Daily Driver by Weekday, Racer by Weekend

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Originally posted by Klostrophobic
Why not get one that is faster than 100% of its class?

I said 'probably.' I don't consider myself an expert on the midsize truck segment in the mid-1980s, so it might have actually been faster than 100% of its class - who knows? I don't even know what engine was in it, though given Jeep's liberal use of its 4.0-liter inline-6, I'd bet anything it was that, and that's not a particularly quick engine (but then again, who says competitors were any better?).
 
Jeeps I6 is pretty quick, if you ask me. Not many normal cars can keep up, and for a truck that's pretty good. I beat a Camaro once in mine.
 
Originally posted by milefile
Jeeps I6 is pretty quick, if you ask me. Not many normal cars can keep up, and for a truck that's pretty good. I beat a Camaro once in mine.

Considering its age, it's quick as hell - the current Grand Cherokee 4.0 does 0-60 in about 8.6 with that engine and Wranglers do it about a second slower. But that engine was lapped for refinement some time ago. Until the Liberty, it had been used in every Jeep model since its creation, but it's destined to be phased out with a new Grand Cherokee sure to use the same 3.7-4.7-5.7 combination as the Durango. Wrangler will still use it, but not many people buy new Wranglers anymore.

Still - that engine's in millions of vehicles and though it wasn't particularly reliable until the mid-90s, it gets the job done. But not in the Comanche.
 
My first Cherokee had a "high output" 4.0 I6. My current one is not "high output". Do you know the difference? I don't
 
My buddy had a Jeep Grand Cherokee ('95?) with the I6 and it was an absolute dog on the highway; a 4-cyl Volvo 940 wagon had more passing punch.
 
Originally posted by milefile
My first Cherokee had a "high output" 4.0 I6. My current one is not "high output". Do you know the difference? I don't

One of two things - it either referred to a slight power gain over the base engine, or it was just a badge they used for a while. I'd be inclined to go with the first option though because they currently claim the 265-horsepower 4.7L V8 (standard in the Grand Cherokee Overland; optional in the Grand Cherokee Limited and Grand Cherokee Columbia Edition) is "high output" while the 235-horsepower version of the same engine doesn't get that badge.

On that, the "high output" 4.7 is quick as hell - ConsumerGuide's quoted 0-60 in 7.0 seconds with an Overland means it's the fourth-quickest SUV on the market.
 
I'd like to revive this topic in case anyone wants to talk about daily drivers that also become race cars. Is your daily driver also a race car? Can you rule the roads and the track with the same car? Go ahead and reply.

I think in the past, people drove their cars to the track for racing. Don't expect that for Le Mans prototypes or Formula One machinery, though. Anyhow, daily drivers turned racers turned daily drivers again. Reply, please.
 
JohnBM01
Let's say that you own a 2004 Honda Accord 2-door. You have this lovely Honda as a daily driver with 240 horsepower and front-drive. When you decide to take this to the local road course or Autocross circuit, you think about modding this car. Now before you think I'm talking about "ricing out" this Accord, don't think that. Now let's say that this is what you equip your 2004 Accord two door with: GT Wing, racing muffler, sport tires, roll cage, urethane front bumper, lighter front hood, urethane rear bumper, and you may even put in a supercharger. You mod your car so that you get performance upgrades and not turning your car into a Lowrider or a tuner car. You have a stylish car to take around town and to work.
Acutally My brother has 04 ex v6 sedan avvord. :D
 
M5Power
Considering its age, it's quick as hell - the current Grand Cherokee 4.0 does 0-60 in about 8.6 with that engine and Wranglers do it about a second slower. But that engine was lapped for refinement some time ago. Until the Liberty, it had been used in every Jeep model since its creation, but it's destined to be phased out with a new Grand Cherokee sure to use the same 3.7-4.7-5.7 combination as the Durango. Wrangler will still use it, but not many people buy new Wranglers anymore.

Still - that engine's in millions of vehicles and though it wasn't particularly reliable until the mid-90s, it gets the job done. But not in the Comanche.

The Comanche was the fastest compact pickup truck at the time. Not surprising really, when in '87 the Ranger's top engine was a 2.9L V6 with 140hp, the Dakota's was a 3.9L V6 with 125hp and the S-10/S-15's was a 125hp 2.8L V6. All the while the Comanche had the 4.0L I6 (in non-HO format; I'll explain it later for milefile), good for 177hp. In fact, the competition needed until 1992 to beat the non-HO's 177 ponies. By that time the High Output version debuted, with 190hp.

As for the 4.0L on the whole, it isn't meant for speed. Never was, really. With poorly designed heads, and saddled with pushrods, it'll never see high rpm action. It's optimized for low-end power.

As for the differences between the original non-HO, HO, and later non-HO (aka Power Tech) versions of the engine, the biggest ones, between the '87-'90 and '91-'95, were the heads and the electronics. The '91-'01 received new higher-flowing heads by means of raised ports. The '87-'90's also had a 'Renix' fuel injection system, a mish-mash of Renault and Bendix electronics. It's very...different..compared to most electronic fuel injection systems on a very basic level. Sensors and the like used very different signal voltages than most EFI systems. Not that this is bad, it's just... different. None of this really matters though, because the Renix injection proved to be relatively rickety compared to the '91-'01's Mopar EFI. This was complemented by a new Mopar computer which could store and allow access to error codes.

With the new heads and fuel injection, adding 13hp to the bottomline, Chrysler named the new version "High Output" simply because it made more power than its previous iteration. The next big changes happened in '96, with new piston skirts to reduce noise (which is one of the 4.0L's biggest 'problems'; I think it gives it character) and changes to the main bearings. No changes in power though.

In '97 peak power and torque were numerically the same, but came at lower rpm due to new timing. It didn't really change the overall response of the engine. In the late '90s-early '00s the block was reinforced with some new ribbing, and the old distributor was dumped in favour of a DIS.

So milefile, there aren't really many appreciable differences between my '93 Cherokee's HO 4.0L and yours' non-HO. Just the name.
 
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