Complete American Car List

[Jedi2016]

Okay... since this is my damn thread, I'd like to make a request that we STOP PISSING AND MOANING ABOUT THE ****ING CORVETTE and get this thread BACK ON TOPIC?!?!?!?!?

 

[shoanb]

were is the impala ss 96.if any car that should have been added its that!

 

[Zardoz]

Although Chevy never made a car that whooped ferrari's ass......

Uh, yes, they did. In fact, they're still making it. They call it the "Corvette". It was first and second in the GTS class at the Le Mans 24-hour race, three out of the last four years, beating the Ferrari 550 and 575 Maranellos.

You need to try to keep up with things a little better.

 

[Majarvis]

Uh, yes, they did. In fact, they're still making it. They call it the "Corvette". It was first and second in the GTS class at the Le Mans 24-hour race, three out of the last four years, beating the Ferrari 550 and 575 Maranellos.

You need to try to keep up with things a little better.

Despite being a Corvette fan, I must step in here and provide some clarification. The C5-R produced by Pratt & Miller Racing is a full blown race car, as is the 550 Maranello produced by Prodrive. They have VERY little in common with their road car inspiration, and saying the Corvette beats Ferrari's hands-down is a little over-zealous.
Yes, the Corvette is a fantastic machine, but a Ferrari it is not. Ferrari will always be "the" sportscar name in the automotive world. Sure, the Z06 is a great car, but even Ferrari's entry level model, the 360 Modena, and especially the newly designed F430, are much better machines than the Corvette when it comes to handling (the Corvette still uses leaf-spring suspension in the back, LEAFSPRINGS!, and is quite a bit heavier), braking, and that "wow" factor. Pricing aside, of course, the Corvette still isn't quite on par with Ferrari with those models, and especially not with the 575M Maranello, or (obviously) the almighty Enzo.
Now, let's get back on topic

 

[yodman]

Not sure if anyone caught the fact that the 2005 Chrysler 300C IS in fact in the game. Someone had mentioned earlier that it was not...

Yay, first post here!

Looking forward to GT4, just need to get together that $49.99!

 

[Zardoz]

...saying the Corvette beats Ferrari's hands-down is a little over-zealous.
Yes, the Corvette is a fantastic machine, but a Ferrari it is not.

Where did this come from? Where did I say anything like this?

I would certainly hope the Maranello has some strong points over the $48,000 Corvette. You are fully aware of what the 575M costs, right? You do realize that you can't get one out of a dealer's showroom for less than $230,000, right?

And you do know that the Enzo is a million-dollar supercar, right?

 

[Swift]

Where did this come from? Where did I say anything like this?

I would certainly hope the Maranello has some strong points over the $48,000 Corvette. You are fully aware of what the 575M costs, right? You do realize that you can't get one out of a dealer's showroom for less than $230,000, right?

And you do know that the Enzo is a million-dollar supercar, right?

Hence the futility in comparing the two car brands.

 

[Majarvis]

You are fully aware of what the 575M costs, right? You do realize that you can't get one out of a dealer's showroom for less than $230,000, right?

And you do know that the Enzo is a million-dollar supercar, right?

No, I do not know any of this, master, please enlighten me, wise one

 

[bullet brain]

wow! 672 cars listed on that!

 

[Zardoz]

wow! 672 cars listed on that!

721, actually.

BTW, y'all, the Brazilian car industry makes over a million-and-a-half cars per year, but you'll notice that not one Brazilian brand shows up on the GT4 list. Here's why:

"Approximately 75% of the passenger vehicle market in Brazil is composed of inexpensive models with 1-L engines referred to as "popular cars". These are produced mainly by Volkswagen (Gol), Fiat (Uno and Palio), General Motors (Corsa and Celta), and Ford (Ka).

"Although European-based companies -- and European-style cars -- dominate the Brazilian market, manufacturers such as Ford and General Motors are now offering Brazilian consumers European designs in addition to their traditional North American-style SUVs (pick-ups). Renault, G.M. and Citroën produce the only three minivan models available in Brazil."

Note the absence of Japanese brands. Therefore, to KY and his people, this huge country's automobile industry is not worth so much as a single notation in his "history of the automobile" game.

 

[Nemo2]

I was just looking for this, thank you so much for posting!

 

[Swift]

721, actually.

BTW, y'all, the Brazilian car industry makes over a million-and-a-half cars per year, but you'll notice that not one Brazilian brand shows up on the GT4 list. Here's why:

"Approximately 75% of the passenger vehicle market in Brazil is composed of inexpensive models with 1-L engines referred to as "popular cars". These are produced mainly by Volkswagen (Gol), Fiat (Uno and Palio), General Motors (Corsa and Celta), and Ford (Ka).

"Although European-based companies -- and European-style cars -- dominate the Brazilian market, manufacturers such as Ford and General Motors are now offering Brazilian consumers European designs in addition to their traditional North American-style SUVs (pick-ups). Renault, G.M. and Citroën produce the only three minivan models available in Brazil."

Note the absence of Japanese brands. Therefore, to KY and his people, this huge country's automobile industry is not worth so much as a single notation in his "history of the automobile" game.

Very interesting. But judging by the article, the majority of cars that are sold/built in Brazil are 1.0 liter cars. That doesn't sound all that exciteding to me.

 

[Jmac279]

The Ford Focus is built in Brazil ...

 

[Swift]

The Ford Focus is built in Brazil ...

But are the specs different then the one in the states or in europe?

 

[godislex]

Dear God. I don't know where to begin. You're mostly just throwing out buzzwords. This thread could be used to teach a class on fallacies. OK, students, point out 10 examples of ad hominem, 10 examples of biased generalization, 10 red herrings and 10 examples of the straw man.

The Z06 out-accelerated the Viper. The Vettes crushed ALM. There really needs to be some legitimate evidence presented if you're going to claim a $30K Evo is a better car than a Vette. Pointing out the lack of leaf springs on the Evo is the argument of an imbecile. It also sounds like several people are discussing the finer points of the interiors of vehicles they haven't been in.

It's downright retarded the way these arguments go. Someone finds one single angle and they just harp on it no matter what anybody says. How is automotive bang-for-the-buck suddenly the most important thing in a video game? If that is really what you're going to argue, you need to realize that the Vette is a sub-$100K car which performs significantly better than many $200K-300K cars.

You can point out the strong points of a car, but try to be at least somewhat intelligent about it. Nobody's going around saying that Maybach makes trash just because an Elise costs 1/20th as much and handles better. Then again, maybe some people are...

Sorry professor, that my arguments did not agree with you! Listen buddy, I am NOT throwing out buzzwords. I have been in evry car I talked about except the C6. My conclusion about the interior was based on my experience w/ a C5 and seeing the C6 interior (which shares cockpit hardware with many GM cars/trucks) I don't like Vettes, true, but I was using the springing example so show that the Vette's over priced for THE TECHNOLOGY IT HAS, not in relation to its competitors! My comparison to the Evo was because the Evo has more advanced technologies and they sell about the same number of them worldwide. (by same i mean about the same order of magnitude-- 10-50k). I meant to show that the Vette could, for the same price, do better. And I don't think an Evo's better. I'd say they're roughly the same. The Vette's not $15K better. According to evo, the only magazine I give a toss about (R&T/C&D/Automobile/MT all have to answer to Detroit, Top Gear/Car/Autocar are more concerned with dodging C02 tax) the C6 is getting close. Good for GM; their immense budget is just keeping up with Porsche, who is owned by no one.

And if you were paying attention instead of defending a giant corporation, you'd notice that my main argument was that bang-for-the-buck is the last thing I care about. A) its a game, gimme a Zonda or a 787 or the Macca. VICARIOUS EXPERIENCE!!! It's all about simulation. B) It's racing; all we care about is track speed. My problem with the Vette's not bang for buck, because I agree it is alot of the former for not much of the latter. I was talking bout engineering/buck, which the Vette's deficient in. How much is a crate small block with 400 hp? OK from Lingenfelter, a 350 is 4500. And I'm sure that motor makes more than 400 hp. How much do leaf springs cost to design? If you like Vettes, good for you. I do not. I'm done *****ing about Vettes now. Its silly the car's not in the game, but its silly that so many cars aren't in; the Vette is the least of my problems with the game.

We are all welcome to develop a better game. We can all also keep *****ing about All of the content we miss (Id be happy for there to only be one car of each configuration if there were 20 more tracks!) but at this point all of this won't get any change. Anyway, PD does good work. The content is quality, and we all have to accept there's only 9GB of it. I personally feel they did a decent job of making me and the auto industry happy with the cross section of cars and tracks they chose. I wish they had included more of the cars I've had the pleasure of driving, but that's small potatoes.

Now ruining 2P... that's Big Potatoes.

 

[Jetboy.]

How did they destroy 2 player? ( I did not read it, or entirely missed it.)

 

[tha_con]

I have to say this...I just can't resist...

Everyone who has ever complained about there being 50 skylines = Stupid.

Anyone who thinks that the lack of American cars in GT4, or any GT, has anything to do with the fact that they are in fact made in America = Incredibly Stupid.

Anyone who thinks there is a REASON to compare cars from different countrys do determine which is better = Darwin Candidate.

Point blank, different country's have different needs and different grounds in which to produce their cars.

Asia produces cars based on their market/population/terrain. That is why they don't have a huge amount of supercars, etc. There isn't a large market for them. No the skyline is not a supercar.

However, there are many wealthy people in Europ, and in the US, who are more than willing to shell out money for supercars, hence they are produced on a larger scale, and of course they are going to be better.

and you do all understand that "import and domestic" is only relative to where you live...right? You would be more correct to say "American Car vs. (Foriegn Car)"...it's that simple.

My point is, few of you actually KNOW what you are talking about, and fewer of you think you do. Keep it to the game, complaints aside.

If you are really THAT serious about cars, you'd be driving them, not complaining about little details etc and whining, lets all grow up and enjoy what is on the market, what ever it may be, it's never going to be perfect for YOU, so grab your nuts (or other parts, whichever you grab) and grow up.

 

[dbartucci]

On the PAL Update thread Amar said the prize car on the Grand Valley 300km endurance has been changed from the Sauber to the Auto Union, I wonder if the Sauber will show up elsewhere, or you'll have to buy it, and if the other PAL/NTSC cars have been added in as prize cars in the other races.

 

[Jedi2016]

Just to add to what Tha_Con said, don't forget how many Japanese cars are sold in America. If I walk around the parking lot of my apartment complex, I think around half the cars there come from outside the U.S.

 

[Jetboy.]

Just to add to what Tha_Con said, don't forget how many Japanese cars are sold in America. If I walk around the parking lot of my apartment complex, I think around half the cars there come from outside the U.S.

He does sport a point there....I say there is no point wishing (and b****ing) on what could be, especially if it goes on sale tomorrow. Besides the point, if you don't like it, dont drive it. That is why there is 721 cars.💡

Just my $3.87.

 

[Zardoz]

....I say there is no point wishing (and b****ing) on what could be...

There's no doubt that GT4 will be the best driving game ever. I'll get at least two years out of it just like I did GT3. That's not the point.

The point us whining b****ers are making is that with a different mind-set on the part of the developers, it could very easily have been even better. After this ridiculously long wait, and all the claims Sony made about what it would be, we've been let down. Several things are missing or are not what they could have been.

I really hope Forza and Enthusia are first-class efforts. KY and his boys need somebody to keep them honest. The better the competition is, the better GT5 will be, because Kaz-san will be forced to think more about what his customers want than what he and his buddies like.

 

[Swift]

There's no doubt that GT4 will be the best driving game ever. I'll get at least two years out of it just like I did GT3. That's not the point.

The point us whining b****ers are making is that with a different mind-set on the part of the developers, it could very easily have been even better. After this ridiculously long wait, and all the claims Sony made about what it would be, we've been let down. Several things are missing or are not what they could have been.

I really hope Forza and Enthusia are first-class efforts. KY and his boys need somebody to keep them honest. The better the competition is, the better GT5 will be, because Kaz-san will be forced to think more about what his customers want than what he and his buddies like.

There's an erie amount of truth to that last statement. It's almost like KY forgets that this game is going to be released in America and other countries besides just Japan.

 

[tha_con]

Yet another rant from me.

You complain about "the long wait" yet look at the Asian, yes ASIAN release, it had 12 less cars, that US/PAL will recieve, AND there is NO GARAGE BATTLES in those releases.

So...if they are REALLY "that concerned" with what is going on in their country, rather than ours, do you think they would have put a delay on it to give us the extra features, as well as A-Spec/B-Spec swaps, added artwork and animations for unlocked things, rather than just text, etc?

They put extra work into the US version for a better product, along with PAL release...so tell me, if they did that, what in the heck makes you guy's think they aren't concerned with what would go on in this country? let alone others?

You complain complain complain, and never look at the BRIGHT sides...that's why you are always let down, some of you are spoiled, that's all I can say, and it's my opinion.

 

[98cobra]

There's an erie amount of truth to that last statement. It's almost like KY forgets that this game is going to be released in America and other countries besides just Japan.

Couldn't agree with you any more. 👍

 

[Gabkicks]

yeah, there's nothing to complain about in GT4 when you consider what's in the game, and what easily could have been in the game, but wasnt put in because of the developer's decision. The game's sold to the world and clearly designed to please the world. Nothing selfish about the cars they chose to put in the game. And of course, we are so lucky for the 12 extra euro cars we get







incase you didnt figure it out, I said some of that stuff sarcasticly

 

[The359]

Fair warning:

Expect my official North American car list to pop up on the board either tomorrow or soon after to go alongside the Japanese car list. European car list will come son after.

 

[Swift]

Yet another rant from me.

You complain about "the long wait" yet look at the Asian, yes ASIAN release, it had 12 less cars, that US/PAL will recieve, AND there is NO GARAGE BATTLES in those releases.

So...if they are REALLY "that concerned" with what is going on in their country, rather than ours, do you think they would have put a delay on it to give us the extra features, as well as A-Spec/B-Spec swaps, added artwork and animations for unlocked things, rather than just text, etc?

They put extra work into the US version for a better product, along with PAL release...so tell me, if they did that, what in the heck makes you guy's think they aren't concerned with what would go on in this country? let alone others?

You complain complain complain, and never look at the BRIGHT sides...that's why you are always let down, some of you are spoiled, that's all I can say, and it's my opinion.

Yeah, I agree...kinda. With reference to the wait. I'm not made at all that we get the US release less then 2 monts after the Asian release. That's fantastic! The challenge with the release date was that it was constantly set, and even more constantly pushed back. Now, I'm the kind of person that would rather wait for a complete game the have a partial game now. So the current release is fine for me. But it's been switched about what, five times? That's a lot. They could've just said, late 2004 and we would've been a bit disappointed, but at least not mad. When you set and then constantly change release dates, it tends to anger the fanbase. That's all I'm saying and it's my opinion.

 

[87chevy]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????? NO TRANS-AMs????????????

honda has 2 freakin pages of cars, and pontiac doesn't even give us ONE SINGLE FIREBIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Swift]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????? NO TRANS-AMs????????????

honda has 2 freakin pages of cars, and pontiac doesn't even give us ONE SINGLE FIREBIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, I loved the firebird. And since camaro's are in there, it perplexes me why they didn't get a firebird/Trans-Am/Firehawk in the game. Oh well.

 

[GILLET]

Fair warning:

Expect my official North American car list to pop up on the board either tomorrow or soon after to go alongside the Japanese car list. European car list will come son after.

Yea, yea, yea The359.. quit your japping..hehe.. We just want to get GT4 here in North America and to begin to fill in the Car List for GT4 NTSC Version. I'm even missing school tomorrow just to get my copy at Gamestop. Just hope all this japping about the U.S Ver. getting the Jaguar XJR9.. Eclipse('06)..Streamline..and the other sweet ass rides is not just a huge missunderstanding because I'll be furious..