oh yeah, definitely scanned, i don't have software to reduce the image size, the original scanned version had too many bytes to upload here, i had to resave it in paint, then crop it to get it to work...any helpful advice on what i did wrong would be welcomed...ok, that didn't make sense, but yall know what i mean...by the way, what i'm working with is windows xp with just the standard paint program, kinda frustrating to work with...