Cote di Amalfi downhill/uphill

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Cote di Amalfi is the closest track to a mountain pass you can get in GT4, and I just love it. After getting familiar with the "normal" one (because the hairpins are going up, I assume normal is 'uphill'), I tried the "reverse" one. I compared the times, and found out that there were about 3-4 secound gap :yuck: , with "normal" being faster, I drove a Mugen s2000 with a oil change, racing suspension set-up, and N2 tires(don't ask me why), and my times were:

Normal(uphill) 2:20(something like that) :dopey:
Reverse(downhill)2:23(I'm sure about this one) :sick:

Now, my question is, are you guys experiencing the samething? I know that the elevation is there, but I am having doubts on my skills on downhill, please feel free and tell us your times! :ouch:
 
It could have to do with the actual maneuvering you have to do. Some specific combinations of turns can be faster in one direction than another, and the track has a lot of complex stuff. I don't think it has as much to do with uphill/downhill...
 
As a matter of fact, I think I took much better lines in Reverse... I think the excessive speed on the downhill is creating over-load on the brakes...
 
sven
Some specific combinations of turns can be faster in one direction than another
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have you raced citta di aria yet? if you race it climbing up towards the finishline through the citadel, before you cross the line, you will come across a nasty left hander (the one that is red and white) that is hard to get round without braking. now race the track in reverse. start from the finish line and gun down through the citadel (it can be done at full speed without braking), and it isnt there. in fact, the track seems almost straight from top to bottom! its kinda wierd!
 
For an example of the difference:
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I think the area I've indicated in Famine-colour would especially be a lot faster going downhill.
It comes out of a wide turn (more speed) and you can pretty much blast straight down it. When going uphill in that section, you're coming out of a very narrow hairpin and have to slog up the hill from there.
 
Emohawk
For an example of the difference:
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I think the area I've indicated in Famine-colour would especially be a lot faster going downhill.
It comes out of a wide turn (more speed) and you can pretty much blast straight down it. When going uphill in that section, you're coming out of a very narrow hairpin and have to slog up the hill from there.
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er.. but isn't this argument also applicable to other parts of the course where you go uphill in one direction and downhill in another? collectively, you are going for the same amount of uphill and downhill in either directions :crazy:
 
Theres alot of turn combinations that are faster one way than the other. That whole top section I can basically take full throttle for the most part going forward, where as on the reverse track, I gotta slow down like crazy half way through.
 
Emohawk
For an example of the difference:
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I think the area I've indicated in Famine-colour would especially be a lot faster going downhill.
It comes out of a wide turn (more speed) and you can pretty much blast straight down it. When going uphill in that section, you're coming out of a very narrow hairpin and have to slog up the hill from there.
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It is faster going downhill except when you have a pace car in front of you that is stuck in first gear. :grumpy:
 
Did you do the races in B-Spec for consistency?

It's a very interesting point though! Always nice to see a thread like this that questions the significance of insignificance.
 
when you get the F1 take it out on this stage for a laugh. if flys up / down those inclines at unbeleviable speed that the physics engine stuggles to keep up with :)
 
Wow, nice to see that someone actually remembers there's another Italian tarmac rally other than Citta di Aria. In a fast car, here's one of my tips. In the area that Emohawk highlighted on the track, disregard the first brake warning. Don't slow down at all. Instead, take the turn at high speed, but when you get to the hairpin, brake as hard as you can because if you misjudge your braking point, you'll spin out from the undulating chicanes heading into that nasty hairpin. Then, you have to attack the hairpin nicely so that you don't lose too much speed continuing on.

I acatually find the uphill route easier, since it gives you some nice jumps and be able to enjoy high speed for almost all of the race course without having to worry about out-of-nowhere turns like Citta di Aria. Plus, the learning curve is actually easier at Costa di Amalfi. Running in reverse can be pretty risky, so be on your guard.
 
JohnBM01
Wow, nice to see that someone actually remembers there's another Italian tarmac rally other than Citta di Aria. In a fast car, here's one of my tips. In the area that Emohawk highlighted on the track, disregard the first brake warning. Don't slow down at all. Instead, take the turn at high speed, but when you get to the hairpin, brake as hard as you can because if you misjudge your braking point, you'll spin out from the undulating chicanes heading into that nasty hairpin. Then, you have to attack the hairpin nicely so that you don't lose too much speed continuing on.

I acatually find the uphill route easier, since it gives you some nice jumps and be able to enjoy high speed for almost all of the race course without having to worry about out-of-nowhere turns like Citta di Aria. Plus, the learning curve is actually easier at Costa di Amalfi. Running in reverse can be pretty risky, so be on your guard.
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That is fine except in the pace car license test. The pace car goes way too slow down that section you have to brake about 3 times on your way down.
 
Emohawk
For an example of the difference:
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I think the area I've indicated in Famine-colour would especially be a lot faster going downhill.
It comes out of a wide turn (more speed) and you can pretty much blast straight down it. When going uphill in that section, you're coming out of a very narrow hairpin and have to slog up the hill from there.
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for some reason the gear change indicator flashes up going down the hill. I go flat out tho :)

I go equally well in either direction. it a great track
 
ving
for some reason the gear change indicator flashes up going down the hill. I go flat out tho :)

I go equally well in either direction. it a great track
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So you go equally well in first gear or reverse ?
 
My fastest lap time in a race on this track is 1,53 in Normal (clockwise). This was with med racing tyres, so I guess it's going to be somewhat faster with qual tyres.
CLK Mercedes, I should probably add that. Ooookay then.
 
I think the gear indicator flashing on the highlighted section (where no shift is generally needed) illustrates the difference between RL racing and GT4 racing. IRL you probably would want to brake where the indicator flashes to prevent you soiling your racing suit :D
 
Hah! A tread about my favourite course! To compare it to Citta di Aria: This course has much more space for error than CdA. The roads are a lot wider and the buildings aren't so close to the road.

I must agree that the reverse course is a lot harder than the normal way, but it's a lot more fun on the downhill (at least for me). Here you can test your true driving skills! I almost always try to drift through the reverse downhill since I discovered it's a bit faster than gripping. But it's only doing any good when drifting entering a corner and not exiting one! Also, I really like the jump after the 3rd corner. Once I preformed it with a fully tuned Pagani Zonda (±1000hp) and it flew straight against the fence at the end of the straightway!! Don't do that when racing! (nice in photomode though...)

On the downhill in the normal mode I too always ignore the flashing gear indicator... It looks so stupid when you brake on a straightaway when you can't crash into something... :crazy:

Sounds strange though but one of my favourite cars, an ff-driven one, on this track is the Volkswagen Golf 5 with a Turbo tune... :crazy: heheheh :dopey:
 
yeah, that downhill 2nd gear warning is totally idiotic... one of the few passing places of my own...btw, Tony, do you use feint to enter a corner? Then grip the other half? I tried once in Reverse after the W-I-D-E coner when I met my first hairpin.WOW, that was scary...

Citta di Aria is too narrow to have a good line, especially the final and middle part, where you are just barely fitting the damn road!
 
NSX-R
Citta di Aria is too narrow to have a good line, especially the final and middle part, where you are just barely fitting the damn road!
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So true. I just blast through that any way possible without hitting anything... not caring for the line at all. :dopey:
 
I would tend to THINK counter clockwise would be fastest, since the initial tight hairpins are so tight, and you're not going too fast anyway because they are so short, and thus you have to brake less. Plus, gravity helps after each bend on the last hairpins (the ones with the jumps in between)--with longer straights in between each turn, I would think gravity's help would help you make better times--faster on each little straight between each hairpin.

Having said that, I am fastest clockwise as well. And I don't have an explanation for that. Maybe because you can carry more speed through the back "straight" through the undulating downhill section.
 
Emohawk
For an example of the difference:
clipboard015wz.jpg

I think the area I've indicated in Famine-colour would especially be a lot faster going downhill.
It comes out of a wide turn (more speed) and you can pretty much blast straight down it. When going uphill in that section, you're coming out of a very narrow hairpin and have to slog up the hill from there.
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Hey Emohawk where did you get that map from?

Oh uhh... found it!
 
This is one of my favorite courses as well, since before I learned of the B-Spec cash cow that is The Deutsche Touring Car Meisterschaft, I A-Specced this course numerous times for money. Fun course, pretty scenery, tons more room than the Citta Di Aria but still can be challenging. I just got my F1 and took it through here last night, yikes! I love racing it in the Subaru Imprezza WRX STi, any of the Rally cars of course, the Toyota Celica 2000GT-Four '86 and most any Audi. I think I'll take a break from the DTCM and make a few more $$ racing it in some of the (many) cars in my garage I haven't even driven yet. I didn't know about the special black cars when day 700 rolled around, but I'm at day 1350 now.
 

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