COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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A new paper in Cell today shows evidence that novel bat coronaviruses, capable of human infectivity, are prevalent in Malayan pangolins...
This study showed that pangolins carry pre-emergent MERS-like CoVs that are related to bats but are capable of direct infection and show enhanced infectivity to humans compared with the bat viruses, indicating the important role of pangolins in CoV emergence in humans.
This tends to support the hypothesis that trafficking in pangolins (widespread in China) could have triggered the SARS-CoV-2 / Covid pandemic, as opposed to the controversial 'lab leak' hypothesis that puts forward the notion that the current pandemic originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where the bat coronavirus specialist Zhengli Shi is based. The fact that she is a corresponding (main) author of this paper is interesting though...
 
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lol at all those feebs who sucked horse deworming paste from the tip of an oral syringe.
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Gosh.



lol at all those feebs who sucked horse deworming paste from the tip of an oral syringe.


When science works...

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Not that anyone that should read this is going too, mostly because they're dead due to literally 🤬 their insides out.
 
When science works...

Horse Reaction GIF


Not that anyone that should read this is going too, mostly because they're dead due to literally 🤬 their insides out.
No wonder they're so pissed about voluntary TP restrictions.
 
Contrary to what I posted a few weeks ago, it turns out that under 50s in Scotland can get a Covid booster if they want one (and a flu shot as well if they like), although I think this programme is closing quite soon.

I'm actually quite surprised and impressed that it was so easy and available in multiple locations, including somewhere 10 minutes from my work. I was able to choose a convenient date and time as well, and when I arrived 20 minutes early, I was taken in anyway and I was out of the place before my appointment was even scheduled to start.

So, I'm happy to say that I'm now boosted with the most up to date / bivalent booster that should protect against current variants.

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4 hours later and my arm is getting a bit sore now...
 
I ordered a couple of antigen tests for my mum last year which expire in November and December of this year. The government sent her a replacement test this week which runs out in... January. Thanks, Rishi-bama!
 
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The US Energy Department has revealed that it believes the lab leak idea is likely what started the pandemic, however it's done so with "low confidence."

On one hand, China is at fault for their poor response. On the other, this is very dangerous ammunition to give to one particular US political party.
 
On one hand, China is at fault for their poor response. On the other, this is very dangerous ammunition to give to one particular US political party.
It's probably ammunition for both political parties at this point. While I get why we didn't down the Chinese spy balloon immediately, I think a large portion of the country sees it as weak leadership from Biden, including centrists and moderate Democrats. If Biden and his administration can use this to leverage a new direction of being tough on China, it'll likely help Biden win a second term.
 
I wasn't clear from a similar article (can't see the NY times article) if this is an updated conclusion or if this was the conclusion that they drew back in 2021... it looks like the former, but it's not overly clear from what I've read, and it's also 'low confidence' which doesn't inspire much in the way of credibility.

That said, although I hate conspiracy theories, politicisation and speculation, I've never discounted the 'lab-leak' hypothesis (in one form or another) and have always thought that a leak from WIV was possible, however unlikely. Having worked in virology myself, I know for a stone-cold fact that it only takes one lazy and/or incompetent individual to do something wrong, badly, stupid or maliciously to put other people at risk. I've always thought of this pandemic along the lines of this: imagine if a Zika virus outbreak occured in the UK and the first people to get infected all shopped at Morrison's in Anniesland, Glasgow (a mile away from the Centre for Virus Research where said incompetent person (not me) worked on Zika virus)...

China's lack of transparency and absymal track record of honesty and accountability doesn't help matters. Also, the competing theory - the 'natural origins' or 'zoonosis' camp, while working extremely diligently for years to correctly discount a tsunami of misinformation and conspiracy theorist BS, have as yet not been able to pinpoint the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2 (albeit a likely impossible task), while one of the closest natural sequences to SARS-CoV-2 was discovered and reported in the journal Nature, who else, but everyone's favourite bat coronavirus specialist Shi Zheng-Li from the WIV in February 2020... note that to be able to submit this to Nature in Jan 2020, the manuscript would have taken several months to prepare, and the samples had been in their lab since 2012.
 
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Here's the article:
WASHINGTON — New intelligence has prompted the Energy Department to conclude that an accidental laboratory leak in China most likely caused the coronavirus pandemic, though U.S. spy agencies remain divided over the origins of the virus, American officials said on Sunday.

The conclusion was a change from the department’s earlier position that it was undecided on how the virus emerged.

Some officials briefed on the intelligence said that it was relatively weak and that the Energy Department’s conclusion was made with “low confidence,” suggesting its level of certainty was not high. While the department shared the information with other agencies, none of them changed their conclusions, officials said.

Officials would not disclose what the intelligence was. But many of the Energy Department’s insights come from its network of national laboratories, some of which conduct biological research, rather than more traditional forms of intelligence like spy networks or communications intercepts.

Intelligence officials believe the scrutiny of the pandemic’s beginnings could be important to improving global response to future health crises, though they caution that finding an answer about the source of the virus may be difficult or even impossible given Chinese opposition to further research. Scientists say there is a responsibility to explain how a pandemic that has killed almost seven million people started, and learning more about its origins could help researchers understand what poses the biggest threats of future outbreaks.

The new intelligence and the shift in the department’s view was first reported by The Wall Street Journal on Sunday.

Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser, declined to confirm the intelligence. But he said President Biden had ordered that the national labs be brought into the effort to determine the origins of the outbreak so that the government was using “every tool” it had.

In addition to the Energy Department, the F.B.I. has also concluded, with moderate confidence, that the virus first emerged accidentally from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a Chinese lab that worked on coronaviruses. Four other intelligence agencies and the National Intelligence Council have concluded, with low confidence, that the virus most likely emerged through natural transmission, the director of national intelligence’s office announced in October 2021.

Mr. Sullivan said those divisions remain.

“There is a variety of views in the intelligence community,” he said on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday. “Some elements of the intelligence community have reached conclusions on one side, some on the other. A number of them have said they just don’t have enough information to be sure.”

Mr. Sullivan said if more information was learned, the administration would report it to Congress and the public. “But right now, there is not a definitive answer that has emerged from the intelligence community on this question,” he said.

Some scientists believe that the current evidence, including virus genes, points to a large food and live animal market in Wuhan as the most likely place the coronavirus emerged.

It's another agency saying that they agree with the lab leak idea to go along with the other agencies that offered the same conclusion in 2021. I was a little confused as to why the Energy Department was actually looking into this, but it appears they oversee a bunch of national laboratories, some of which conduct biological research. I'm guessing there are plot holes here due to matters of national security and not wanting to reveal how they know certain things to protect intelligence assets working in foreign countries.
Having worked in virology myself, I know for a stone-cold fact that it only takes one lazy and/or incompetent individual to do something wrong, badly, stupid or maliciously to put other people at risk.
I don't know what lab protocols are like in China and maybe they are good, but I know safety takes a back seat in some industries within China so there's probably a chance their lab protocols are iffy at best. I don't believe it was done maliciously though, but I know that's also a popular idea among some people.
 
Remember how some people said that the COVID vaccine caused your heart to explode or whatever?


Our results are concordant with Kim et al,5 who analyzed data from the Korean registry and found full vaccination was associated with decreased risk of myocardial infarction and ischemic stroke after COVID-19.

While there are limitations in this study, as with most studies, it's yet more evidence that the vaccine isn't causing any major, widespread cardiac issues.
 
Finally got the booster today. Been looking around for the nearest pharmacy that still administered COVID vaccines and there was one about twenty minutes' drive away. There was a... minor queue, and the procedure was relatively painless.

I asked the nurse administering the shots about how things were like lately, and she told me lots of people still come to get the vaccines but she wasn't sure why more places aren't offering the shots.

If I were to hazard a guess... I'd say the lack of funds from our government's side might be the issue. But hey, they are too busy arguing who swindled who in the latest Eskom saga, so...
 
Has anyone here yet received a 3rd booster? They keep pushing that you should get a booster but I don't think they have considered a 5th (or 4th, if J&J) overall vaccination dose.
 
Has anyone here yet received a 3rd booster? They keep pushing that you should get a booster but I don't think they have considered a 5th (or 4th, if J&J) overall vaccination dose.
Yup. I got it as I'm happy with the vaccine.
Not sure if another one will be offered but if it is I'll take it.
I got the flu vaccine on the same day so booster in one shoulder and flu in the other, that was not a fun nights sleep :lol:
 
Has anyone here yet received a 3rd booster? They keep pushing that you should get a booster but I don't think they have considered a 5th (or 4th, if J&J) overall vaccination dose.
Yep had my third a while back. Come to think of it probably due for my 4th. All the booster talk here has gone pretty quiet to be honest.
 
I had my booster last week. Had a sore arm for a few days and felt a tiny bit nauseaus the day after, but I was fine other than that.

I think most of my friends can't be bothered getting their boosters though - lots of people are probably completely over Covid and don't care anymore. If they end up getting a nasty Covid infection though, that's not my problem ¯\(ツ)
 
Well, after nearly 3 years...it finally got me. In hindsight, the wedding in India with zero COVID protocols, with travelers from 4 continents and small party room with zero ventilation was probably pretty high risk.

Despite having 4 COVID shots, it still hit me decently hard - I was out of commission for two days solid with intervals of fever and extreme fatigue. Didn't really develop a bad cough, but I did have upper respiratory congestion and a raging sinus headache. I got a bit of chest tightness after the initial symptoms, but thankfully it wasn't too bad and didn't last.

The worst part is that the symptoms hit me in the second leg of my vacation, in Istanbul, Turkey. I had 1 day there prior to developing symptoms of actually being able to see the city. I did recover enough to at least do a boat cruise on my last day there...it was outdoors so probably pretty low risk. I don't think I was particularly infectious anyways, because we were sharing a hotel with my SO's family (and not being that strict) and nobody else seems to have caught it.

I had signed up for a 60 mile bike race in June (at 5,000ft of elevation, with 6,000ft of climbing) and so I'm hoping I can recover and get back to training for that relatively soon. I feel pretty good today, which is 6 days after my positive test.
 
I had signed up for a 60 mile bike race in June (at 5,000ft of elevation, with 6,000ft of climbing) and so I'm hoping I can recover and get back to training for that relatively soon. I feel pretty good today, which is 6 days after my positive test.
You should be ok by then, just ease into it.
It took me a bit longer than I expected to get back to where I was on the bike.
 
I managed to avoid COVID for two and a half years despite working daily at a sixth form college with 2,000 students coughing, sniffling, snotting all over the place, despite having countless times been a ‘close contact’ of students who tested positive, including one time sitting next to a student on a coach to a geography trip for two hours while they basically coughed all over me and tested positive that evening. I felt invincible. Then I got it twice in six months, both times from my toddler rather than from work. You just can’t tell with it. I wasn’t seriously ill at all, my wife got hit worse than I did despite being younger, thinner and fitter than me, but it did trigger some nasty after effects like ectopic (skipped) heartbeats and then loads of stomach issues.

Looking forward to hopefully avoiding it for another little while now, although if it’s taught me anything, this pandemic, it’s that you can’t make yourself utterly miserable putting your life on hold for it. I couldn’t, anyway. Can only speak for myself. Get well soon to those currently testing positive.
 
The era of COVID emergencies is now done in the US.

 
As with @Eunos_Cosmo I have covid after 3 or so years of not having it.
I also have been vaccinated and boosted and bivalent boosted.
Thing is that I took all the necessary things to help prevent it but I guess just takes one little opening going through airport security to get it.
I felt fine before I left the Philippines on Sunday April 9th. Arrived home on April 9th. Wasn't until Tuesday I felt like crap but I thought it may have been jetlag.
Tested yesterday and confirmed positive.

So far I have random headaches, runny nose sometimes stuffy.
Tired. Sometimes a fever was worse on Tuesday.

Now it's just how can I get better so I can actually get back to work without feeling like this.

So either I have XBB1.5, BA2.75 or XBB.

XBB is currently in the Philippines,
BA2.75 is currently in South Korea.
XBB1.5 is in the US
 
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As with @Eunos_Cosmo I have covid after 3 or so years of not having it.
I also have been vaccinated and boosted and bivalent boosted.
Thing is that I took all the necessary things to help prevent it but I guess just takes one little opening going through airport security to get it.
I felt fine before I left the Philippines on Sunday April 9th. Arrived home on April 9th. Wasn't until Tuesday I felt like crap but I thought it may have been jetlag.
Tested yesterday and confirmed positive.

So far I have random headaches, runny nose sometimes stuffy.
Tired. Sometimes a fever was worse on Tuesday.

Now it's just how can I get better so I can actually get back to work without feeling like this.

So either I have XBB1.5, BA2.75 or XBB.

XBB is currently in the Philippines,
BA2.75 is currently in South Korea.
XBB1.5 is in the US
I mean, my mantra has always been, if you're gonna get Covid, at least get it from a developing nation. :cheers:

Your symptoms appear quite similar to mine, so I'm optimistic you'll have a similarly successful recovery. Hope you feel better soon!
 
I mean, my mantra has always been, if you're gonna get Covid, at least get it from a developing nation. :cheers:

Your symptoms appear quite similar to mine, so I'm optimistic you'll have a similarly successful recovery. Hope you feel better soon!
How long after they start did you start to feel better?
I started my symptoms on Tuesday, they say 3 to 4 days but it feels so long.
 
How long after they start did you start to feel better?
I started my symptoms on Tuesday, they say 3 to 4 days but it feels so long.
I started having a sore throat on a Saturday night, felt kind of generally crappy on Sunday, felt really bad on Monday, felt absolutely awful on Tuesday morning, and started to improve Tuesday afternoon/evening. By Wednesday evening I went for a 1.5 mile walk and by Thursday I was fairly well recovered. Hopefully you'll have a similar arc - but I remember thinking at the time, how long can this possibly last? For what it's worth, I've had mild colds that lingered considerably longer than Covid, so for that I'm thankful. Nyquil and Dayquil warded off my symptoms relatively well. My gf had one less shot than me and was feeling rough for 6 days.
 
There's a new subvariant that is currently being monitored in India that's been dubbed Arcturus. The main difference between Arcturus and other subvariants is that it appears to be showing up in children more and is causing conjunctivitis (aka pink eye).

 
The most recent one is still the bivalent booster right? I'm only aware of the original round of vaccines and the bivalent booster. I'm hearing confusing stuff, but I think it's because old people are getting re-boosted with the bivalent booster at this point.
 
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