Death to the "tuner car"....please?

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After reading one of the various lists, I'm hoping the game isn't littered with "tuner" cars. I say, remove the tuner cars in GT4. I feel they are just cheater cars for normal car races. I know this is an unpopular view, but there's always a unique car in the GT series that gets the boot in favor of another version of the 350Z, the S2000, or the 15 versions of the GT-R.

Sure, I have no problem with them in real-life, but in a video game where you personally get to tune the cars yourself, having a tuner car (which usually can't even get more power nor control than the fully-modded "normal" version of the same car), is rather pointless.

They played almost no part in GT1, cropped up in GT2, and continued their stay into GT3....it appears there will be even more in GT4, if these lists and screenshot views are to be believed.

Your thoughts on the inclusion or exclusion of "tuner cars"?
 
Originally posted by pupik
I feel they are just cheater cars for normal car races.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Tuner cars = Cheater. You caught me laughing.

But anyways, they are not even near as cheating as the F1 cars count. And theres a way to solve that problem. Don't use them. I use a Tuner Car when I need it. Not to dominiate.
 
As long as they have plenty of the cars I like I don't care much. I remember liking the Mines R33 in GT2, and that was about it for the tuner cars. In GT3 I like the Nismo 400R, mostly for that cool stripe. But it's the only tuner car I ever use.

I don't know for sure but it seems like all the Japanese tuner cars are for the 15 year olds who read Ricer magazines and think it's cool to be able to talk about obscure things like it makes them cool. Whatever floats their boat I guess. I am personally looking forward to a Bentley Speed 8.
 
No, using a tuner car isn't quite like using an F1 car...but let's face it, a tuner verison of a car in the game is another car that got shut-out from GT3 or 4.

Besides, it's more fun to tune-it-yourself, don't you think?
 
Originally posted by pupik
Besides, it's more fun to tune-it-yourself, don't you think?
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Indeed it is. But you still can tune em even more they they already are.
 
Originally posted by pupik
No, using a tuner car isn't quite like using an F1 car...but let's face it, a tuner verison of a car in the game is another car that got shut-out from GT3 or 4.

Besides, it's more fun to tune-it-yourself, don't you think?
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Some tuner cars add tuning that cannot be done with the standard tuning options. Just look at the spoon civic for example. I like tuned cars with CF parts and fairly nice looking bodykits, nothing completely outrageous, but I don't like ricers like that damn Trial Celica IN GT4:P, massive chrome wheels, stupid decals, un-needed spoiler etc etc. And as for tuning the car yourself, well all your doing is clicking on some icons to install the parts. I mean you can change the settings and all anyway. Don't get me wrong though, I do like buying a car adding all the parts and then spending time setting up suspension, gear-ratios, lsd, downforce etc.

If you don't like tuner cars, don't use them. But seeing how popular they are, especially with the Japanese I doubt they will get rid of them.
 
I haven't eaten my breakfast yet (take a look at the time this thread was posted), so let me make this quick.

I don't mind the tuner cars. And what would you think about other non-Japanese tuner cars? I mean, think of the SVT Cobra, the Kenny Brown CSR Mustang, and what about AMG and Alpina? Keep in mind, tuner cars aren't all Japanese. Let's not go into that stereotype. Personally, I don't use them unless I want to get an advantage in a specific car field (for example, a Spoon Civic Type-R in a Honda Civic race). Gran Turismo 4 will feature maybe 500 or more than 500 cars, and it doesn't mean that just because these few cars out of 500+ are included doesn't mean that you have to race EACH ONE. I actually think it provides more variety. Variety and parity in ANY racing game is always good. And Gran Turismo 4 will be no different.

By the way, you can race a 600+ hp Skyline tuned by Mine's. If you can't appreciate that, you're not a real car fan, considering the Skyline's popularity and power.
 
Originally posted by JohnBM01


By the way, you can race a 600+ hp Skyline tuned by Mine's. If you can't appreciate that, you're not a real car fan, considering the Skyline's popularity and power.
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Just stop. Pa-leeze.
 
I hope lots of tuner cars are in, especially the Amuse S2000, the Technopro Spirit MR-S.

They are fun for a quick romp with something else than the usual standard cars.
 
If you take out tuner cars you might as well take out rally cars, F1 cars, and any type of fantacy LM car. Having the tuner cars in GT2 was an eye opener and it added to the game, Why take away. Something for every one is better than making people happy by not adding thnigs. Once again if there is somehting in the game you dont like you dont have to use them or race aginst them.

Add add add is better thatn subtract subtract subtract.
 
Part of the appeal of Tuner cars is that they add something to the car - they make it not only faster or better looking, but the really good ones add balance and driveability. I'm starting to appreciate this more and more, and some of the tuner cars are just great to drive.

Don't ever think they take the place of a normal car. The attractive part of a tuner car from the developer point of view is that they are a lot less work to add to a game -they are usually only marginally different from their original from a graphics and audio point of view and the performance difference is just a matter of adjusting some settings.
 
Right Arwin. NISMO, STI, TRD, MOPAR(asumming the SRT-4 is in) , AMG, RUF, Mazdaspeed. All have a major impact to the funfactor of the game. And none of them hurt the gameplay. Come on now the 400R is a bad ass car and the only Skyline i ever liked other than the R31 GT-R.
 
Wel its true what most of you said ad I agree, people do have there opinion but just saying, "I dont want them in cuz I dont like them" is a dumb excuse... if you dont like it dont use it, that goes for bikes, trucks, suvs, tunner cars etc... dont use what you dont want to use..Tuner cars add a bit more of a spark, something unique and entertaining more for the fun factor, a car thats more than ordinary, something with power and looks good... if they brought back the Mods for each car then it would be great... but then again "tuner cars" are like having Mods, but they just maked is as a totally diffrent car.. to me anwyays... Its great to have everything as real and accurate as possible but remember one thing this is a game and PD wants everyone happy not just one person, so please before you talk about removing or not adding something you dont like doesnt mean others wont like it eaither, and remember this game isnt for you its for everyone around the world...
 
Originally posted by Rport03
if you dont like it dont use it, that goes for bikes, trucks, suvs, tunner cars etc...
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I agree with all of that exept for the bikes, bikes and cars do not blend, and in any seriouse game it shouldn't even be attempted. Even if people like bikes, they still shouldn't ever be welcomed in a GT game, Gran Turismo is for cars, there is nothing even bike relateted in motor car racing, you do see different types of cars race, you do see estates racing hatchbacks and coupes, you never see bikes in their as well.
 
Yeah I like cars, bikes are cool as well, but together in GT4? No thanks!

They'd have to do a major physics change to implement bikes realistically anyway & then what about falling off? Couldn't see it working in GT4.
 
The only Tuner car I'd love to see in GT4 is 4Rotary Scoot's RX7.

other than that, i prefer to tune the car my self to my own habit of driving.
 
For cars that you "tune" yourself, I love. But the cars that are a little more "tuned" than normal cars, I could care less about. They often show up too late in the game for me to really care about, or use. The only good thing about them is you get a lot of credits once you sell them.
 
Originally posted by Rx7Ownz
The only Tuner car I'd love to see in GT4 is 4Rotary Scoot's RX7.

other than that, i prefer to tune the car my self to my own habit of driving.
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Yeh, that would be a fun car to have in GT4. God, that car is fast!!!


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Tunercars= Ok to drive and simply more to me, EYECANDY IN YOUR GARAGE.
 
I'll have to second the post above that said something to the effect of, "if you don't like 'em, don't race 'em."
 
I don't care if they are there or not. I plan on racing and, if the garage is big enough, own every car in GT4. Just like I did in GT3:cheers:
 
I think as an update to this topic, there will be this tuner Honda S2000, a Toyota Celica tuned by Trial, the mid-engined 350Z S-Tune, and stuff like that. Personally, I don't mind the tuner cars. It just gives you a car to race with, even if you don't have the money to buy one yourself.

And I mean, almost ANY car can be a "cheater." How do you feel in Polyphony Digital Cup when you raced against Vipers, Mustang Cobra R's, and the like? Hell, I brought a TVR Speed 12 to the party and won the Tokyo race (I still want to save Polyphony for last after finishing the other Pro races. So you can't tell me that these cars are "cheaters."

Now I think that as long as they aren't race-modified, they shoudln't be considered race cars. They are as normal as anything. GT3 did have an interesting situation. I took a tuner version of the Skyline R32 (I think it was) to the PD Cup, my entry was denied. So there may be some limitations to what tuners can actually ENTER races. Meanwhile, Team Gran Turismo is still "scouting," I guess you can say, for new cars to put into the game, even if it means 20 Lancers or 50 Civics. I think it's variety. Some may not agree with me, but I think it's variety. You can have a normal street car, or a street car created from an evil labatory that can scare the hell out of anything which daresay it can't win races.
 
I reckon its the best part of the game (on of the high points at least). The cars that we all read about from tuning houses in Japan (and all over the place) such as Mines, Top Secret, it makes it ultra awesome to race them. If I had it my way, I'd get rid of all the boring stock cars (as apposed to sports/performance cars) such as a standard BMW 3 series, Peugeot 206 etc etc and have just famous race cars, lots of tuner cars and sports/performance cars such as the lancia deltra Integrali (sp?) etc etc.

Tuning cars/ Race cars is what makes the game exciting after playing it and finishing it (for me anyway).

I hope GT4 has lots of lod 60's,70's,80's race cars. Some even older ones would be awesome (are you listening PD?) :lol:
 
Not too long ago there was an interview with Kazunori Yamauchi and GT4 in GMR Magazine. He basically explained why it's important to include tuner cars in GT4.

GMR: What sorts of differences do you see between the Japanese and American tuning markets? They make a lot of games in Japan incorporating aftermarket parts and drifting, and that seems to be picking up in the U.S.

KY: It is very difficult right now to evaluate where the differences would be. What I know so far from the input that is available--for insance, The Fast and the Furious-- is that it took off here in the States and is very big, but I don't know how that falls into place in the industry itself. So I am very curious to find out. As far as I have perceived so far--one of the examples you gave was drifting--we have many subcultures in the car industry in Japan, many of which are very narrow but deep. How that [changes] when it comes to the States is an unknown factor, but I think it will be a wider audience in comparison to Japan, and I'm curious to know where it will go in the future. A very good example, again, would be The Fast and the Furious. In Japan, like I explained, that kind of underground culture would be very narrow and deep. It would not be possible in Japan to make a movie based on street racing and have it be a major movie in the movie industry. Not because it's illegal, but because not many people are interested. It's a very small, narrow market.

GMR: The original focus of GT was to offer a wide selection of cars, but it didn't concentrate so much on the tuning. In the United States, customizing is everything. Gran Turismo doesn't let you mess with much of that stuff.

KY: This has been an area that my team and I have always wanted to do since the first GT. For instance, when players continue to modify cars, some cars have the LM version--that was like the final stage of modification. Right now, my team and I are still trying to tackle that task for GT4. It is a very difficult task.

GMR: Does it become more difficult to accomplish all these little features with so many cars to choose from? Where do you place your restrictions? When do you say, "This is as far as we're going to go"?

KY: Well, looking at the grand total list of more than 500 cars, in the real world, consumers who look at those cars don't necessarily tend to modify, say, a minivan. So, we will concentrate more on those cars that have a demand for modification for obvious reasons. That could be an area that will help us draw the line.
 
The problem with that line of thought is that, as said before, each tuner car is potentially a cooler car that got left out (although that's hard to imagine with 700 of them).

Not to say I don't like them though. For example, I love my GT-R R-Tune. I got it all set up for rallys, and have those big red rims for it...these so-called tuner cars can be quite fantastic.

However, I do think we should take out a few of those base models. Do we really need 30 different Lancers to chose from? c'mon, seriously now...
 
Heh, and you think I make the long posts... anyhow, back to business. If you ask me, I'd want to use tuner cars and I'll tell you why. To me, it doesn't matter if a 276 Japanese beast is tuned up to 450hp with all-wheel drive, or a midship engine... only as long as it is street legal. I mean, the same goes for if you raced Camaros and Mustangs. I can recall the Yenko Camaros of the 60s, the Shelby Mustangs, the Boss 302... I know they aren't like tuner cars of today, but still. Take a car, tune it, make it perform, you got a tuner/mod. What's the point of saying saying they are "cheating" cars. That's like saying that you can race the Pennzoil Skyline in a non-Special car (meaning, no race modifications or special models) Nissan Skyline series. I say bring them on. If I wanted to cheat (and I hardly ever do), I'd pick up a GameShark.
 
Originally posted by Sven
The problem with that line of thought is that, as said before, each tuner car is potentially a cooler car that got left out (although that's hard to imagine with 700 of them).
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Potentially, yes but not the case. PD only has so many license's to put certain cars into GT4, they will have more licences than time and/or space to include them all, but none of the unique, rare or popular cars would be let out for anything let alone a tuners car, they might replace another standard version of another car or even the same model but they wouldn't replace something like the say R390 for arguments sake or the VIper SRT 10.
 
If you're having a car that is an eye catcher at Import Car Shows and a dominator on the track (is that possible?), then I'm pretty sure the only licensing and legal stuff has to be from the tuner and the car company or companies he/she ripped from (for example, if an Accord has Skyline taillights and a Supra rear wing). But I'm sure this is not the tuners being mentioned. Maybe something along the lines of an SVT Focus, maybe if Nismo tuned a Silvia S15, or maybe even HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) machines. What will make it? I don't know.
 
The Tuner cars are the main things I look forward to in GT, being a fan of import cars I watch alot of import DVD's and you would be amazed at the amount of times that GT is mentioned when they are showing big Tuner Companys like Top Secret, Mines etc. It just shows that the GT series is regarded by the actual import scene as something good. Tuner cars are great they take a great car to start with and then tweak and mod away until they have something unique. I saw a really nice Tommy Keiara(sp?) R34 Skyline and man did it look nice as they basically created a new model of Skyline as they removed most badges in relation to Nissan, GTR etc and replaced with Tommy K's logos etc. For that reason I like these tuner cars.
 
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