Demonstrating F1 Overtaking Techniques

[m7ammed]

its a nice video , thought I would share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koprlc1T4sw

 

[Touring Mars]

Fixed the link - you only need the video code between the Youtube tags, not the whole URL.

 

[m7ammed]

Fixed the link - you only need the video code between the Youtube tags, not the whole URL.

uhh thanx never posted anything from Youtube on here so didn't know , i've put the whole link there anyway

 

[Touring Mars]

Don't worry, I don't think I've met anyone on GTP yet who figured out how the YouTube tags work first time, me included!

Great video 👍!

 

[Appie]

Really nice video man.

 

[Metar]

Very interesting video.

Don't worry, I don't think I've met anyone on GTP yet who figured out how the YouTube tags work first time, me included!

True though, I never came to the UKGTP.

 

[superberkut]

Fixed the link - you only need the video code between the Youtube tags, not the whole URL.

That's good to know. I even have trouble with posting a video in a normal link sometimes.

Good video. Do GT4 racers respond to these maneuvers?

 

[Metar]

GT4 AI respond to nothing, they plow straight through. At the same time, human GT4 drivers don't need those techniques in the first place, seeing as the effects of decreased downforce aren't noticeable. Downforce has a minimal effect in terms of drag in GT4, and slipstreaming reduces it, without reducing the downforce, so you can overtake impossibly mid-corner.

[GP4 Fanboy Mode]
Now, in GP4, the answer is yes. Especially with the dirty-air tweak, one really has to think in order to overtake - try to close in on an opponent during a curve, and you'll have to lift off. But come close into a corner, you'll have to fight for the position, assuming you've got an equal part. Either take a different approach-line in an attempt to get-ahead-and-block (a technique they showed in the video), or try to get a smooth slipstream throughout the straight, then pull side-by-side and battle on the brakes. Nothing easy
[/GP4 Fanboy Mode]

 

[daan]

Can we get back to the F1 overtaking techniques please.

 

[superberkut]

Oh yes, why did Benetton start the trend with the B191 that rendered overtaking nonexistent in F1 in the 90s? Was it just a flaw in design, something overlooked, perhaps?

And: F1 overtaking is very intricate nowadays. I vaguely remember when racers just outaccelerated the other man, or gave him a 'slight nudge', but the contact part was more prominent in the 90s. It is remarkable; in the 50s and 60s, harrying the lead driver was enough to warrant a fault in the car, but the reliability of F1 cars today lead to more elaborate tricks in moving up on positions.

However, most of today's F1 cars are all equal in performance, with slight differences...

 

[Metar]

Tyrrell started the trend, with the Tyrrell 019's radical raised nosecone:

Benetton continued and developed the idea, continuing the wing below the nosecone as well:

And as with Renault and the Turbo cars, the inventor of the idea didn't get to enjoy it with a championship.

 

[daan]

Oh yes, why did Benetton start the trend with the B191 that rendered overtaking nonexistent in F1 in the 90s? Was it just a flaw in design, something overlooked, perhaps?

Why would Benetton, or Tyrrell, care if their wing design disrupted the air over cars that were following? If its the best idea for their car, then they're entitled to use it as long as its within the regulations.

I vaguely remember when racers just outaccelerated the other man,

F1 cars are too equal these days for that.

or gave him a 'slight nudge',

Not to be recommended in a fragile, open-wheeled F1 car.

It is remarkable; in the 50s and 60s, harrying the lead driver was enough to warrant a fault in the car,

Braking distances were longer, grip levels were much lower, it was easier to force someone into missing a gear etc. You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Metar]

Why would Benetton, or Tyrrell, care if their wing design disrupted the air over cars that were following? If its the best idea for their car, then they're entitled to use it as long as its within the regulations.

In theory, yes - it's probably one of the most perfect ideas in aerodynamics since ground-effects - same amount of drag, and incredibly more downforce all over the car. The only flaw is when you are chasing someone.

One thing remains - assuming other cars were still low-nose designs, this setup was still superior. Because low-nose designs still lost downforce while following - they just lost less, because they had less in the first place. The high-nose design wing loses more downforce because it has more - and is still superior to a regular-nose car even when following. The only problem is when the other guy has that high-nose, and is therefore just as fast when both have clean air. Because then you don't, and are handicapped.

F1 cars are too equal these days for that.

Still, happened to poor 'old Ricardo - twice!

 

[Small_Fryz]

The other vid, of inside Ricardos car you can clearly hear him lift half way down the striaght and wait for them to pass.

 

[superberkut]

Why would Benetton, or Tyrrell, care if their wing design disrupted the air over cars that were following? If its the best idea for their car, then they're entitled to use it as long as its within the regulations.


F1 cars are too equal these days for that.


Not to be recommended in a fragile, open-wheeled F1 car.


Braking distances were longer, grip levels were much lower, it was easier to force someone into missing a gear etc. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Now I see. I was only considering the pinnacles of automotive racing over a span of time, but I should have accounted for that.

That video had quite a cut. How long did Ricardo hold a lead over them?

 

[mipuumal]

Now I see. I was only considering the pinnacles of automotive racigng over a span of time, but I should have accounted for that.

That video had quite a cut. How long did Ricardo hold a lead over them?

The cut was just from the in-car camera of Häkkinen's McLaren to Zonta's BAR, the timeline was not altered. And Zonta was being lapped.