That's just what I meant, I didn't say it was totally illegal. I said it was illegally designed, which may mean one or more parts. "Completely illegal" would have to be a direct copy.
Now that's semantics of the highest order. Dress it up all you like and throw technicalities of language in if you like, the point remains that you keep referring to the McLaren car as being illegal. This is despite the FIA investigation and the entire case (including every document from it) clearly and categorically stating that no proof of this exists.
Would you mind referring us to the exact (credible) source that proves any of the Ferrari technical data was used on the McLaren car. As the FIA was singularly unable to do so in the entire process. You are referring to the car as illegal without a single piece of evidence to back that claim up.
Correct. They had no certain proof. But the point is, they don't have certain proof on the fuel thing either so at most the teams should lose the points from Brazil.
Trying to link it (in regards to proof) to the fuel temp issue is simply a distraction, as (unlike the Ferrari / McLaren issue) all the evidence for this is not yet in the public domain. We can talk about the 'spying' issue with a much, much greater degree of certainty because formal statements have been issued, transcripts have been released and some of the finest engineering mind in motorsport have written about the technical detail involved. This is not yet the case in regard to the fuel issue.
While they were identical to every other track, how is it possible that nobody seemed to know the temperature for sure? They published two pretty much differing temperatures, one of which rendered the fuel temperatures legal. Considering this I find it a bit odd that there is such a strong urge to disqualify the cars. They should be innocent until proved otherwise but it doesn't look like that now.
Again the whole range of information has not yet been put out to the public yet, so we can't say for sure what is or is not correct. In regards to them being innocent until proven guilty, that totally contradicts your position on the legality of the McLaren car, as you are finding them guilty with no evidence at all. You need to take a position on this and stick to it, not simple argue the point that suits the result you want. To say that the McLaren car is illegal with no evidence to prove so and then say that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise on the fuel side of this just smacks of hypocrisy.
I'm not exactly ignoring the fact that the same methology was used for every team. What if these guys were the only ones to use fuel cooled down near the limits? It doesn't automatically make them cheaters, unless it can be completely proved.
Even the judges decided not to punish the teams, as there was no proof of illegal temperatures. It's just that McLaren tries everything even remotely possible to get the championship they lost on the track.
Again you are making a judgement without full of the facts, enough doubt exists for this to be looked into and we need to and until all the evidence is in place no judgement can be reached.
I also refer you back to by point on the burden of proof, and if you are adamant that people are innocent until proven guilty, that you will now stop referring to the McLaren car as being illegal (or offer documented proof that they used the Ferrari data and technology on the car).
Regards
Scaff
