Devil May Cry 4 (PS3, PC, Xbox 360)

[Ryosuke_Gumna]

I'll post in the PS3 section so more people know about it.

http://ir.capcom.co.jp/news/html/070320.html

Devil May Cry 4 comfirmed to be multiplatform PC, PS3 & XBOX 360. This is great! Now I hope Final Fantasy will hit 360 too.

credit: Mr Deap (He told me to posted it because he got banned.

 

[LaBounti]

And why would we care(I sure don't)? We already know its coming out on PS3 If anything it should go to the 360 forum.

 

[DuckRacer]

Holy freaking crap. At first I thought it was going to be from some no-name site, but this is the real deal.

And why would we care(I sure don't)? We already know its coming out on PS3 If anything it should go to the 360 forum.

Agreed.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Like I've been saying for months, 1st party is what will decide the "winner". And right now, even as strong as MS is, I'm not sure if they can hold up to Sony's apparently killer attitude when it comes to 1st party. They've been much more...intense when it comes to getting out good 1st party software.

 

[DuckRacer]

Like I've been saying for months, exclusives is what will decide the "winner".

Fixed. If 3rd party doesn't matter, then Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Bioshock, Mass Effect, PGR4, etc won't make a difference. Which is untrue.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I'm confused! Why is this such a big deal? I read about it yesterday, and I didn't really care. I knew this was happening a while ago; just not confirmed.

The big news would be if MGS4 came out for PC and XBox360. If that were true, I would need to build an ultimate gaming PC.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Fixed. If 3rd party doesn't matter, then Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Bioshock, Mass Effect, PGR4, etc won't make a difference. Which is untrue.

No, it's absolutely not fixed Duck. YOu seem to NOT understand the industry once again. If a game is available on BOTH platforms then Exclusives DON'T matter. 3rd Party exclusives are MORE AND MORE rare as the days go by, becoming Multiplat releases. 1st party will ALWAYS be exclusive, and this gen, more than ever, will rely on that, since 3rd parties seem to port to both the 360 and PS3 very often.

 

[DuckRacer]

No, it's absolutely not fixed Duck. YOu seem to NOT understand the industry once again. If a game is available on BOTH platforms then Exclusives DON'T matter. 3rd Party exclusives are MORE AND MORE rare as the days go by, becoming Multiplat releases. 1st party will ALWAYS be exclusive, and this gen, more than ever, will rely on that, since 3rd parties seem to port to both the 360 and PS3 very often.

I already know that. But there's still many 3rd party exclusives out there, and you simply can't discount them. 1st party games are definitely more important than last-gen, but they're not everything.

 

[Robin]

Yet another poor effort buy Sony to keep 3rd party exclusives..... and a big one at that..... when are they going to stop doing this... you will be able to buy every 3rd party game thats on PS3 on 360 and people will tend to go for the cheaper console.....

Sort this out Sony! what are you going to loose next........ MGS4!!

Oh and too add.... yes this would be fine if the trend was going the other way..... like 360's exclusives, but its not, yes we will gets Saints Row but im talking bigger stuff!....... unfortunately this is not happening plus lots of 360 games are MS games studios releases..... arg!!!

Now we are going to get even more 360 fanboy bashing!

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Never mind, apparently my point is lost on you all, and you're more concerned with silly fanboy console wars than you are with the reality of the world.

If you seriously think this matters in any way shape or form, then you are in fact a victim of fanboy console wars, not the "real deal".

 

[LaBounti]

I'm glad Sony is doing nothing to keep 3rd party exclusives. This is a business and Sony is very much in dept, trying to hold on to an exclusive that was probably planed as multiplatform before the game was even anounced is very hard and expensive.

God of War 3 will own DMC3 imo.

I also agree with JR, Only fanboys will really feel the effect of news like this and Web publication LOVE to fuel the fire to get traffic going on their fourms thats spreads to places like this..

 

[Robin]

Never mind, apparently my point is lost on you all, and you're more concerned with silly fanboy console wars than you are with the reality of the world.

If you seriously think this matters in any way shape or form, then you are in fact a victim of fanboy console wars, not the "real deal".

But are you not concerned that the developers will develop the 360 version because its easier to do then port it to PS3 without taking advantage of the extra power which was meant to be the reasoning behind its pricing. You will end up with a PS3 which plays games the same if not worse than the 360 version, its not totally about fanboyism, its about getting what you pay for... I am buying a PS3 for its superiority in game quality... not for its games to look just like any other consoles (and cheaper ones at that) you would expect some added effort to get the most out of the system but that may now happen less and less.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

No, I'm not, because with time, that will not matter, and ports will become easier. You should be more concerned with your first party titles blowing everything else out of the water, since that's where nearly all of Sony's gaming budget is going, not nice royalties to 3rd party developers who could completely bomb a game in a given series (i.e. DMC2 was terrible, who's to say DMC4 wouldn't be the same?). Trying to secure a 3rd party titles with money is ridiculous since you have zero control over the quality of the title, and if it sucks and bombs, you're STILL out of your money.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Never mind, apparently my point is lost on you all, and you're more concerned with silly fanboy console wars than you are with the reality of the world.

But, fanboyism is NOW the reality of the (gaming) world. The third party developers have recognized the two sides. Sony fanboys and MS fanboys. It seems right now, you're either one or the other. I don't think it will be like this forever, but for now the 3rd parties have to deal with it and they're dealing with it in the only way they can.

If you seriously think this matters in any way shape or form, then you are in fact a victim of fanboy console wars, not the "real deal".

I'll direct this comment back to you. I think you don't realize Sony and the PS3 aren't the leader, and wont be for quite a while. I don't think it will stay that way, again, but the gamer makers are dealing with this situation they only way they can (release on both XBox360 and PS3 and perhaps the Wii).

 

[Robin]

No, I'm not, because with time, that will not matter, and ports will become easier.

I hope so, but they will still be PORTS! wheres the added graphical detail which has to be coded into the game, the extra features etc etc... now I not saying outright that this wont happen, but from what Ive seen so far porting is not going well... plus its all going one way!

You should be more concerned with your first party titles blowing everything else out of the water, since that's where nearly all of Sony's gaming budget is going, not nice royalties to 3rd party developers who could completely bomb a game in a given series

Killzone better be one hell of a game then! Fingers Crossed!

Trying to secure a 3rd party titles with money is ridiculous since you have zero control over the quality of the title, and if it sucks and bombs, you're STILL out of your money.

Whether its stupid or not this seems to be what Microsoft are doing constantly! They have bought soooo many games studios and put it under the MS studios name... Whether the games bomb or not is another matter but MS seems to not mind taking the risk.....

Maybe its better to not put all your eggs in one basket! Spread it around abit...

Robin

And and to add to Solid Lifters comment..... Fanboyish is mainly what these companies survive on and it is what steers the market accordingly... unfortunately this is leading to a 360/ps3 level playing field which means the magic is now gone!

 

[LaBounti]

Playstation Edge tools should boost the quality of PS3 games to the point were downgrading it to work on 360 would be out of the question. But right now this is what we will have to deal with.

The Getaway and Killzone 2 will be the first released games using PSE.

HOME is going to add a lot of value to the PS3 with strong developer support (that is) for an experience you wont be able to get anywhere else. I'm not talking about playing pool, or bowling in the main lobby. I'm talking about 3rd party developed places with their own games and content.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Whether its stupid or not this seems to be what Microsoft are doing constantly! They have bought soooo many games studios and put it under the MS studios name... Whether the games bomb or not is another matter but MS seems to not mind taking the risk.....

It's not just MS throwing money at them, but that is what they are doing. It's mostly about selling games and there just ain't enough numbers on the PS3 side to satisfy 3rd party developers.

And and to add to Solid Lifters comment..... Fanboyish is mainly what these companies survive on and it is what steers the market accordingly... unfortunately this is leading to a 360/ps3 level playing field which means the magic is now gone!

No, the developers never had to deal with "fanboyism" which I think you mean. It never existed to the degree it does now. It's a lot more mainstream and extreme. I think the developers now realize XBox360 owners just might never purchase a PS3, and the opposite is true, too.

 

[DuckRacer]

Whether its stupid or not this seems to be what Microsoft are doing constantly! They have bought soooo many games studios and put it under the MS studios name... Whether the games bomb or not is another matter but MS seems to not mind taking the risk.....

Actually, they haven't bought hordes of game studios... they just publish a lot of games.

Also, quit panicking like the sky is falling. Yes, many of the multiplatform games will be ports. Yes, they aren't as good as the 360 versions. If you feel like this is a big enough problem, buy a 360 or something.

Personally, I feel you just need to get over the fact that the PS3 isn't God's gift from heaven or something. Just become something doesn't have "PlayStation" on it doesn't mean it sucks. Yes, it's a good, fun system, even more so if you like Blu-ray movies. Yes, it has a lot of potential. Yes, it has many flaws. The PS3 has a lot more competition than it did last gen, and competition can only mean one thing: we get the benefits of it all.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Actually, they haven't bought hordes of game studios... they just publish a lot of games.

Also, quit panicking like the sky is falling. Yes, many of the multiplatform games will be ports. Yes, they aren't as good as the 360 versions. If you feel like this is a big enough problem, buy a 360 or something.

Personally, I feel you just need to get over the fact that the PS3 isn't God's gift from heaven or something. Just become something doesn't have "PlayStation" on it doesn't mean it sucks. Yes, it's a good, fun system, even more so if you like Blu-ray movies. Yes, it has a lot of potential. Yes, it has many flaws. The PS3 has a lot more competition than it did last gen, and competition can only mean one thing: we get the benefits of it all.

I think you're way off base, here. I HATED XBox games that were ported over from PS2 games. It sucked, but the solution was either don't purchase it, or get it for the PS2. I chose not to purchase the game more often than getting it for the PS2.

Same will go for the current situation. If I have to deal with XBox360 port-overs, I won't get the game. I have no choice, since I don't own a 360, and perhaps never will.

However, if the game is something I really, really want, like MGS4, Ace Combat, Resident Evil 5, etc, then I'll get the game, but wont be as happy with it, since the impact of the game would have been stunted due to being ported.

 

[LaBounti]

Sony created its own high competition with its high price and not so developer friendly design. But it will be an up hill struggle and if you ask me there are doing pretty damn well for a $600 system. If it were $300 I'd say it would be doing poorly at the moment.

 

[Solid Lifters]

If it were $300 I'd say it would be doing poorly at the moment.

I have no idea why you would say this.

Sony created its own high competition with its high price and not so developer friendly design. But it will be an up hill struggle and if you ask me there are doing pretty damn well for a $600 system.

No, it is developer friendly, it's just the developers are lazy. They wont take the extra time and effort to make the game "best it could be."

That's why what JR said was true. Sony HATE 3rd parties, therefor, wont spend a penny on them. Sony learned what they were like with the PS2. PS2 games could have been A LOT better than they actually were.

How many times have we heard Sony say, "Excuse me, developers? Uh... we wonder why the games look as bad as they do, and why you claim it's so difficult to develop for. We have tools for you to use. They're free! Here they are... I say, again, here they are... Hello? Hellll-oooooo!? Can anybody hear us? Hello!!!???" *taps microphone* "Is this damn thing on!?"

 

[DuckRacer]

I think you're way off base, here. I HATED XBox games that were ported over from PS2 games. It sucked, but the solution was either don't purchase it, or get it for the PS2. I chose not to purchase the game more often than getting it for the PS2.

Same will go for the current situation. If I have to deal with XBox360 port-overs, I won't get the game. I have no choice, since I don't own a 360, and perhaps never will.

However, if the game is something I really, really want, like MGS4, Ace Combat, Resident Evil 5, etc, then I'll get the game, but wont be as happy with it, since the impact of the game would have been stunted due to being ported.

Really? Personally, I'd rent it... but definitely not skip it altogether.

I have no idea why you would say this.

Because in February, the GameBoy Advance outsold the PS3 (which sold like 126,000 units). One of the biggest reasons for that (if not THE biggest) was the price. If the PS3 was $300, cheaper than the 360 with more features than it and better graphics compared to the Wii, and still sold the same amount, they'd be completely screwed.

No, it is developer friendly, it's just the developers are lazy. They wont take the extra time and effort to make the game "best it could be."

Partially true. Supposedly they have decent dev tools, but they're also working on a very complex system. What would you rather do: 1) Develop for the 360 that is rumored to have some of the best dev tools around, and do a port to the PS3, or 2) Work harder to appease a minority of the marketshare.

That's why what JR said was true. Sony HATE 3rd parties, therefor, wont spend a penny on them. Sony learned what they were like with the PS2.

Sony better be loving the third parties. After all, they're the reason why the PlayStation franchise has sold over 200,000,000 systems and bringing gaming mainstream, unlike anything before. You shaft them, and your system will become the next N64.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

I have no idea why you would say this.



No, it is developer friendly, it's just the developers are lazy. They wont take the extra time and effort to make the game "best it could be."

That's why what JR said was true. Sony HATE 3rd parties, therefor, wont spend a penny on them. Sony learned what they were like with the PS2. PS2 games could have been A LOT better than they actually were.

How many times have we heard Sony say, "Excuse me, developers? Uh... we wonder why the games look as bad as they do, and why you claim it's so difficult to develop for. We have tools for you to use. They're free! Here they are... I say, again, here they are... Hello? Hellll-oooooo!? Can anybody hear us? Hello!!!???" *taps microphone* "Is this damn thing on!?"

Evidence being:

God of War (1 and 2)
Gran Turismo
Shadow of the Colossus
Ico


Or check IGN's top 25 games of all time on PS2, 7 of which are first party.

It's no secret that many 1st party Sony titles LOOKED better than 3rd party games...the difficulty wasn't with the hardware, it was with the time vs money. Developers knew they could throw some trash together and sell it quickly, and not have to worry about anything else, the user base would sell copies like wild fire.

 

[Robin]

Also, quit panicking like the sky is falling. Yes, many of the multiplatform games will be ports. Yes, they aren't as good as the 360 versions. If you feel like this is a big enough problem, buy a 360 or something.

And here we have our problem...... tell that to Sony! and then their sky will be falling! Thats the exact sentence most buyers (people who are not loyal console fans) are saying to themselves right now... and boy do Sony need to do something!

No, the developers never had to deal with "fanboyism" which I think you mean. It never existed to the degree it does now. It's a lot more mainstream and extreme. I think the developers now realize XBox360 owners just might never purchase a PS3, and the opposite is true, too.

Yeah I think I meant that just worded it wrong, it is like midnight here! Yes, now the games market is cut throat and people will quickly pick the console to side with and stick to it... so dev's have to release multi platform because games no longer have the pulling power to totally convert someone over to another console overnight, especially at these prices... this is the only way of making money.

My sole concern now is quality, if the games use the added power of the PS3 effectively then I have to problem with it being on all platforms... Want I don't want (cos dev's are lazy and just wana make money) is do the 360 version... port it and you end up with a mess! WHERES THE CELL B ENGINE POWER!!!

 

[DuckRacer]

Or check IGN's top 25 games of all time on PS2, 7 of which are first party.

...And on that same list, there were 13 3rd Party exclusives. 5 were regular multiplatform games.

And that's just the Top 25. What if it was Top 50 or 100? The gap between first party and third party would widen.

My point is this: 1st parties are important, but so are 3rd parties. Discount them, and it could very well be Nintendo part deux.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Really? Personally, I'd rent it... but definitely not skip it altogether.

I never said I completely ignored the game; just not purchased it.

Because in February, the GameBoy Advance outsold the PS3 (which sold like 126,000 units). One of the biggest reasons for that (if not THE biggest) was the price. If the PS3 was $300, cheaper than the 360 with more features than it and better graphics compared to the Wii, and still sold the same amount, they'd be completely screwed.

This analogy doesn't hold water. If the PS3 was $300 cheaper, Sony would have sold three to five times as many. Remember, price is a purchase issue.

Partially true. Supposedly they have decent dev tools, but they're also working on a very complex system. What would you rather do: 1) Develop for the 360 that is rumored to have some of the best dev tools around, and do a port to the PS3, or 2) Work harder to appease a minority of the marketshare.

But, that's just it, they don't need to work harder; only smarter. But, it wont go as quickly. Time is money, which is the only thing they're concerned with.

Sony better be loving the third parties. After all, they're the reason why the PlayStation franchise has sold over 200,000,000 systems and bringing gaming mainstream, unlike anything before. You shaft them, and your system will become the next N64.

LOL! Sony isn't "shafting" anybody. It would be stupid to pay them to remain exclusive, is all.

My point is this: 1st parties are important, but so are 3rd parties. Discount them, and it could very well be Nintendo part deux.

Nobody is discounting them. Why do you feel it's so 'black and white' when the issue is clearly gray? Sony bribing developers to stay exclusive is not in their best interest. Developers delivering games for both systems is in their best interest.

See? 'Black + 'white = gray.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Also, quit panicking like the sky is falling. Yes, many of the multiplatform games will be ports. Yes, they aren't as good as the 360 versions. If you feel like this is a big enough problem, buy a 360 or something.

Besides the fact that not all ports from XB360 for the PS3 are not as good as the 360 version, and at least one actually looks better than the 360 version. You can just as easily switch it around. How are 8-49 GB games developed for the PS3 going to be once they are trimmed down and dumbed down, and converted to analog on the 10 million XB360 currently out there.

Following Duck's lead...

Personally, I feel you just need to get over the fact that the XB360 wasn't ready for primetime, rushed to market with a poorly designed architecture and missing key performance features, which is likely why most ports from the PS3 wont be as good as the PS3 versions. Just become something doesn't have "Xbox" on it doesn't mean it sucks. Yes, it's a good, cheap system, although not so much if you like Blu-ray movies. No, it doesn't have a lot of potential. Yes, it has many flaws. But at least Microsoft is releasing newer versions of the XB360 on a fairly regular basis.

First it was with better cooling systems, then a better DVD drive, now one with HDMI and a 120G HDD. If game developers have their way, soon Microsoft will have to release yet another version of the XB360 with support for games on high capacity blue laser discs. Of course, those wanting all these improvements also have to keep re-buying the XB360... quickly making it the most expensive console.

Of course Duck doesn't care about any of that as he only uses a 27" TV that doesn't even have a digital input, and he already stated he has no plans to get an HDTV with HDMI for at least the next five years.

So if you are like Duck, and can't take advantage of everything these new consoles have to offer, and feel no need to keep upgrading your XB360, then the current XB360 makes for a fine choice in consoles! 👍


One thing I do agree with Duck on, and have said it before, "competition can only mean one thing: we get the benefits of it all." For this reason I am all for multiplatform releases - as long as it means developers also tweak each version to take advantage of what each console is capable of doing. if they dumb them down, then I hope people vote with their dollar, and refuse to buy those versions.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I am definetly buying this for the 360 when it comes out. Smart move bringing it to the 360.

 

[.star.]

digging it up but didnt want to start a new topic. so who's got it? im on mission 4 so far and its pretty fun, not trying to do anything special atm just my first run thru the game so im taking my time running around lookin for things.

cant completely give my opinion on the game yet as im not done though

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I bought it yesterday for the 360 and was having a great time up until level 3. That part with the spiked ceiling where you have to warp all around that room got extremely frustrating. Actually there is another level where this warping didnt seem to work real well. Every time I fell down I had to fight all the enemies again, run all the way to the top, then try it all over again. After about 30 minutes of this I was about to bring the game back. Luckily I stuck with it and finished the level. Still very frustrating. The graphics are VERY impressive. Some of the best graphics I have seen on the 360. Right up there with GOW graphics. The gameplay is very smooth and its the most fun part of the game. I would say everyone should at least rent it. My opinion may change when I get further in the game but at this point rent it to see if you like it.