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After responding in LogiForce's thread about how I was faster with my T500 pedals over the CSP I decided to give the CSP another workout. The first thing I noticed was a problem with them lying flat on the ground. Although they were resting against my rigs outer frame every time I pressed the brake to hard they would flop around making it difficult to operate.

So I did a little research on hanging them like a real cars pedals are mounted. In my research I found what I was looking for Here

Even after I reverse mounted the CSP I still am faster with my T500 pedals, but I think if I give the CSP more time I will get as fast or faster then the T500's. I certainly like the feel of the CSP better then the T500's. I did change over the springs for the clutch and the throttle as well.

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I would recommend to at least use the normal pedal for the gas pedal that's in the tuning kit if you've got it. Looks a bit unnatural to me the way it is now (but it looking unnatural doesn't mean when it comes to how it feels under your foot of course).
So are you going to try them for a bit longer to see if you indeed do get different results or...?
Maybe you can post some times later on?
 
IMO they look and feel more natural this way, just like in my car and truck. Of course the camera angle isn't the best, not much room to maneuver. I will give them at least 2 weeks before I make up my mind, as I said I like the feel of the CSP more. Although the throttle pedal is a little too big.

BTW, Fanatec is giving me a free tuning kit for my long delayed order, so Kudos to them for that. They should be here in a week or so?
 
The throttle pedals need to pivot like in a real car, that would help a lot. (where the pad meets the pedal arm) I'm going to try to make a mount for the pedal pad that will allow them to pivot like they should.
 
left888
IMO they look and feel more natural this way, just like in my car and truck. Of course the camera angle isn't the best, not much room to maneuver. I will give them at least 2 weeks before I make up my mind, as I said I like the feel of the CSP more. Although the throttle pedal is a little too big.

BTW, Fanatec is giving me a free tuning kit for my long delayed order, so Kudos to them for that. They should be here in a week or so?
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Thats what I meant with it looking unnatural, not the angle. Although like ^ says, maybe the angle could be a little better of the pedals themselves when you look at it. But if you press them, they go almost vertical so I'd leave them like they are. Dunno about pivoting pedals though... my pedals don't pivot on the levers in my car. :S

I dunno about shipment to where you are, but since I am close to Hamburg (where the storage is) I am getting my stuff within 2 days. So I can't really compare ;)
 
That's strange, I've never seen a throttle pedal that didn't pivot, and I'm a retired GM and Chrysler tech. Maybe you are getting the wrong idea of what I mean by "pivot"?
 
I'm not sure if a pivot would make much difference here, I suppose it wouldn't hurt. I think a smaller throttle pedal would be better though. I would like to see the outcome of your pivoting pedal.

boshuter
The throttle pedals need to pivot like in a real car, that would help a lot. (where the pad meets the pedal arm) I'm going to try to make a mount for the pedal pad that will allow them to pivot like they should.
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I have a 2007 GMC Sierra SLT Crew Cab & a 1997 Buick Park Avenue and both the throttle pedals pivot, in fact every car I've owned has a pivoting throttle pedal. :)

The angle of my pedals seem to work good, the way they look really doesn't bother me, as long as they preform.

I am in Canada, so that's a long ways from Hamburg :) Then there is Canada customs where they can tie up your order for ever if they so choose to. If I am lucky it will be a couple weeks at least.

LogiForce
Thats what I meant with it looking unnatural, not the angle. Although like ^ says, maybe the angle could be a little better of the pedals themselves when you look at it. But if you press them, they go almost vertical so I'd leave them like they are. Dunno about pivoting pedals though... my pedals don't pivot on the levers in my car. :S

I dunno about shipment to where you are, but since I am close to Hamburg (where the storage is) I am getting my stuff within 2 days. So I can't really compare ;)
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boshuter
That's strange, I've never seen a throttle pedal that didn't pivot, and I'm a retired GM and Chrysler tech. Maybe you are getting the wrong idea of what I mean by "pivot"?
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Maybe I do have the wrong idea. I own a Lancia Delta HPE from 1999 and it's pedals are one solid piece of steal including the lever as far as I can see. Nothing moves apart from the whole thing.
So what I think or thought you were referring to is the pedal plate itself pivoting or turning on an axle on top of the lever. This in order that maybe your foot stays flat on the pedal for more grip or something. So am I wrong?
 
left888
I have a 2007 GMC Sierra SLT Crew Cab & a 1997 Buick Park Avenue and both the throttle pedals pivot, in fact every car I've owned has a pivoting throttle pedal. :)

The angle of my pedals seem to work good, the way they look really doesn't bother me, as long as they preform.

I am in Canada, so that's a long ways from Hamburg :) Then there is Canada customs where they can tie up your order for ever if they so choose to. If I am lucky it will be a couple weeks at least.
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I live 3 hours from Hamburg in the Netherlands. I hope you get the kit soon.

Well, all the cars I have driven or sat in had solid pedals.
Volkswagen Polo mk2 Coupe (special edition)
Opel Kadett E 1.6i supreme
Peugeot 306
Nissan Primera
Toyota Carina E
Lancia Delta HPE
Fiat Punto Grande
Ford Escort
Ford Fiesta
Opel Speedster

So I think I might have the wrong idea about pivoting pedals.
 
LogiForce
Maybe I do have the wrong idea. I own a Lancia Delta HPE from 1999 and it's pedals are one solid piece of steal including the lever as far as I can see. Nothing moves apart from the whole thing.
So what I think or thought you were referring to is the pedal plate itself pivoting or turning on an axle on top of the lever. This in order that maybe your foot stays flat on the pedal for more grip or something. So am I wrong?
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That is exactly what I meant. I thought all cars were like that, at least the ones I've been in were (and that's a lot of cars, since I'm 57yrs old, lol).
 
boshuter
That is exactly what I meant. I thought all cars were like that, at least the ones I've been in were (and that's a lot of cars, since I'm 57yrs old, lol).
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These are the pedals in my car, and they don't pivot. The gas pedal's lever is pretty much the same as the clutch. ;)

Funny that an old GM tech doesn't know which pedals there are in Opel cars, which was a part of GM for a long time. I guess GM is too big of a company with too many techs. The European stuff must have stayed hear mainly I reckon.
 
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It doesn't work that way here, we don't have "GM" dealerships. There are different dealerships for all the different divisions of GM. The one I worked in sold Chevrolet and Oldsmobile, we couldn't sell Buick (which was the division that handled Opel) or Cadillac or Pontiac or any other GM product. We couldn't even do warranty work on cars from divisions we didn't have the franchise for.

Other than the Fords you mentioned, I doubt you could even find another of those cars you listed anywhere around here. You don't have to believe me, but our cars do have pivoting pedals to keep the pedal flat to the drivers foot throughout it's travel. There is a spring on the backside of the pedal to keep it in it's "at rest" position.


Edit: I finally found a pic of what I'm talking about. This shows the pivot point and the little spring that holds the pedal in position.

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Anyway, the way the Fanatec pedal is made would make a pivot there very helpful if you are using the long full size pedal. With the small pedal, I doubt the pivoting feature would be much use.
 
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Can't remember my Chrysler PT Cruiser rental car, which I had in the states, having a pedal like that , but that is indeed a different kind of pedal.
Never knew Opel was connected to the Buick division. The cars don't even look alike. Heh

It will be interesting to see what kind of pivoting system you can come up with to make it work with the CSP. :)
 
boshuter
The throttle pedals need to pivot like in a real car, that would help a lot. (where the pad meets the pedal arm) I'm going to try to make a mount for the pedal pad that will allow them to pivot like they should.
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At least when mounting inverted, I think you may need to lengthen the thottle arm, or something to that effect, to get the pivot point where it needs to be in relation to the the brake and clutch pedals. Good luck, I think your idea is a good one. Keep us posted.👍

Scotty

EDIT: Possible ill effect on heel 'n toe ?? I dunno
 
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LogiForce
Never knew Opel was connected to the Buick division. The cars don't even look alike. Heh
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Same thing with Fiat and Chrysler, can't ever find a resemblance! :lol:

I would be willing to bet that the pivoting throttle is only on American cars. I've seen it on my friend's GMC before. Don't think any other countries do it though.

I have my pedals hanging at a 35 degree angle. (About) Really makes a difference from the floor mount, and I love them a thousand times more than I already did!
 
Would be nice if I had something to bolt my CSPs to so I can invert them :sick:

That's what I like bout my T500rs pedals. They come with everything u need to quickly invert them. One of these days I plan to do a head-to-head but bah whats the point these CSPs are worlds better technically in every way. And I dont think inverting my pedals will improve my times. so not a high priority

[edit] That looks very good too me man GJ! Just like how you had the inverted t500rs pedals mounted. Yeah compare your times in a PC sim that supports brake vibration like iRacing or rFactor. This brake vibration has rerally helped me to learn new cars in iRacing.
 
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sandboxgod
This brake vibration has rerally helped me to learn new cars in iRacing.
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So it's like I said a few times in the past I reckon?
Hopefully someone will make a nice inversion kit in the future.
 
I like this thread. ;)
Every car/ truck i have owned from a 63 chevy biscayne to my wifes 10 sahara have had that pivot in the pedal. I was thinking something about sim pedals. It keeps your foot flat on the pedal throughout the whole travel while keeping your heel planted with less fatigue in the leg. In high speed throttle control im not sure if it would be useful or noticeable. And the heel/toe downside is something to think about aswell. Potentially.

Subscribing, this is my kind of conversation.


Edit: left, very similar to what i have in my setup. Pedal angle and height really depends on seat type and angle. The way your feet sit may be exactly the same as mine even though heights and angles are different.
 
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Just how does the brake vibration work in iRacing or rFactor? I have tried the test vibration in the CSP config panel and that's about it, can you tell me more about this feature.


sandboxgod
Yeah compare your times in a PC sim that supports brake vibration like iRacing or rFactor. This brake vibration has rerally helped me to learn new cars in iRacing.
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I think your pedal angle is far to steep for my liking, mine are very comfortable to use so there is no need for any modification.
 
iRacing CSP pedal vibration: http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/1477397.page

rFactor has a brake vibration mod too but haven't installed myself since I haven't had time to mess around in rFactor yet with them. Hoping I get a chance shortly

[edit] I think it is called "PorscheWheelPlugin.dll" for rFactor but all I'm reading is complaints bout it. Sounds like it's not worth looking into.
 
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Cool looking plugin, I will give it a try. Thanks for the link sandbox.
 
I like that plugin, if only the vibration motor on the CSP had more power. The plugin works very well.
 
left888
I like that plugin, if only the vibration motor on the CSP had more power. The plugin works very well.
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I am sure there is a way to replace the weight of the motor or the entire motor for that matter. As long as you know how much power you can use.

Hmm, just looked but can't find any specs. Maybe Thomas can help out with how much power you can draw. Voltage and Amps.
The other things you'll have to do is make a new clamp if the new motor is bigger. Also make sure to wrap it in rubberized foam to get rid of any vibration noise, like the motor that is used already. The last thing you need to do is see how much weight you want on that axle (use half weights only. So half circles). You need to keep in mind the diameter of the weights so they can rotate freely, as well as the length of the axle. Plus the power of the motor. A motor with too little power will cause the thing to rotate and vibrate poorly, too much however and you won't feel enough vibration. Also the longer the axle the more it can flex and or bent over time. Also keep in mind the axle diameter when purchasing the weights.

So in steps:
Pick motor
Pick weights
Get some foam
Make a bracket.
Put the stuff together
Solder two wires
Test
Adjust weight if needed
Test again
Repeat or when fine have fun.
 
Didn't expect to say that but I don't like the CSPs reversed. The angle of the pedals is is not correct at all...
 
ilonioum
Didn't expect to say that but I don't like the CSPs reversed. The angle of the pedals is is not correct at all...
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They feel very natural however, that's all that matters to me. If they were not comfortable I would not use them. BTW have you tried them reversed?
 

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