Could this technique make you faster in GT5?

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My little brother watches motorbike trials whenever they are on TV and I noticed that Toni Bou (the best trials rider in the world) uses a different technique to most riders, he bounces twice before he launches his bike as seen at 23 seconds in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgK926JGgdE

So if a technique similar to this was used properly before turning into a corner like doing a very small scandinavian flick before a big one, would you turn in quicker than just doing one scandinavian flick?
 
Scandinavian flick induces a slide mainly used in forest rallies with rear wheel drive. Not the fastest on tarmac though.
 
Mark
Scandinavian flick induces a slide mainly used in forest rallies with rear wheel drive. Not the fastest on tarmac though.
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I mean the sort of flick that would induce a small slide on tarmac like an F1 driver would do, not as dramatic as a rally car.
 
F1 drivers do not induce slides. They don't because sliding is slow and it wears the tyres more than necessary.
 
The flick idea won't really work...but one thing I did try was a double brake zone...set your car up so it's a little but tight...then as you come up to a corner, tap the brake lightly to set the car, then coast, then brake hard as you are turning...it allows you to push much farther into corners than you normally would be able to...really helps on tracks with a lot of tighter turns
 
That bounce on the trials bike is to do with balance and setting up for the next move, I don't see how you could relate that to a car turning into a corner faster or slower :confused

Add to that a Scandinavian flick is used in drifting where being faster doesn't always mean better (especially in GT5 drifting)
 
The flick idea doesn't work very well in this case in my opinion, additional flick does induce more slide causing the tyres to wear out more quickly, and in worse case the car can be averted off the supposed line losing your gap in a race.
 
Mark
Any slide in an F1 car is LOST TIME.
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Martin Brundle said something along the lines of "You can't see it but these cars are sliding all the time." Very small controlled slides.

killer tiller
That bounce on the trials bike is to do with balance and setting up for the next move, I don't see how you could relate that to a car turning into a corner faster or slower :confused
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He's loading up the suspension more by bouncing twice to propel himself upwards so if one side of the car is loaded up more than usual the car could change direction quicker if the move is executed properly? (the suspension has more of a distance to travel downwards so there is a harsher rebounding effect)

YellowBird23
The flick idea doesn't work very well in this case in my opinion, additional flick does induce more slide causing the tyres to wear out more quickly, and in worse case the car can be averted off the supposed line losing your gap in a race.
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Yes I understand that there would be additional tyre wear but I was thinking about one lap speed.
 
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If you watch old cockpit cameras on senna's car. He would flick the wheel just slightly when he hit the apex. They said it kind if wrap the car around the corner.
 
iamjajo
So, I guess the big question is...how much faster are your lap times using the flick than without?
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Well Toni Bou who I mentioned in the original post is the only guy who can really make the most of this double loading technique because it is so easy to overdo. I'm not sure if it could be applied to racing but if it could I don't think I would be skilled enough to make the most of it consistently, I've been practicting in the x2010 around the nurburgring with a DS3 and a few times I think I have gained a little bit of time but that may be due to my own inconsistency.
 
Peasantslayer
Well Toni Bou who I mentioned in the original post is the only guy who can really make the most of this double loading technique because it is so easy to overdo. I'm not sure if it could be applied to racing but if it could I don't think I would be skilled enough to make the most of it consistently, I've been practicting in the x2010 around the nurburgring with a DS3 and a few times I think I have gained a little bit of time but that may be due to my own inconsistency.
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That says it all then. LOL
 
Peasantslayer
How does it? I'm bad on that track and I'm bad in that car. It's certainly a more plausible statement than "Any slide in an F1 car is LOST TIME."
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To be able to drive the X2010 aroung the ring with a DSR and be able to notice minute differences, You either have exceptional skills ( post a vid to show us your skils) or your full of......
 
Mark
To be able to drive the X2010 aroung the ring with a DSR and be able to notice minute differences, You either have exceptional skills ( post a vid to show us your skils) or your full of......
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What are you talking about? You replied as if I was boasting about my ability. I said I might be gaining time but I'm not sure because I'm too inconsistent. I didn't come up with this theory by playing as I said I just saw a technique on TV which involved creating more of a distance for the suspension to compress to gain more force upwards.
 
Peasantslayer
What are you talking about? You replied as if I was boasting about my ability. I said I might be gaining time but I'm not sure because I'm too inconsistent. I didn't come up with this theory by playing as I said I just saw a technique on TV which involved creating more of a distance for the suspension to compress to gain more force upwards.
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Use a real car. The X2010 is too reactive, it's not a good subject for a test especially with a track so enormous and difficult. For these tests, use a LM race car of some type that way it isn't a garbage car or one that's a rocket ship on wheels.
 
I did it with several Le mans cars...
I gained on average, a second, on a lot of them going around the ring 10 laps
 
If it worked then why dont top racers/cars use this tecnique then. Oh I know because its a bike thing. PMSL @ the likes of Button Vetell Weber and so, go on bouncing in there seats like the old english grass hill climbs. In fact its so funny I nearly spat my coffee all over the laptop. LOL
 
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Mark
If it worked then why dont top racers/cars use this tecnique then. Oh I know because its a bike thing. PMSL @ the likes of Button Vetell Weber and so, go on bouncing in there seats like the old english grass hill climbs. In fact its so funny I nearly spat my coffee all over the laptop. LOL
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In real life racers drive away from the corner slightly before they enter it to load up one side of the suspension so that they can rebound in the opposite direction. What I am saying is if they turn in, turn away slightly, then turn in again one side of the suspension will be able to extend more than usual giving more room for compression and might help you change direction quicker. Basically his technique but used to travel horizontally instead of vertically and using the car's weight instead of rider/driver weight.
 
Peasantslayer
In real life racers drive away from the corner slightly before they enter it to load up one side of the suspension so that they can rebound in the opposite direction. What I am saying is if they turn in, turn away slightly, then turn in again one side of the suspension will be able to extend more than usual giving more room for compression and might help you change direction quicker. Basically his technique but used to travel horizontally instead of vertically and using the car's weight instead of rider/driver weight.
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No. Just, no. It's a nice theory but it doesn't work.
 
SimonK
No. Just, no. It's a nice theory but it doesn't work.
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Will never work on so many levels.

When bouncing on a bike you have solid ground pushing back on you to stop the bikes downward force.

On the road you have tire grip pushing back on the cars forces. Unlike the ground it has a limit to how much you can keep pushing before the tires break free and start sliding.

Every time a car changes direction, weight shifts. Each time weight shifts grip is lost.

The suspension geometry will not let that idea work either.

You can try the technique and see that it will hurt you lap times.

The idea is cool though.
 
Peasantslayer
Well Toni Bou who I mentioned in the original post is the only guy who can really make the most of this double loading technique because it is so easy to overdo. I'm not sure if it could be applied to racing but if it could I don't think I would be skilled enough to make the most of it consistently, I've been practicting in the x2010 around the nurburgring with a DS3 and a few times I think I have gained a little bit of time but that may be due to my own inconsistency.
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Then the answer to your question is simple. If your name is Toni Bou and you play GT5 your lap times might be faster using this technique.
 
I can see where a talented driver could use this on a car with a soft suspension (Cobra 427) on a tight course (Cote d'Azure).

But for the vast majority of vehicles/corners, no, it won't help.
 
Ronald6
I can see where a talented driver could use this on a car with a soft suspension (Cobra 427) on a tight course (Cote d'Azure).

But for the vast majority of vehicles/corners, no, it won't help.
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It can't work on any corner. Sure a little flick on corner entry to help the turn in could be beneficial, but after that all it will do is slow you down.
Mid corner direction changes are always bad.
 
No, it won't work.

Physics are physics.. There's no way you can "force" the car to change direction faster than what the physics allow.

If you for some reason could make the suspension bounce you back, your speed is not high enough, and you'll therefore loose time even though the actual move might feel faster.
When you push the car to 100% in a corner, there's no room at all for making the suspention brake the laws of physics.
I can see that it might work.. But ONLY if your speed/traction is not used to 100%. Cause if it's not, there's room to "force" the car to turn in faster..

Some like to flick the front and make the compression of the damper push back, and some try to make it thru the entire corner driving smooth as close to 100% as possible.
I prefer the later option. 👍 ;)
 

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