the thread.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

I just finally got to watch this on TV... and thought I should bring up that this Cobalt was obviously, a race car... built to SCCA spec...actually, it was pretty much the same as the likes of the Racing Acura RSX's, BMW 320i's, Mazda Protege's, & Honda Civics... regardless, it is still impressive that it was only around 2 sec shy of a track record... set by a McLaren F1...I believe,(hard to hear, brothers kids scream LOUD).... anyway, since niether of these were said before, I thought It should be said

 

[Ev0]

What was the track layout like? If it was short with a lot of turns, then its no surprise it came close to beating a McLaren's time. The F1 was not a stellar handling car anyways; an SCCA touring car would destroy it in terms of handling.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

What was the track layout like? If it was short with a lot of turns, then its no surprise it came close to beating a McLaren's time. The F1 was not a stellar handling car anyways; an SCCA touring car would destroy it in terms of handling.

very true
however, im not sure if the SCCA cars race there or not..
it's Buttonwillow Springs, I think its right about 1.5 miles and fairly balanced, leaning towards tight