Day Of Infamy

[TB]

Way to be an asshole and take things out of context.

I've voiced my point of view, and apparently you don't have the brains to accept my opinion.

You're not even worth the effort.

 

[Evolution.]

Then why even post?

Anyways, I'll gladly accept PM's now if anybody part of the argument wants to go on.

 

[Pupik]

I've voiced my point of view...

With all due respect...now you know. End of side discussion!

 

[a6m5]

I lived in Hawaii for some time and frequented the Pearl Harbor Memorial. It's a sobering sight to say the least. No offense by any means to anyone but it's awkward to see war vets weeping at the memorial while groups of Japanese tourists are taking pictures of the memorial. It just didn't seem right to me when I was a kid, and in some ways that image still doesn't settle well.

I see what you are saying. From my point of view, however, that is beautiful.

In the early 40's, all Japan and America wanted to do was kill each other. I've been to the Atomic Bomb exhibit. I still sometimes think about the horrible way these people went. But in the world I live in, we have moved on. We are friends. Pako, you could visit Hiroshima(I don't know, to visit Mazda or something), take pictures of the memorials over there without the people throwing rocks at you!


Plus, you have big guns.

Edit: I've been sick, staying home for last couple of days. When I talked to my coworker on the phone this morning, the word at my work is that I'm out celebrating the attack on Pearl...... Maybe I should take the rest of the week off.

 

[Sakiale]

I knew about it and I was still 12 3 days ago

PS--MachOne, stop being an arrogant @#$%@ and other people, stop harrassing the arrogant @#$%^. It's not his fault he's an idiot.

 

[Evolution.]

I knew about it and I was still 12 3 days ago

PS--MachOne, stop being an arrogant @#$%@ and other people, stop harrassing the arrogant @#$%^. It's not his fault he's an idiot.

Then why even post?

Anyways, I'll gladly accept PM's now if anybody part of the argument wants to go on.

 

[Tornado]

Has it really been 65 years? Wow.
My respect goes towards those who both died and lived on that horrible day.
Guys? Take it somewhere else. This is certainly not the place for it, and I find it highly disrespectful.

 

[Pako]

I see what you are saying. From my point of view, however, that is beautiful.

In the early 40's, all Japan and America wanted to do was kill each other. I've been to the Atomic Bomb exhibit. I still sometimes think about the horrible way these people went. But in the world I live in, we have moved on. We are friends. Pako, you could visit Hiroshima(I don't know, to visit Mazda or something), take pictures of the memorials over there without the people throwing rocks at you!


Plus, you have big guns.

Edit: I've been sick, staying home for last couple of days. When I talked to my coworker on the phone this morning, the word at my work is that I'm out celebrating the attack on Pearl...... Maybe I should take the rest of the week off.

That is certainly a better perspective and one that I can clearly see!

 

[Gil]

This has been the first time in many years that I haven't really thought much about the attack on Pearl Harbor.

It did go to show that America is a lot like a Lion laying under a tree.
First, the cubs start picking at his tail, and toes, and being a general annoyance. Then the lioness starts telling him to get off his lazy butt, and hunt some food. Then the jackals and hyenas start messing with him, and stealing food from his domain.
Then one day the Lion get's up starts slapping hyenas, jugular biting jackals, and cuffing lion cubs alongside the head. Till everyone gets the message that a resting Lion is best left alone.
He leave Mrs Lion alone, till she comes into heat.

I still get a little "misty" when I think about Lebanon, Grenada, and the Space Shuttle Challenger.
For those of you that collect "Time" magazine: The April 84 issues talk alot about Lebanon. One article ends With WS Sims (FF1059) firing on the Lebanese and the immortal words "and the guns fell silent".
I was there, the guns "fell silent" because the shell carriage was broken, and the damn thing kept dropping shells set for "point det" (detonate on impact)on the deck.
I was listening in on the intercom between the bridge, and the turret. Scary crap.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

I've always wondered how the war would've turned out if the Pearl Harbor attack never happened. Think about it: Hitler came close to winning it as it was, what would've happened if we entered it at a later date?

 

[YSSMAN]

It has been a long, strange, trip hasn't it? Now 65 years later and the world has been turned upside down, and tipped over. You cannot, nay, shall not, forget the memory of those who fought and died on this day. These men truly were a part of the "Greatest Generation," and it is so sad that so many Americans wouldn't stand up to the plate as they did to protect their country.

If anything, Pearl Harbor was a lesson tour our country that we must always expect the unexpected, and unfortunately, we don't always remember that. If anything, 9/11 was the "modern" Pearl Harbor for our generation. Only that time it wasn't necessarily an attack solely on America, but the free world as a whole.

...From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition...

God Bless America

 

[Philly]

Amen.

The japanese heralded it as their greates military achievement. Most.
Yamamoto: "I fear that all we have done is to wake a sleeping giant."
They did just that.

It was tough going, but we successfully thwarted a strike on our nation it what probably was one of the most spectacular wars to date.

The ending of "the geatest generation" is really tearing me apart. We will no longer have first had experiences from a real mouth, only what has been filmed. I'm very lucky to have lived in a time that overlaps their lifespan.

HERE"S TO THOSE WHO FOUGHT BRAVELY IN THE FACE OF TYRANNY IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR!!

 

[a6m5]

The japanese heralded it as their greates military achievement. Most.

Really? I was under the impression that was the Battle of Tsushima.

Casualties(from wiki):
Japan - 117 dead, 583 injured, 3 torpedo boats sunk
Russia - 4380 dead, 5917 captured 21 ships sunk, 7 captured, 6 disarmed

 

[Speedy Samurai]

Really? I was under the impression that was the Battle of Tsushima.

Casualties(from wiki):
Japan - 117 dead, 583 injured, 3 torpedo boats sunk
Russia - 4380 dead, 5917 captured 21 ships sunk, 7 captured, 6 disarmed

Indeed, Japan's success in the Sino-Japanese war at the end of the 19th century and it's success in the Russian-Japanese war in 1904-1905, along with Japan's almost unimpeded progress in greater south east asia in the '30s, is probably where Japan developed the 'over-confidence' to contemplate an attack on a country like America. And Japan and its civilians paid dearly for that militaristic over-confidence.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Although I'm only 17 years old, never had any kind of history lessons of this day(s), I'd still like to show my respect for the people who died that day.

 

[Greycap]

Oh my... I made a thread to remember the war veterans and those who paid the highest price.

And it turned into a war itself, a flaming war.

Good to see that there are still people who know about these things and respect the brave men though. 👍

- R -

 

[Swift]

Although I'm only 17 years old, never had any kind of history lessons of this day(s), I'd still like to show my respect for the people who died that day.

Excellent statement. 👍

 

[Bram Turismo]

Oh my... I made a thread to remember the war veterans and those who paid the highest price.

And it turned into a war itself, a flaming war.

Good to see that there are still people who know about these things and respect the brave men though. 👍

- R -

Agreed, firstly of all that discussion never had to take place in this thread, which led to a ban as well, it took away all the attention to what the thread really was made for 👎

 

[Swift]

Agreed, firstly of all that discussion never had to take place in this thread, which led to a ban as well, it took away all the attention to what the thread really was made for 👎

To some degree it did. But it also showed the level of ignorance the average American has about their own history. I'm not talking age here, I just mean average American.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Was he American? I didn't knew that

 

[Swift]

Was he American? I didn't knew that

Of course. I'm sure there are important holidays in British, Spanish, Mexican, Canadian and other histories that I have no clue about. But I'm not a citiazen of those other countries.

 

[Pupik]

Was he American? I didn't knew that

Likewise, I wasn't criticizing any non-American members who didn't know the significance of the day.

MachOne has a habit of posting smugly irrelevant posts, so I sort of started it. But I didn't call names.

 

[Matt R]

I saw picture in the Atlanta Journal Constitution today where an 89 year old man was paying what would probably be his last respects. It had a picture of him feeling the engraved letters of his best friend who died that day many years ago.

It made me feel for that man so much.

 

[GT4_Rule]

I come to the discussion late. But its important to me as a person who lived there prior to moving.

65 years...so quick, yet so long eh. The Japanese government hardly teaches this subject. Even 65 years later, censorship is still rampant in Japanese textbooks. Its disgusting.

The only reason I knew of this event when I was 9 was because I read historical books published independently. The government needs to stop censoring the textbooks and teach what really happened to the young people who are their future.

 

[a6m5]

I come to the discussion late. But its important to me as a person who lived there prior to moving.

65 years...so quick, yet so long eh. The Japanese government hardly teaches this subject. Even 65 years later, censorship is still rampant in Japanese textbooks. Its disgusting.

The only reason I knew of this event when I was 9 was because I read historical books published independently. The government needs to stop censoring the textbooks and teach what really happened to the young people who are their future.

Did you stay in Japan long enough to study history in school over there, Edwin? For some reason, I thought you moved out of there before that.

While I'm fully aware of the criticism Japanese history text books receive, I'd be shocked if they didn't teach what actually happened regarding Pearl Harbor.

Also, as you've studied about Pearl Harbor outside the school, as you are already aware, most Japanese kids learn this stuff, and more outside of school. At least when I lived there, if you are learning what they teach you in school, you are behind.

I saw picture in the Atlanta Journal Constitution today where an 89 year old man was paying what would probably be his last respects. It had a picture of him feeling the engraved letters of his best friend who died that day many years ago.

It made me feel for that man so much.

I'm hearing that this year's ceremony just might be the last one to be held, since most of the survivors are nearing age of 90 or over, and it is getting harder for them to fly in and attend.

 

[F1GTR]

Here are some pics I found:

 

[Matt R]

Those of us not there to witness that day can't even begin to understand the gravity of those pictures.

 

[Tornado]

While I'm fully aware of the criticism Japanese history text books receive, I'd be shocked if they didn't teach what actually happened regarding Pearl Harbor.

If I recall correctly, German history books hardly mention the war at all.

 

[a6m5]

If I recall correctly, German history books hardly mention the war at all.

First of all, what were you doing with German history books?

But seriously, I give credit to both Japan and Germany for living up to be couple of the most peaceful nations in the world today(with some help, of course ). But you would think that, if we don't learn about, and from our past, same mistake might get repeated again in the future.

I have so much more to say, but since this is a Pearl Harbor thread, I'll save it for another time, another thread.